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May 1, 2017 04:16:44   #
whitewolfowner
 
One reason our health in this country is so bad is all the poisons put in our foods. I personally believe that they are one of the main the causes of diabetes. Other things just as bad or worse is glutin and all the GMO's that we are being fed without our knowledge. The problem seems to be getting worse and worse and yet we see our politicians not lifting a finger to stop it. One example I have noticed in the last few years (not really sure for how long, but know I never have seen it until recently) is a UFO growing in oranges. They are always down at the bottom of the orange opposite the stem. They are a hard object and the fruit around these things is soured. Seems recently, I keep getting these damn things more and more often, almost to the point that it is getting impossible to get an orange that does not have at least one of these.

Today it went to the next level, because before this these UFO's were the color of the fruit. An orange I had at dinner, had two or three of these things in it, ruining a large part of the orange and the biggest one instead of being orange was coming in with a brownish color to it. Fruit is one of the best foods we can eat, but it brings to question with these UFO's growing in the fruit at what point are we doing more harm to our bodies by eating it or having a diet free of fruit. Attached is a couple of quick hand held photos that I shot of it quickly ot post so everyone can see what I'm talking about.

Does this concern anyone else? If not, why? Americans need to start asking a lot of questions and demanding honest answers from the government as to all this foreign crap they are throwing at us to eat. It's getting almost impossible to get food as God gave it to us anymore unless you grow it yourself and have used seeds that you have cycled yourself since the 1970's or even earlier.


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May 1, 2017 05:43:08   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
One reason our health in this country is so bad is all the poisons put in our foods.


No it isn't.

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Other things just as bad or worse is glutin and all the GMO's that we are being fed without our knowledge.


No they aren't.

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May 1, 2017 05:55:31   #
Mark W Loc: Camden, Maine
 
Diabetes is not caused by poisons in foods.

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May 1, 2017 07:09:51   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
No, I am not concerned.

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May 1, 2017 08:09:06   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
50 years ago you could go into any lunch counter or diner in America and get a nice piece of home made pie, and today nobody under 60 has ever tasted that. When we had fried chicken at grandma's, we had to help her catch one or two of them first in the open yard, and it was served with lots of veggies from her garden (fresh or home canned). And she had wild blackberry jam--even tomato jam. Commercial and even industrial agriculture pushes speed of production and durability on the shelf rather than flavor or nutrition--an understandable fact. Trump has issued no executive orders about this, and I am not holding my breath.

Viewed honestly, all industrial mass production takes us away from the high quality of first rate craftsmanship to mediocrity, to the point we actually think best quality is utter uniformity. True, we can find niche markets of artisan crafts and foods, at a price, but mostly we are the bland leading the bland. Some high class restaurants have contracts with local farmers to produce their needs to order--bless them, but they are pricey.

I don't follow your argument about poison in products today, unless mediocrity is a poison. I do think that cancer (which was rare when I was young) arose as a major issue with the advent of three things: air pollution, radiation from nuclear testing (before President Kennedy got a test ban treaty), and pesticides. As these increased, so did cancer, and perhaps other diseases too. They say these are all right--but they also say we should freak out if we get them in our eyes.

I do raise a few veggies myself, in containers that need no toxic chemicals. I don't think I save any money on it, but a tomato still warm from the Sun is still a treat. For the rest, we add a lot of herbs and spices to get some flavor.

whitewolfowner wrote:
One reason our health in this country is so bad is all the poisons put in our foods. I personally believe that they are one of the main the causes of diabetes. Other things just as bad or worse is glutin and all the GMO's that we are being fed without our knowledge. The problem seems to be getting worse and worse and yet we see our politicians not lifting a finger to stop it. One example I have noticed in the last few years (not really sure for how long, but know I never have seen it until recently) is a UFO growing in oranges. They are always down at the bottom of the orange opposite the stem. They are a hard object and the fruit around these things is soured. Seems recently, I keep getting these damn things more and more often, almost to the point that it is getting impossible to get an orange that does not have at least one of these.

Today it went to the next level, because before this these UFO's were the color of the fruit. An orange I had at dinner, had two or three of these things in it, ruining a large part of the orange and the biggest one instead of being orange was coming in with a brownish color to it. Fruit is one of the best foods we can eat, but it brings to question with these UFO's growing in the fruit at what point are we doing more harm to our bodies by eating it or having a diet free of fruit. Attached is a couple of quick hand held photos that I shot of it quickly ot post so everyone can see what I'm talking about.

Does this concern anyone else? If not, why? Americans need to start asking a lot of questions and demanding honest answers from the government as to all this foreign crap they are throwing at us to eat. It's getting almost impossible to get food as God gave it to us anymore unless you grow it yourself and have used seeds that you have cycled yourself since the 1970's or even earlier.
One reason our health in this country is so bad is... (show quote)

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May 1, 2017 08:45:15   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
I bought a can of Progresso soup 3 months ago because I didn't have the time to make a pot of soup . After I ate the soup , I was washing out the can , only to read on the label ; This contains Gentically Modified ingredients .
I wrote a letter to Progresso about it , how I would like an explanation of what this exactly means and they basically told me this ;
Gentically Modified Foods are no different than cross-breeding foods in nature . I'd buy that , but after reading further about GMO's , I find that some contain pesticides inside the seed ! That does not occur in nature .
All we can do is to write to our representatives in Washington .
But I wonder too about who in Washington is in " Monsanto's pocket ".
Perhaps a call to local media outlets would do more . Eating poison can only do one thing , and that is to poison us all .

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May 1, 2017 09:14:24   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
"I find that some contain pesticides inside the seed ! That does not occur in nature ."

It does indeed occur in nature, if the parents were treated with pesticides, and that is universal agricultural practice. They say the pesticides are harmless to people...

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May 1, 2017 10:51:11   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
"I find that some contain pesticides inside the seed ! That does not occur in nature ."

It does indeed occur in nature, if the parents were treated with pesticides, and that is universal agricultural practice. They say the pesticides are harmless to people...

Your point is understood . But there is a process that impregnates seed with pesticides .

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May 1, 2017 13:33:47   #
ricardo7 Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
 
"All we can do is to write to our representatives in Washington ."

Good luck with that. The last place you're going to get help is from
the assholes in government. All that those fuckwads are interested
in is lining their pockets.

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May 1, 2017 16:07:57   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
Unless you have Crones Disease ie bowel allergy to gluten there is nothing wrong with the natural protein in wheat flour. Without it your bread and cakes would be flat....Gluten free is an expensive fad.
Too many people people eat supermarket ready-meals. Read the label .....!
Biggest problem with food is the air miles they incur. Cheaper to grow in Africa !! Most countries still grow food BUT it is more expensive in the supermarket (oddly)....Check out local markets and buy the odd shaped ones that are offered in some retailers - another fad but they are usually locally grown.
No idea about UFO's in oranges....sometimes the stem end has a small mis shape. possibly due to lack of or too much rain at the start of growing. Could even be a genetic problem with growing single genus crops on a large scale. - Most small orchards would grow several varieties to spread out the harvest - but supermarkets just want one variety from the grower so that they can get them cheaper (our price today or we walk away and leave it to rot..that goes for veg too).
Support your local farmers and small restaurants where food is cooked to order not dug out of the freezer....better still cook it yourself. It is not rocket science!

keep healthy and eat lots of different foods. Variety in diet is the essence of good health.

Have fun

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May 1, 2017 16:11:17   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
One reason our health in this country is so bad is all the poisons put in our foods. I personally believe that they are one of the main the causes of diabetes. Other things just as bad or worse is glutin and all the GMO's that we are being fed without our knowledge. The problem seems to be getting worse and worse and yet we see our politicians not lifting a finger to stop it. One example I have noticed in the last few years (not really sure for how long, but know I never have seen it until recently) is a UFO growing in oranges. They are always down at the bottom of the orange opposite the stem. They are a hard object and the fruit around these things is soured. Seems recently, I keep getting these damn things more and more often, almost to the point that it is getting impossible to get an orange that does not have at least one of these.

Today it went to the next level, because before this these UFO's were the color of the fruit. An orange I had at dinner, had two or three of these things in it, ruining a large part of the orange and the biggest one instead of being orange was coming in with a brownish color to it. Fruit is one of the best foods we can eat, but it brings to question with these UFO's growing in the fruit at what point are we doing more harm to our bodies by eating it or having a diet free of fruit. Attached is a couple of quick hand held photos that I shot of it quickly ot post so everyone can see what I'm talking about.

Does this concern anyone else? If not, why? Americans need to start asking a lot of questions and demanding honest answers from the government as to all this foreign crap they are throwing at us to eat. It's getting almost impossible to get food as God gave it to us anymore unless you grow it yourself and have used seeds that you have cycled yourself since the 1970's or even earlier.
One reason our health in this country is so bad is... (show quote)


First of all, nobody deliberately puts poisons in our food, least of all farmers. Pesticides are indeed used on food crops but without them yields would drop and food would be significantly more expensive. And you would get more of those "unidentified fruit objects" in your oranges due to pest activity or environmental changes. Pesticides cannot legally be used indiscriminately, and cannot be used on crops that are not listed on the pesticide label. The EPA regulates those things, and one of the things that is taken into account is the residual pesticides on crops. (I recall seeing those orange things when I was a kid in the '40s. I don't believe the frequency of occurrence has increased).

Diabetes is not caused by pesticides. It is a result of overconsumption of sugar, which is put into everything these days. Our culture has come to think that things with sugar in them taste better.

Yes, there can be pesticide residues on food, but the action of a pesticide depends on the dosage, and pesticides cannot be used within a specified time period before harvest, so that the pesticide has time to degrade into a benign substance. So residues on food are extremely low as a general rule (at least on foods grown in the USA).

I should also note that organic foods are not necessarily free of pesticides. Organic growers have a small set of pesticides that they are allowed to use. Most of those pesticides are chosen because they do minimal damage to the environment, to non-target insects (e.g. bees), and have a very low toxicity to mammals. But organic does not mean no pesticides.

One of the problems we see in agriculture is change. We have a global economy, so pests sometimes are transported when things are shipped (even non-food things being shipped). Non-native pests (both insects and plant diseases) are occurring frequently, causing farmers to search for new solutions to keep the pests from destroying the crops. 10 years ago we grew raspberries. They were a popular fruit. Around 2008, the Spotted Wing Drosophila, a native of Asia, showed up in California. By 2011 it had made its way to New England. Fruit flies have always laid eggs in cane fruits such as raspberries, but they were limited to overripe or damaged fruit. The Spotted Wing Drosophila can lay eggs in unripe fruit, so by the time the fruit is ripe it is full of larvae. The fruit are unsaleable that way. Some growers have responded by spraying their fruit with insecticides. You have to spray for the adults because the larvae are inside the fruit and an insecticide wouldn't get to them. This insect is not a problem in all areas, but entomologists have said that New England is the ideal climate for this pest. Consequently a local industry has been decimated.

Gluten is a natural component of many grains. It is not something that is being added to food. And it is not something that is in everything.

GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms) have a bad rap. Virtually all foods are genetically modified. Genetic modification has been practiced since the dawn of agriculture by crop selection and crossing of varieties. Many popular vegetables have been developed by breeding from original plants that either produced very little edible fruit or fruit that was almost inedible. The thing that gives GMOs a bad rap is the development of gene splicing by laboratory methods. This is not inherently bad. It is just a method that can do a more accurate placement of a gene within a plant compared to random cross-breeding efforts. People complain when a gene from a fish is inserted into a plant. This is not really as big a problem as it sounds like. For one thing, the plants are not put right into the food chain without evaluation of the results of the splice. And just because DNA is transferred from an animal to a plant, that is not necessarily in itself a problem. Something like 50% of DNA from humans is identical to DNA from bananas.

If you prefer to grow your own food, I encourage you to do so. I have found farming to be very educational. Very, very very educational.

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May 2, 2017 00:01:26   #
whitewolfowner
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
50 years ago you could go into any lunch counter or diner in America and get a nice piece of home made pie, and today nobody under 60 has ever tasted that. When we had fried chicken at grandma's, we had to help her catch one or two of them first in the open yard, and it was served with lots of veggies from her garden (fresh or home canned). And she had wild blackberry jam--even tomato jam. Commercial and even industrial agriculture pushes speed of production and durability on the shelf rather than flavor or nutrition--an understandable fact. Trump has issued no executive orders about this, and I am not holding my breath.

Viewed honestly, all industrial mass production takes us away from the high quality of first rate craftsmanship to mediocrity, to the point we actually think best quality is utter uniformity. True, we can find niche markets of artisan crafts and foods, at a price, but mostly we are the bland leading the bland. Some high class restaurants have contracts with local farmers to produce their needs to order--bless them, but they are pricey.

I don't follow your argument about poison in products today, unless mediocrity is a poison. I do think that cancer (which was rare when I was young) arose as a major issue with the advent of three things: air pollution, radiation from nuclear testing (before President Kennedy got a test ban treaty), and pesticides. As these increased, so did cancer, and perhaps other diseases too. They say these are all right--but they also say we should freak out if we get them in our eyes.

I do raise a few veggies myself, in containers that need no toxic chemicals. I don't think I save any money on it, but a tomato still warm from the Sun is still a treat. For the rest, we add a lot of herbs and spices to get some flavor.
50 years ago you could go into any lunch counter o... (show quote)






My mother grew up on a farm and I grew up on fresh fruit and veges from the farm. I know what real food tasted like. Your the first to understand what I wrote.

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May 2, 2017 00:02:48   #
whitewolfowner
 
machia wrote:
I bought a can of Progresso soup 3 months ago because I didn't have the time to make a pot of soup . After I ate the soup , I was washing out the can , only to read on the label ; This contains Gentically Modified ingredients .
I wrote a letter to Progresso about it , how I would like an explanation of what this exactly means and they basically told me this ;
Gentically Modified Foods are no different than cross-breeding foods in nature . I'd buy that , but after reading further about GMO's , I find that some contain pesticides inside the seed ! That does not occur in nature .
All we can do is to write to our representatives in Washington .
But I wonder too about who in Washington is in " Monsanto's pocket ".
Perhaps a call to local media outlets would do more . Eating poison can only do one thing , and that is to poison us all .
I bought a can of Progresso soup 3 months ago beca... (show quote)




Thank you, I see you are informed too.

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May 2, 2017 00:16:36   #
whitewolfowner
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
First of all, nobody deliberately puts poisons in our food, least of all farmers. Pesticides are indeed used on food crops but without them yields would drop and food would be significantly more expensive. And you would get more of those "unidentified fruit objects" in your oranges due to pest activity or environmental changes. Pesticides cannot legally be used indiscriminately, and cannot be used on crops that are not listed on the pesticide label. The EPA regulates those things, and one of the things that is taken into account is the residual pesticides on crops. (I recall seeing those orange things when I was a kid in the '40s. I don't believe the frequency of occurrence has increased).

Diabetes is not caused by pesticides. It is a result of overconsumption of sugar, which is put into everything these days. Our culture has come to think that things with sugar in them taste better.

Yes, there can be pesticide residues on food, but the action of a pesticide depends on the dosage, and pesticides cannot be used within a specified time period before harvest, so that the pesticide has time to degrade into a benign substance. So residues on food are extremely low as a general rule (at least on foods grown in the USA).

I should also note that organic foods are not necessarily free of pesticides. Organic growers have a small set of pesticides that they are allowed to use. Most of those pesticides are chosen because they do minimal damage to the environment, to non-target insects (e.g. bees), and have a very low toxicity to mammals. But organic does not mean no pesticides.

One of the problems we see in agriculture is change. We have a global economy, so pests sometimes are transported when things are shipped (even non-food things being shipped). Non-native pests (both insects and plant diseases) are occurring frequently, causing farmers to search for new solutions to keep the pests from destroying the crops. 10 years ago we grew raspberries. They were a popular fruit. Around 2008, the Spotted Wing Drosophila, a native of Asia, showed up in California. By 2011 it had made its way to New England. Fruit flies have always laid eggs in cane fruits such as raspberries, but they were limited to overripe or damaged fruit. The Spotted Wing Drosophila can lay eggs in unripe fruit, so by the time the fruit is ripe it is full of larvae. The fruit are unsaleable that way. Some growers have responded by spraying their fruit with insecticides. You have to spray for the adults because the larvae are inside the fruit and an insecticide wouldn't get to them. This insect is not a problem in all areas, but entomologists have said that New England is the ideal climate for this pest. Consequently a local industry has been decimated.

Gluten is a natural component of many grains. It is not something that is being added to food. And it is not something that is in everything.

GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms) have a bad rap. Virtually all foods are genetically modified. Genetic modification has been practiced since the dawn of agriculture by crop selection and crossing of varieties. Many popular vegetables have been developed by breeding from original plants that either produced very little edible fruit or fruit that was almost inedible. The thing that gives GMOs a bad rap is the development of gene splicing by laboratory methods. This is not inherently bad. It is just a method that can do a more accurate placement of a gene within a plant compared to random cross-breeding efforts. People complain when a gene from a fish is inserted into a plant. This is not really as big a problem as it sounds like. For one thing, the plants are not put right into the food chain without evaluation of the results of the splice. And just because DNA is transferred from an animal to a plant, that is not necessarily in itself a problem. Something like 50% of DNA from humans is identical to DNA from bananas.

If you prefer to grow your own food, I encourage you to do so. I have found farming to be very educational. Very, very very educational.
First of all, nobody deliberately puts poisons in ... (show quote)




I could not keep count of every time you tired to justify a point, it was based on assumptions; what makes you think those assumptions are not correct. All they have to do to create a "fluke" which turns out to be poisonous or a slow unhealthy death, one time out of any of the assumptions made and science has altered the natural selection and turned a food from providing the nutrition to our systems as is was meant to be received and our food turns into a slow painful death and a short life. Can you guess how benefits from this in the pocket book?

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May 2, 2017 03:01:24   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
My Uncle had a farm when I was a kid , 1958-1971 in South Jersey near Freehold . Everything was fresh . Apples , berries , corn , potatoes , tomatoes etc , all fresh , what incredible tastes . That was food . All 152 acres of it . In fact the soil was almost black and real sandy , called Freehold Loam . You could grow anything in it . I'll never forgot those tastes !
Some of the stuff out of the Supermarket has no real taste . And no one here can sell me on GMO's . I know what real food is supposed to taste like .😃

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