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May 17, 2017 00:32:22   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
rehess wrote:
Yes, my point was that a certain percentage of current users will never understand how to hold a long lens using the left hand while holding the body with the right hand; I don't know how large that group is, nor what their age distribution is, but there will be a market for DSLR's as long as they are buying bodies and long lenses.



And the thing is... when we had SLR's without motor drives, they were ALL small. With a big telephoto you HAD to know how to balance the lens with the left and shoot with the right... and MOST SLR's didn't have grips.

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May 17, 2017 00:41:10   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
Right but notice in your photos - the 1D has a vertical grip (on the bottom, for portrait orientation), the Sony does NOT, so that would have to be added on. Same goes for the Nikon 5D. My point is that even DSLRs, with weather sealing and all, can be or should be a lot smaller than they have been - Canikon likes to make big bulky DSLRs as a holdover from the film days and for appearances sake to the pros. Mirrorless performs better in terms of fps because there is no mirror flapping around. However, DSLR makers can make any mirrored DSLR a mirrorless by incorporating the AF sensors in the image sensor (as Sony and other mirrorless makers do) so you can have both a conventional SLR and mirrorless (Live View) in the same body - the best of both worlds. The reason I bring this up is I think, SIZE is not an issue with many pros. If anything that will sell them is IQ, fps, IBIS, less noise and vibration (quiet modes), and other factors, but NOT compactness. I don't think the later is a selling point for MOST pros.
Right but notice in your photos - the 1D has a ver... (show quote)

Maybe.

Let me add that even with the Vertical grip... or the smaller "pinkie grip" the A9 is STILL substantially smaller and lighter than the Dynamic Duo of the 1DXII and 5D.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1dX-1-700x289.jpg

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/VG-C3EM_front_ILCE-9_FE2470Z-1.jpg

BTW, if they take out the mirror from DSLR's because they use sensors with built on AF capability, then the resultant camera would no longer need to be as big or heavy as current DSLRs in fact, are.

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May 17, 2017 00:46:26   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
I meant D5 for Nikon of course, but I also wanted to add another question to D5/D4/D810 and 1D owners (pros?) - IF Canon and Nikon made their top of the line pro models as compact as their low end models (e.g., a D5 as small and light as a D3300/D3400) but with the same exact specs, capabilities and ruggedness, would you have still purchased that model for pro use or would you consider that model an "amateur" or "enthusiast" model?


^^^You can't put the mechanism needed for D5 performance in a D3300 sized camera. It just isn't possible.

But it isn't the SIZE of the camera that makes it a "professional" camera; it's the features and the performance.

That's why so many people are shooting the Olympus OM-D E-M1 mk I and II, as well as the Sony A7RII and Panasonic GH4/5. And given time, expect Fujifilm X cameras to play heavily into the mix too.

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May 17, 2017 11:42:07   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
CHOLLY wrote:
^^^You can't put the mechanism needed for D5 performance in a D3300 sized camera. It just isn't possible.

But it isn't the SIZE of the camera that makes it a "professional" camera; it's the features and the performance.

That's why so many people are shooting the Olympus OM-D E-M1 mk I and II, as well as the Sony A7RII and Panasonic GH4/5. And given time, expect Fujifilm X cameras to play heavily into the mix too.
^^^You can't put the mechanism needed for D5 perfo... (show quote)


My contention is that they can, but don't want to - no incentive. The only items that require bulk on the DSLR body are the mirror box/shutter, pentaprism/OVF,, lens mount (with AF motor), grip and battery....the first three items are all on the central portion of the body. The battery and grip can be integrated together as it is in most designs. If you take off the vertical grip in the D5 that shortens the body considerably. The areas formerly taken by the film cartridge/take up spool can be shortened and used for support electronics. Actually, my question was more of not if they CAN do but if they actually did - would it still be considered a pro camera?

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May 17, 2017 22:55:39   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Hey, that big VG hold a LARGE battery; yet another feature required for a camera to be considered "pro". Well; Sony has broken that wall down two with it's new Z battery.

But a fast moving mirror box and bright pentaprism and shutter mechanism good for 250-500,000 actuations HAS TO BE BIG. You can bet your lunch money that if it DIDN'T need to be, it wouldn't.

So mirrorless cameras have a HUGE advantage because they now can provide everything DSLRs can in a MUCH smaller, lighter, LESS expensive package.

The handwriting is on the wall.....

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May 21, 2017 17:44:00   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
jccash wrote:
Sounds good gessman and thanks for the input.


jccash, I'm over here a week later being nagged by something I said to you, LOL. I told you wrong about the adapter. I have a Viltrox adapter and I told you it was Valtrex which is a herpes medication. Maybe my mind made a confusing association when I realized the adapter wouldn't autofocus on the lens I most wanted it for and associated "getting screwed" and also getting herpes, adding insult to injury sort of thing. S'cuse me for that. I didn't mean to lead you astray on the adapter and thought I ought to set the record straight not wanting to cause several other people to need Valtrex.

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May 21, 2017 18:20:36   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
gessman wrote:
jccash, I'm over here a week later being nagged by something I said to you, LOL. I told you wrong about the adapter. I have a Viltrox adapter and I told you it was Valtrex which is a herpes medication. Maybe my mind made a confusing association when I realized the adapter wouldn't autofocus on the lens I most wanted it for and associated "getting screwed" and also getting herpes, adding insult to injury sort of thing. S'cuse me for that. I didn't mean to lead you astray on the adapter and thought I ought to set the record straight not wanting to cause several other people to need Valtrex.
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May 21, 2017 19:10:18   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
gessman wrote:
jccash, I'm over here a week later being nagged by something I said to you, LOL. I told you wrong about the adapter. I have a Viltrox adapter and I told you it was Valtrex which is a herpes medication. Maybe my mind made a confusing association when I realized the adapter wouldn't autofocus on the lens I most wanted it for and associated "getting screwed" and also getting herpes, adding insult to injury sort of thing. S'cuse me for that. I didn't mean to lead you astray on the adapter and thought I ought to set the record straight not wanting to cause several other people to need Valtrex.
jccash, I'm over here a week later being nagged by... (show quote)




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May 21, 2017 19:14:08   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
As I said all good.

Do you have a recommendation for a remote control to use with the Nikon D500?

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May 22, 2017 04:31:38   #
splatbass Loc: Honolulu
 
For me mirrorless (Sony) has already replaced DSLR (Nikon) - except for wildlife since they don't really make any super telephoto lenses yet for Sony E. I'm going on a trip to national parks in northern CA in a couple of weeks and all of the landscapes I shoot will be with the Sony A6000. Wildlife with Nikon, only because of the aforementioned telephoto issue.

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May 22, 2017 06:15:57   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
Sony offers the 100-400mm lens

http://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel100400gm

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May 22, 2017 10:36:07   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Yep.

AND you can buy the LA-EA3/4 and use DOZENS of Minolta/Sony/Sony G long lenses on any E mount. They go from 100mm up to 600mm (if you can afford the price of the 600 that is!) and a quick search of ebay shows multiple hundreds on sale at any one point in time.

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May 23, 2017 00:12:46   #
MW
 
In answer to the title of the post - yes. With the nuance that it will be a 90% replacement. After all 35mm rangefinders and TLRs in 120 still have a following despite the rise and fall of film-SLRs.

I really liked my Nikon 1 for a year or so but found Nikon had little interest in continuing to improve and develop the product line. Fuji or Sony offerings in APS-C are most like to be indicative of the future.

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May 23, 2017 00:22:13   #
splatbass Loc: Honolulu
 
jccash wrote:


True, but I already have a lot of money invested in Nikon mount telephotos, and I certainly don't have $2500 for this one. I'd love to have it though.

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May 23, 2017 01:07:51   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
^^^You can use your Nikkor glass on a Sony E mount:

http://briansmith.com/nikon-lens-adapters-sony-e-mount-cameras/

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