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May 2, 2017 06:29:27   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
One reason our health in this country is so bad is all the poisons put in our foods. I personally believe that they are one of the main the causes of diabetes. Other things just as bad or worse is glutin and all the GMO's that we are being fed without our knowledge. The problem seems to be getting worse and worse and yet we see our politicians not lifting a finger to stop it. One example I have noticed in the last few years (not really sure for how long, but know I never have seen it until recently) is a UFO growing in oranges. They are always down at the bottom of the orange opposite the stem. They are a hard object and the fruit around these things is soured. Seems recently, I keep getting these damn things more and more often, almost to the point that it is getting impossible to get an orange that does not have at least one of these.

Today it went to the next level, because before this these UFO's were the color of the fruit. An orange I had at dinner, had two or three of these things in it, ruining a large part of the orange and the biggest one instead of being orange was coming in with a brownish color to it. Fruit is one of the best foods we can eat, but it brings to question with these UFO's growing in the fruit at what point are we doing more harm to our bodies by eating it or having a diet free of fruit. Attached is a couple of quick hand held photos that I shot of it quickly ot post so everyone can see what I'm talking about.

Does this concern anyone else? If not, why? Americans need to start asking a lot of questions and demanding honest answers from the government as to all this foreign crap they are throwing at us to eat. It's getting almost impossible to get food as God gave it to us anymore unless you grow it yourself and have used seeds that you have cycled yourself since the 1970's or even earlier.
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GMO has been around for years - not a big concern, but a big topic for fear and rumors.

Yes, there is a lot of bad food being sold. By "bad," I mean containing pesticides and artificial ingredients.

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May 2, 2017 07:35:42   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
One of my favorite fruits growing up was red delicious apples, they were so sweet that I ate them all the time. I haven't found a good tasting red delicious apple in 10 years or so. As a matter of fact I haven't had a good apple of any variety worth buying. Don't know how they managed to do this but they did.

Rich

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May 2, 2017 07:41:51   #
alby Loc: very eastern pa.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
First of all, nobody deliberately puts poisons in our food, least of all farmers. Pesticides are indeed used on food crops but without them yields would drop and food would be significantly more expensive. And you would get more of those "unidentified fruit objects" in your oranges due to pest activity or environmental changes. Pesticides cannot legally be used indiscriminately, and cannot be used on crops that are not listed on the pesticide label. The EPA regulates those things, and one of the things that is taken into account is the residual pesticides on crops. (I recall seeing those orange things when I was a kid in the '40s. I don't believe the frequency of occurrence has increased).

Diabetes is not caused by pesticides. It is a result of overconsumption of sugar, which is put into everything these days. Our culture has come to think that things with sugar in them taste better.

Yes, there can be pesticide residues on food, but the action of a pesticide depends on the dosage, and pesticides cannot be used within a specified time period before harvest, so that the pesticide has time to degrade into a benign substance. So residues on food are extremely low as a general rule (at least on foods grown in the USA).
well said...BUT.. the regs and inspections are being rolled back and being eliminated much further as we speak (or read this)
I should also note that organic foods are not necessarily free of pesticides. Organic growers have a small set of pesticides that they are allowed to use. Most of those pesticides are chosen because they do minimal damage to the environment, to non-target insects (e.g. bees), and have a very low toxicity to mammals. But organic does not mean no pesticides.

One of the problems we see in agriculture is change. We have a global economy, so pests sometimes are transported when things are shipped (even non-food things being shipped). Non-native pests (both insects and plant diseases) are occurring frequently, causing farmers to search for new solutions to keep the pests from destroying the crops. 10 years ago we grew raspberries. They were a popular fruit. Around 2008, the Spotted Wing Drosophila, a native of Asia, showed up in California. By 2011 it had made its way to New England. Fruit flies have always laid eggs in cane fruits such as raspberries, but they were limited to overripe or damaged fruit. The Spotted Wing Drosophila can lay eggs in unripe fruit, so by the time the fruit is ripe it is full of larvae. The fruit are unsaleable that way. Some growers have responded by spraying their fruit with insecticides. You have to spray for the adults because the larvae are inside the fruit and an insecticide wouldn't get to them. This insect is not a problem in all areas, but entomologists have said that New England is the ideal climate for this pest. Consequently a local industry has been decimated.

Gluten is a natural component of many grains. It is not something that is being added to food. And it is not something that is in everything.

GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms) have a bad rap. Virtually all foods are genetically modified. Genetic modification has been practiced since the dawn of agriculture by crop selection and crossing of varieties. Many popular vegetables have been developed by breeding from original plants that either produced very little edible fruit or fruit that was almost inedible. The thing that gives GMOs a bad rap is the development of gene splicing by laboratory methods. This is not inherently bad. It is just a method that can do a more accurate placement of a gene within a plant compared to random cross-breeding efforts. People complain when a gene from a fish is inserted into a plant. This is not really as big a problem as it sounds like. For one thing, the plants are not put right into the food chain without evaluation of the results of the splice. And just because DNA is transferred from an animal to a plant, that is not necessarily in itself a problem. Something like 50% of DNA from humans is identical to DNA from bananas.

If you prefer to grow your own food, I encourage you to do so. I have found farming to be very educational. Very, very very educational.
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May 2, 2017 07:43:57   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
Charles 46277 wrote:


They say the pesticides are harmless to people...


They told the guys in Vietnam the same thing about Agent Orange. They are full of fertilizer.

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May 2, 2017 08:17:41   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
machia wrote:
My Uncle had a farm when I was a kid , 1958-1971 in South Jersey near Freehold . Everything was fresh . Apples , berries , corn , potatoes , tomatoes etc , all fresh , what incredible tastes . That was food . All 152 acres of it . In fact the soil was almost black and real sandy , called Freehold Loam . You could grow anything in it . I'll never forgot those tastes !
Some of the stuff out of the Supermarket has no real taste . And no one here can sell me on GMO's . I know what real food is supposed to taste like .😃
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Jersey tomatoes are the best. I wonder how many people would be affected by the low production of food produced from unaltered seeds vs how many would be affected from enhanced seeds.

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May 2, 2017 08:54:27   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Store bought produce is picked before it is ripe so as to withstand the travel time to get it to market. Locally grown produce from farmer stands is much better tasting as it is picked closer to being ripe. I buy my produce at local stands during the growing season & I have a small plot in my backyard as well.

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May 2, 2017 09:14:42   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
1. The newest pesticides are absorbed through the roots into the plant and incorporated into the entire plant. Yum. Over my 30-year career in medicine I have seen an increasing number of patients with peripheral neuropathy (numbness or painful stinging in the feet) who are NOT diabetic.. I blame this on pesticides, many of which disrupt the nervous system and all of which are "fat soluble" - they dissolve into body fat and stay there. The myelin cells that wrap around nerves to protect them are very fatty cells. No one has done any studies looking at how much pesticide is stored in the body fat of those with neuropathy versus those without. There was a small study out of Canada that suggests that those with Alzheimer's have a higher lifetime exposure to pesticides.

If this scares you, consider: pesticides stay in body fat. The only way they ever leave the body is in the fat component of breast milk. We have known this since studies made headlines in the 60's. Now we don't seem to care - but in one study in Pennsylvania NO breast milk tested would meet the USDA pesticide standards set for cows milk. Good luck, kid.

Speaking of kids - arsenic in apple juice? Wonder if that is related to autism and other problems. Kids get fat early because they are given WAY too much juice. Most of the "juice" sold for kids is really "juice drink", which means that it has at least 10% real juice - and either sugar water of apple juice making up the difference. The American Academy of Pediatrics advises no more than ONE serving of juice daily. Water and milk are emphasized.

But milk, of course, has more estrogen in it than ever because cows are kept pregnant and lactating longer than ever before - or so I have read.

2. About 85% of the antibiotics used in the US are used in animal feed. It helps weight gain by a small amount when you pack chickens, pigs, and cows into a small space. The result is huge piles of animal poop with antibiotics mixed in - in which bacteria thrive and develop resistance to the antibiotics. A study decades ago showed that 10% of pork samples in the grocery store (in Canada) were contaminated with MRSA (an antibiotic-resistant staph bacteria) and when they tested the pig farmers, 2/3 of them had these bacteria living in their nasal passages.

3. For decades fruits and vegetables have been harvested when unripe because they are harder and more easily handled. They can be stored longer under refrigeration, and then treated with ethylene gas to force ripening as they are shipped to the stores. This might explain weird findings in your oranges. Frozen fruits and vegetables - picked when ripe - are more nutritious than fresh.

4. Aquaculture produces a lot of fish to feed the world and has reduced the strain on natural fish stocks caused by over-fishing. Fish farmed in the US are generally much cleaner (fewer chemicals, cleaner water) than fish farmed in Asia. The most commonly farmed fish are tilapia, salmon, and shrimp.

5. No one is sure why we are getting fatter (and thus developing more diabetes). Even countries with many poor people like Mexico are having this problem. A lot of experts blame the emphasis on eating less fat in the diet that started back in the '60's. This resulted in an increased level of carbohydrates in the diet. Carbs are broken down into sugar in the gut. Sugar stimulates insulin which does two things: it allows the sugar to enter cells where it can be burned for energy - AND - it is a hormone that tells the body: "Hey - we've got FOOD - start making FAT!". It is a natural reaction that helped humans (and bears, etc.) prepare for the coming winter by storing body fat. It is not so helpful for us now...

6. If you don't like what is happening - vote with what you buy and what you eat. ASK at the restaurant if their tilapia is American sourced. Let your grocery store (and chain) know that you are not buying a particular product because it contains GMO's. Speak out! Will this work? I recall the family-owned dairy in Portland (Maine!) that was being sued by Monsanto because they were among the first to label their milk as coming from cows that had NOT been treated with BGH (bovine growth hormone). This family had already spent $40,000 defending their labeling. Monsanto argued in court that there was no proven problem with BGH). The dairy argued - "we never said there was - we are simply offering consumers a CHOICE". The USDA was helping Monsanto, of course. What brought this whole thing to a screaming halt? WALMART! WALMART, reading the writing on the wall, realized that consumers preferred milk from untreated cows and started selling milk that was labeled as coming from cows that had not had BGH treatment. That brought the whole thing to a close. Even Monsanto is not going to try to go up against Walmart. SO - do not underestimate the power of your voice when it comes to demanding better food.

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May 2, 2017 09:57:05   #
Oyens
 
Many years ago one of my history profs at the University of South Dakota made the comment if you want to read works of fiction read the "cause of death" on
death certificates prior to WWII, especially back into the 19th century.. People died of "the humors, vapors, consumption" and whatever. In many ways I believe the uptick of certain illnesses and diseases, is based on poor medical records and information from the past.

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May 2, 2017 10:09:35   #
Nikocarol Loc: NM & FL
 
When I speak to someone about this most people don't want to hear it. It will require change and as we know most people are lazy and comfortable with being sick. They rather go to a Dr who prescribes drugs rather than asking themselves what can do to heal myself in this amazing body we have.They coat the illness with drugs. They trust! The Dr wouldn't lie..when was the last time someone question a Dr about what are the negative effects of the drugs? They don't know..the sales rep told them what they do and that is all they need to hear. Please understand this is a general statement and there are amazing knowable Dr out there but I have yet to meet one. GMOs...Could they be the root of illness? How about the fertilizer that is systemic Glysophate? Better known as Round Up. Investigate, research, and stop being sheep being lead to the slaughter. It is in Vaccines too! They have proven that vaccines cause Autism but you wont here that..research until you find it. Don't get the Shingles shot unless you want to be sick with the effects of that vaccines. Flu shot? Ah, what flu version are they using? Last years? Common folks...Monsanto, CDC {most think it is a government branch..wrong it is an independent company with patents on roughly 30 vaccines, I think that is a conflict of interest}
This will explain GMOs

http://www.lahealthyliving.com/health/how-to-avoid-genetically-modified-foods/

http://thegoldenlightchannel.com/gmo-food-list-to-avoid-monsanto-companies-the-dangers-of-gmo-food/


http://www.businessinsider.com/infographic-what-you-should-know-about-food-labeling-2012-1

http://www.naturalnews.com/2016-12-14-the-7-most-dangerous-vaccines-injected-into-humans-and-exactly-why-they-cause-more-harm-than-good.html

Please remember that if something is GMO-free it will have a blue/green GMO-free verified on it. If it is not verified anybody can put anything on the label at this time. Sad, but true.

Another point of interest. There are more Lobbyists for the Pharmaceutical companies in Washington than any other lobbyist. Makes one wonder?

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May 2, 2017 10:10:36   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
For those who are concerned about their food I would recommend buying as much as possible locally grown. That gives you the opportunity to look at the farm and evaluate it for yourself. These days locally grown is a significant movement because it puts you close to your farmer. You can get answers right from the source. And of course you can grow your own. (It does take time and effort).

It is true that produce is harvested before peak ripeness. At peak ripeness produce tends to be softer than a bit earlier in the growing process, so it will not withstand shipping without significant loss of quality. In extreme cases, it's even hard to transport a ripe tomato from the field to the farm stand (500 ft away). We tried to grow Jet Star tomatoes for a couple years. That variety is popular with home gardeners because they like the taste. A homeowner can pick one or two tomatoes and carry them into the kitchen for a meal, but we cannot affort to carry tomatoes individually from the field to the stand, so we put maybe 20 lb of tomatoes in a box in the field and carry it that way. The Jet Star tomatoes are too soft to withstand that (unless picked before peak ripeness) and we would get a lot of cracking and bruising.

If you decide to grow your own food you should recognize that things get planted throughout the year. Most people plant everything in the spring. Something like lettuce will grow nicely in fairly cool weather (it doesn't like hot summer unless it gets plenty of water and even then it tends to bolt [go to seed] easily). We plant a new crop of lettuce every week so we have a continuous supply of fresh lettuce. A homeowner could probably get by with planting lettuce every other week. Our last seeding of lettuce is in mid August, and that lettuce is harvested around Thanksgiving. Mature lettuce will survive temperatures down to 25F, and some will go down to 15F (red lettuce works better than green lettuce in cold weather).

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May 2, 2017 10:16:13   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
G Brown wrote:
Unless you have Crones Disease ie bowel allergy to gluten there is nothing wrong with the natural protein in wheat flour. Without it your bread and cakes would be flat....Gluten free is an expensive fad.
Too many people people eat supermarket ready-meals. Read the label .....!
Biggest problem with food is the air miles they incur. Cheaper to grow in Africa !! Most countries still grow food BUT it is more expensive in the supermarket (oddly)....Check out local markets and buy the odd shaped ones that are offered in some retailers - another fad but they are usually locally grown.
No idea about UFO's in oranges....sometimes the stem end has a small mis shape. possibly due to lack of or too much rain at the start of growing. Could even be a genetic problem with growing single genus crops on a large scale. - Most small orchards would grow several varieties to spread out the harvest - but supermarkets just want one variety from the grower so that they can get them cheaper (our price today or we walk away and leave it to rot..that goes for veg too).
Support your local farmers and small restaurants where food is cooked to order not dug out of the freezer....better still cook it yourself. It is not rocket science!

keep healthy and eat lots of different foods. Variety in diet is the essence of good health.

Have fun
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May 2, 2017 10:18:35   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
From a strict point of view, Isn't any hybrid plant or animal technically genetically modified?

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May 2, 2017 10:27:55   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
T here have been GMOs since man started to farm. It was called cross breeding. Without GMO there would be no crops left. You see GMOs often stop the spread the plant diseases! The biggest GMO program is carried out by bees and other insects!

You people just don't know what you are talking about!

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May 2, 2017 10:37:23   #
Nikocarol Loc: NM & FL
 
Genetically modified foods

dna-strand-in-gmoIn genetic modification (or engineering) of food plants, scientists remove one or more genes from the DNA of another organism, such as a bacterium, virus, animal, or plant and “recombine” them into the DNA of the plant they want to alter. By adding these new genes, genetic engineers hope the plant will express the traits associated with the genes. For example, genetic engineers have transferred genes from a bacterium known as Bacillus thuringiensis or Bt into the DNA of corn. Bt genes express a protein that kills insects, and transferring the genes allows the corn to produce its own pesticide.

Genetic modification/engineering is a potentially dangerous technology

One of the main problems with genetic engineering is that the process of inserting genes into the DNA of a food plant is random; scientists have no idea where the genes go. This can disrupt the functioning of other genes and create novel proteins that have never been in the food supply and could create toxins and allergens in foods.
gmo-apple

Genetic modification is a radical technology

Supporters of genetic modification say that the technology is simply an extension of traditional plant breeding. The reality is that genetic engineering is radically different. Traditional plant breeders work with plants of the same or related species to create new plant varieties. Genetic engineers break down nature’s genetic barriers by allowing transfers of genes from bacteria, viruses, and even animals—with unforeseen consequences.

Genetic modification is based on an obsolete scientific theory

Genetic modification is based on a theory called the Central Dogma, which asserts that one gene will express one protein. However, scientists working with the United States National Human Genome Research Institute discovered that this wasn’t true, that genes operate in a complex network in ways that are not fully understood. This finding undermines the entire basis for genetic engineering.

What genetically modified crops are currently approved to be grown in the US?

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Corn
Soybeans
Cotton
Canola
Sugar beets
Alfalfa
Papaya
Yellow “crook neck” squash
Zucchini
“Arctic” apple
“Innate” potato
rBGH (Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone)

About 10% – 15% of cows in the US are injected with a genetically modified bovine growth hormone called rBGH (rBST). rBGH is banned in many countries due to negative health impacts on cows. In the US, major food retailers and restaurants such as Wal-Mart, Safeway, Starbucks, and McDonald’s only sell or serve rBGH-free milk.

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May 2, 2017 10:57:37   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
UFOs in or on food? UFO = unidentified flying object ?.

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