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May 6, 2017 16:28:59   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
JPL wrote:
Yes, I can agree that this is only a matter of time. I base my guess mostly on how fast Sony is hammering the market with new and improved cameras. In a short time period they have upgraded their line of full frame cameras with A7rII, A99II and now the A9 model. And with every new model they deliver cameras that are getting closer to dslr in usability and at very competitive prices. When they upgrade those cameras once more, probably within 2 years from now, they will catch up with dslr or surpass them in most or every aspect. Then the snowball will really get rolling. The only thing holding back Sony is the lens selection. I think they will need more time to improve the lens range than to surpass dslr camera bodies. That is why I think it will take up to 5 years to transfer to mirrorless. The lack of lenses for Sony cameras is buying Nikon and Canon some extra years to adopt to the mirrorless trend. I hope they use this time to do their job, else Sony will be the future dominating brand in the full frame and Aps-c markets.
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Then I think we are in agreement. Sony has little to lose by going all in on mirrorless, a limited lens ecosystem, and good DSLR product but small market share, so pushing the mirrorless market and their sensor business is a good strategy. Sony is doing both of those things well. Canon is certainly steadily building better sensors and although definitely behind Sony et al in the mirrorless space is slowly getting into the game. I don't see Canon as ignoring the mirrorless market so much as managing the transition since they have a lot to lose if they get it wrong. Asia is a stronger market for mirrorless than either Europe or the Americas, and Canon has released some mirrorless models in Asia that were not strongly marketed in the Americas which makes sense when you see the geographic data. Canon is also much stronger financially and more diversified than Nikon, which may have even more to lose if it doesn't manage the risks well. I have no doubt that Nikon is capable of building decent mirrorless cameras, but it may be good sense to hold off until the market has settled a little more.

Even Sony has financial problems to deal with, although they seem to be on a turnaround recently which is good, but digital still cameras are a very small part of their portfolio.

We live in interesting times, and timing is, as they say, everything.

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May 6, 2017 16:52:03   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
dhelix33 wrote:
It would take much to convince me that what I am seeing on a camera display screen, or an EVF (electronic view finder) in a mirrorless camera is exactly the WYSIWYG image I get through a OVF (optical view finder) in my DSLR cameras. Less convincing in respect to the image quality capability I have experienced with the mirrorless cameras I own. That being said, since the image in my DSLR optical view finders rely on the actual light passing through a camera rather than a digital representation, I will stick with my preferred single lens reflex digital camera design. Optical view finders provide me better clarity, better dynamic range and an instantaneous view of the actual subject being captured, as opposed to a potential signal delay with electronic view finder systems.
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AGAIN, let me say this; if you EVER get the opportunity to handle a Sony full-frame mirrorless camera, ESPECIALLY one of the second or third generation FF mirrorless cameras, you WILL be convinced that the excitement is both REAL and WARRANTED.

I no longer shoot OVF digital cameras because modern EVF's offer so much more information and flexibility. And in FACT, what you see... IS EXACTLY WHAT THE IMAGING SENSOR SEES, meaning WYSITRULYWYG!

The EVF's on YOUR mirrorless cameras are NOT the same as modern Sony/Olympus/Panasonic EVF's, which are 3 or 4 generations farther along developmentally and much more capable... so don't base your estimation of EVF capabilities completely on your experience.

Try one with an open mind. I wouldn't be surprised if YOU were surprised.

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May 6, 2017 16:58:01   #
BebuLamar
 
I don't like mirrorless and like SLR. With that said I think the mirrorless will replace the SLR.

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May 6, 2017 16:58:06   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
dhelix33 wrote:
I have taken a test drive with the Sony Alpha a9 and thought it handled itself well as I took it through the paces - I do like the camera. Would consider purchasing one if I could mount the thousands of $$ in Nikkor glass I own on that Sony a9. Also, that OLED Electronic Viewfinder is a stumbling block for me - It is impossible to convince me that this EVF (electronic view finder) on this mirrorless full frame camera is exactly the WYSIWYG image I get through OVF (optical view finder) on my DSLR cameras with my naked eye.
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Actually, what you see through an OVF is the view of a scene that STILL has to pass through to the imaging sensor.

With an EVF you see the color temperature, the exposure, and any of the filters or adjustments you make prior to exposure. That just is NOT the case with an OVF.

Don't misunderstand me; I know what you are saying. That by looking through an OVF, you are viewing the scene as it exists. And if that is important, then that's good. But in digital photography, the object is to capture that scene DIGITALLY, and that capture is much more accurate AND efficient if YOU can see IN ADVANCE what your efforts will yield. THAT'S what modern EVF's make possible.

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May 6, 2017 16:59:26   #
jim quist Loc: Missouri
 
This will be my next camera purchase along with a few lenses. So except for sports photography the answer is yes.
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May 6, 2017 17:48:36   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Actually, what you see through an OVF is the view of a scene that STILL has to pass through to the imaging sensor.

With an EVF you see the color temperature, the exposure, and any of the filters or adjustments you make prior to exposure. That just is NOT the case with an OVF.

Don't misunderstand me; I know what you are saying. That by looking through an OVF, you are viewing the scene as it exists. And if that is important, then that's good. But in digital photography, the object is to capture that scene DIGITALLY, and that capture is much more accurate AND efficient if YOU can see IN ADVANCE what your efforts will yield. THAT'S what modern EVF's make possible.
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I do not MISUNDERSTAND you. Let me make this entirely CLEAR to you. My PREFERENCE is to view and compose an image as SEEN with my naked EYE, not digitized in ADVANCE. The only time I want to see the digitized image is AFTER the optical mirror lifts and it is CAPTURED on the sensor.

No matter how many times you capitalize words in a thread response - this will remain my preference. Ultimately it's what one prefers to do as a photographer. Good day, and have fun shooting!

Sent from my iPhone.

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May 6, 2017 18:18:08   #
JPL
 
dhelix33 wrote:
It would take much to convince me that what I am seeing on a camera display screen, or an EVF (electronic view finder) in a mirrorless camera is exactly the WYSIWYG image I get through a OVF (optical view finder) in my DSLR cameras. Less convincing in respect to the image quality capability I have experienced with the mirrorless cameras I own. That being said, since the image in my DSLR optical view finders rely on the actual light passing through a camera rather than a digital representation, I will stick with my preferred single lens reflex digital camera design. Optical view finders provide me better clarity, better dynamic range and an instantaneous view of the actual subject being captured, as opposed to a potential signal delay with electronic view finder systems.
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You are absolutely right. When using a dslr camera you will clearly see the actual subject being captured. But it is in the electronic viewfinder of mirrorless camera that you get the WYSIWYG image, because the viewfinder is showing you what the camera sensor is seeing. That you miss in a dslr camera. What you see there does not at all have to be what the camera will capture, especially in terms of colors and dynamic range.

So the WYSIWYG point is actually one more reason to get a mirrorless camera and not a reason to continue using dslr.

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May 6, 2017 18:25:37   #
JPL
 


Are you really sure about this?? I have been looking into the new medium format cameras also and I am more into the Fujifilm GFX50s. Better price, more lenses and better reviews.

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May 6, 2017 18:36:18   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 


^^^Should be GREAT for studio work.

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May 6, 2017 18:38:15   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
JPL wrote:
You are absolutely right. When using a dslr camera you will clearly see the actual subject being captured. But it is in the electronic viewfinder of mirrorless camera that you get the WYSIWYG image, because the viewfinder is showing you what the camera sensor is seeing. That you miss in a dslr camera. What you see there does not at all have to be what the camera will capture, especially in terms of colors and dynamic range.

So the WYSIWYG point is actually one more reason to get a mirrorless camera and not a reason to continue using dslr.
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Yep.

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May 6, 2017 18:51:53   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
dhelix33 wrote:
I do not MISUNDERSTAND you. Let me make this entirely CLEAR to you. My PREFERENCE is to view and compose an image as SEEN with my naked EYE, not digitized in ADVANCE. The only time I want to see the digitized image is AFTER the optical mirror lifts and it is CAPTURED on the sensor.

No matter how many times you capitalize words in a thread response - this will remain my preference. Ultimately it's what one prefers to do as a photographer. Good day, and have fun shooting!

Sent from my iPhone.
I do not MISUNDERSTAND you. Let me make this entir... (show quote)


I understand your point.

Thing is, with modern EVF's... ESPECIALLY the one on the new A9... your view through that EVF is actually as good as or superior to what you get from a pentaprism or pentamirror OVF. The resolution, contrast, and coverage of the area you are imaging of the new EVF's is outstanding.

I know about personal preference, and that's fine. But when you can look through an EVF and see EXACTLY what you will be capturing, with an over-layed histogram, spirit level, indication of EV, and either Zebra or focus peaking... well; the EVF becomes an EXTREMELY powerful tool.

Did I mention you can shoot at ambient light levels that would NOT be possible with an OVF?

And with Eye Autofocus, you know EXACTLY when to press the shutter button, quickly and efficiently capturing your image without having to guess or press focus magnification buttons.

OVF's have their place... but EVF's are tools, just like your speed lights and tripods and light meters and memory cards. Items that help you do what you need to do for that check or for the joy of capturing that image.

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May 7, 2017 06:16:43   #
nicksr1125 Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
I agree with CHOLLY & dhelix33. I think the newer EVF FF bodies are very good. I test drove an A7rII & was impressed with the speed at which the view returns after pressing the shutter release. I have an HX400 bridge camera that produces very good images but, the EVF is very slow to return. I'll stick with my Alpha 850 until I can justify the price & Sony comes out with an EVF body that will accept an A mount lens without an adapter.

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May 7, 2017 06:18:46   #
ELNikkor
 
Great photos! Those little cameras are very capable of producing fine pictures for their specific market. As another poster mentioned, though, the "1 inch" is deceptive. The sensor dimensions are very tiny, and the 1 inch may refer to 1 square inch...

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May 7, 2017 06:48:56   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dhelix33 wrote:
I own Nikon 1 J1 and J5 mirrorless cameras. The cameras get limited use - such as when I capture images ‘on-the-fly’ at family gatherings or traveling - never used them for photography services provided to clients. I especially like these smaller designed Nikon mirrorless devices because they have the capability for superb image quality captures - and they are so light! In my humble opinion, I don’t believe mirrorless cameras are ‘the future’ of digital photography, as I have heard some people proclaim. I believe both the DSLR and Mirrorless camera designs are here to stay - and will continue to co-exist. I think this is similar to how laptops and desktops have continued to co-exist. There has been chatter of people wanting Nikon and Canon to design and release full frame mirrorless cameras – my question is - Why? I am quite sure the engineers at these shops can make a mirrorless full-frame camera by simply ditching the mirror, and in the case of Nikon retaining the F mount with compatibility to Nikkor lenses from the past half-century. What I don’t see a benefit of or redesigning a full frame DSLR to a Mirrorless design, other than providing a minuscule weight drop.

Have attached samples from my archive of Nikon 1 J1 and J5 images.

Cheers!
Greg
I own Nikon 1 J1 and J5 mirrorless cameras. The ca... (show quote)


Eventually, yes. When was the last time you saw a manufacturer advertising their line of TLR cameras? Mirrorless will continue to get better, and the appeal of the DSLR will fade.

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May 7, 2017 07:04:55   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Yes, Mirrorless will take over. Unless the mirrorless technology has some to be discovered diabolical limitation, they will keep getting better and better. Why? Because most R&D money is going there and the progress is making leaps. To the one individual that thinks it a fad like cuffs on pants, poppycock. The changes in DLSR are slowing while Mirrorless are excelling. In many cases they are as good or better today than the DLSR and I'm a DLSR user. I have friends that have moved over and see their photos and their sales are doing very well.

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