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Apr 2, 2017 05:44:29   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
To each his own. When I rarely shoot JPG I feel like I have made a snapshot and not a professional image.

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Apr 2, 2017 06:07:01   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
I shoot only raw. I've done tests on the capability of post adjustment with identical jpg and raw images, and there is no comparison. Also no worries about white balance. The bottom line is that if you can't tell the difference and don't think you'll ever need to, then you don't need to shoot raw.

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Apr 2, 2017 06:29:39   #
Billyspad Loc: The Philippines
 
If your happy with the results you get that is all that matters.

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Apr 2, 2017 06:37:10   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
viscountdriver wrote:
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article on Raw versus JPG. Then I took hundreds of pictures in both formats.I knew enthusiasts swear by RAW but I reached a conclusion. For the average amateur JPG Fine is what they should shoot.


True. I shoot raw - just because. As you've no doubt read, raw always requires processing, especially to color and focus. JPEG can produce excellent results if you have correct lighting and exposure.

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Apr 2, 2017 06:38:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
DavidPine wrote:
When I rarely shoot JPG I feel like I have made a snapshot and not a professional image.


I'm the same, but I think it's more psychological than actual. I'm not sure many of my results are professional quality, anyway. Fortunately, I don't rely on photography to pay the bills.

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Apr 2, 2017 08:08:22   #
StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada
 
viscountdriver wrote:
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article on Raw versus JPG. Then I took hundreds of pictures in both formats.I knew enthusiasts swear by RAW but I reached a conclusion. For the average amateur JPG Fine is what they should shoot.I have Corel Paint Brush Pro and this gives me tremendous opportunity to manipulate my shots and the average photographer would not be skill full enough to do the same in RAW. I don't need telling all the advantages of RAW and if I were a professional or a semi-professional I would use it.
I know a lot of people do not rate Ken Rockwell but he has the same conclusion.
Moden programmes made by Adobe,Serif and Corel are so good that is all the average shooter needs.
Finally,of course I can get more on my memory card as Raw does use a lot of space.
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article... (show quote)


In the last few weeks I have read numerous article on Raw versus JPG. Then I took hundreds of pictures in both formats.I knew enthusiasts swear by RAW but I reached a conclusion. For the average amateur JPG Fine is what they should shoot
I can get more on my memory card as Raw does use a lot of space.

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Hi,

The reason "enthusiasts swear by RAW" is that JPG are 8 bit files while RAW is 14,16 or more bits.

If the original photo is good, then the JPG from the camera is all one needs. The RAW file has more information at both the light and dark ends of the scale so that in many cases, a blown highlight, such as the sky, can be recovered as can something lost in the shadows.
With RAW it is simple to correct 'White Balance'. In any editing there is more information in the RAW file and this will give a clearer and sharper final image.

For those who prefer to use JPG - when editing a JPG file, due to working with a compressed image, there is always a loss of information - and more JPG artifacts are added as the new JPG is created. This is why it is wise to keep the original JPG from the camera and edit a copy so that if your initial editing is not what you want, you can start again with the original.

Another point to consider, the camera can be set to create Basic, Normal or Fine JPG files. This is how the file is compressed, NOT the number of bits. For the best photo's use the FINE setting.

Personally, I take both JPG 'fine' and RAW '16 bit' so that I have the choice.

StanRP

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Apr 2, 2017 08:42:38   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
StanRP wrote:
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article on Raw versus JPG. Then I took hundreds of pictures in both formats.I knew enthusiasts swear by RAW but I reached a conclusion. For the average amateur JPG Fine is what they should shoot
I can get more on my memory card as Raw does use a lot of space.

****************

Hi,

The reason "enthusiasts swear by RAW" is that JPG are 8 bit files while RAW is 14,16 or more bits.

If the original photo is good, then the JPG from the camera is all one needs. The RAW file has more information at both the light and dark ends of the scale so that in many cases, a blown highlight, such as the sky, can be recovered as can something lost in the shadows.
With RAW it is simple to correct 'White Balance'. In any editing there is more information in the RAW file and this will give a clearer and sharper final image.

For those who prefer to use JPG - when editing a JPG file, due to working with a compressed image, there is always a loss of information - and more JPG artifacts are added as the new JPG is created. This is why it is wise to keep the original JPG from the camera and edit a copy so that if your initial editing is not what you want, you can start again with the original.

Another point to consider, the camera can be set to create Basic, Normal or Fine JPG files. This is how the file is compressed, NOT the number of bits. For the best photo's use the FINE setting.

Personally, I take both JPG 'fine' and RAW '16 bit' so that I have the choice.

StanRP
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article... (show quote)


All my cameras are set to jpg fine.

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Apr 2, 2017 08:43:41   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
DavidPine wrote:
To each his own. When I rarely shoot JPG I feel like I have made a snapshot and not a professional image.


Balogna.

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Apr 2, 2017 08:53:57   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
joer wrote:


I shoot RAW almost all the time because I'm a narcissist and think I can do a better job.


This is the REAL reason people shoot RAW !

- and because it has been rammed down their throat by every web site/blog, magazine and book articles so these people can have a job and make money ......and the hardware/software/memory manufacturers can sell more.....

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Apr 2, 2017 08:56:36   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
DavidPine wrote:
To each his own. When I rarely shoot JPG I feel like I have made a snapshot and not a professional image.


LOL

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Apr 2, 2017 08:58:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
viscountdriver wrote:
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article on Raw versus JPG. Then I took hundreds of pictures in both formats.I knew enthusiasts swear by RAW but I reached a conclusion. For the average amateur JPG Fine is what they should shoot.I have Corel Paint Brush Pro and this gives me tremendous opportunity to manipulate my shots and the average photographer would not be skill full enough to do the same in RAW. I don't need telling all the advantages of RAW and if I were a professional or a semi-professional I would use it.
I know a lot of people do not rate Ken Rockwell but he has the same conclusion.
Moden programmes made by Adobe,Serif and Corel are so good that is all the average shooter needs.
Finally,of course I can get more on my memory card as Raw does use a lot of space.
In the last few weeks I have read numerous article... (show quote)


Raw vs JPEG is like Mac vs. Windows or any yin vs. yang you can imagine... some folks are fanatics about one or the other.

The truth? They're both good tools. I use both, for VERY different reasons. Your conclusion is reasonable for many.

This thread will be great "click bait" for Google ads. It'll probably hit 10-12 pages!

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Apr 2, 2017 09:06:30   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
If "Average" is where you set the bar then that is fine...a proclamation rationalizing a short cut or easier way to possess your work is your personal decision...

The UHH is a professional interaction and accessible to any skill level. Obviously your post is not targeted for any one with any processing knowledge or skill.

I think you would have been better off addressing the subject as an alternative rather than a replacement for the lesser skilled.

You seem to be advising a conclusion a bit early in the learning curve...

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Apr 2, 2017 09:07:55   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
imagemeister wrote:
This is the REAL reason people shoot RAW !

- and because it has been rammed down their throat by every web site/blog, magazine and book articles so these people can have a job and make money ......and the hardware/software/memory manufacturers can sell more.....



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Apr 2, 2017 09:09:41   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Gene51 wrote:
Five years from now you may find yourself coming to the following conclusions:

Raw is easier and faster to edit, requiring only modest skills.

JPEG is convenient, but results can vary widely, and they are harder to edit.

You can shoot Jpeg and get most of the tonal range you saw, if you are lucky, but you can be much more precise with raw, and you'll be able to take better advantage of your camera's full dynamic range.

Raw records more fine detail.

When you have to make broad adjustments, raw files are more "pliable."

An edited raw file is essentially incomplete - you still need a pixel editor to finish the majority of images.

In high contrast situations, settings that can produce an ok Jpeg will produce a similarly mediocre raw file. But properly exposing for the highlights, often resulting in darker looking images out of the camera, can produce stunningly beautiful images, that will always look better than the out of camera jpegs.

There is no real difference between an amateur and a pro with respect to image quality. Each is capable of both. The better distinction to make is between someone who takes his/her art seriously and a hack. Those who care and seek to make the best images they can will take the time to fully exploit the capabilites of their camera, and their images reflect the effort. This totally applies to both amateurs and pros alike.
Five years from now you may find yourself coming t... (show quote)


Once again, Gene nails it. A few more points. At least for Canon, the appearance of the raw depends upon the image settings in the camera. Developing raw and jpg are absolutely the same except the former gives a lot more latitude and detail. You can save a severely underexposed raw but not a jpg. Gene says this in another way.

If you simply want pictures to email or upload, you will do just fine with a smart phone and save yourself a lot of money and back pain.

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Apr 2, 2017 09:11:24   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
kymarto wrote:
I shoot only raw. I've done tests on the capability of post adjustment with identical jpg and raw images, and there is no comparison. Also no worries about white balance. The bottom line is that if you can't tell the difference and don't think you'll ever need to, then you don't need to shoot raw.


I agree.

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