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Mar 29, 2017 08:26:36   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
MikieLBS wrote:
[ ... ]So, my question is "Should I use the cleap Vivatar or would the overall quality be better without it?".

How about just taking a picture with and without the filter, then compare the images. That should be an easy way for you to decided.

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Mar 29, 2017 09:08:06   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Cheap polarizing filters do not work as well as the expensive ones. You can get by using a mid-range price filter. The quality of coatings on the filter, I have been told is the difference in quality. I am one who owns a cheap Tiffen filter. $15.00. I Bought it from B&H. It works OK for me. For now. My next one may be a Breakthrough, or a better Tiffen.

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Mar 29, 2017 09:41:14   #
CMH
 
1. I agree with Bob. Filters are part of the optical system. Why buy an expensive lens and then stick a cheapo filter in front. Hence my stock of B+W filters.
2. Within reason, good equipment is a lot cheaper than the cost of making the trip again to get pictures done the right way. I came to that conclusion years ago in the film age when shooting another roll was a lot less expensive than getting back to Yosemite.
3. Having good equipment means any failures are your fault. As the old cross country ski coach said, "Has not to do mit de vax. Has to do mit the technique." Only you can judge whether you need an equipment excuse.

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Mar 29, 2017 10:09:33   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
TriX wrote:
Why not use the appropriate adapter ring and move it to the other lens when needed, or is the diameter of your B&W too small for the 28-300?


Great suggestion.

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Mar 29, 2017 10:13:17   #
MikieLBS Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
aflundi wrote:
How about just taking a picture with and without the filter, then compare the images. That should be an easy way for you to decided.


I'm waiting for it to stop raining and the sun to pop out. I have a pond nearby for some test shots.

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Mar 29, 2017 10:18:41   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I use my pricey Marumi CPLs only when I want a polarizer. I use Xume magnetic adapters. Cheap might be okay, but probably not.

http://www.lenstip.com/index.php?art=139
http://www.lenstip.com/139.25-article-Polarizing_filters_test_2015_Results_and_summary.html


The Marumi's are very good and much cheaper than the high end, Hoyas, B+W's, etc.

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Mar 29, 2017 10:18:43   #
MikieLBS Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
CMH wrote:
1. I agree with Bob. Filters are part of the optical system. Why buy an expensive lens and then stick a cheapo filter in front. Hence my stock of B+W filters.
2. Within reason, good equipment is a lot cheaper than the cost of making the trip again to get pictures done the right way. I came to that conclusion years ago in the film age when shooting another roll was a lot less expensive than getting back to Yosemite.
3. Having good equipment means any failures are your fault. As the old cross country ski coach said, "Has not to do mit de vax. Has to do mit the technique." Only you can judge whether you need an equipment excuse.
1. I agree with Bob. Filters are part of the opti... (show quote)


Good advice. I make enough mistakes and don't need the added question if I cause it or the cheap equipment.

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Mar 29, 2017 10:19:36   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Great suggestion.


Using a 77-95mm adapter ring will be somewhat unwieldy - and no hood possible either - unless you buy a 95mm round metal and screw it into the polarizer ?? .....

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Mar 29, 2017 11:22:18   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
MikieLBS wrote:
...."Should I use the cheap Vivitar or would the overall quality be better without it?".


Use the filter.... You probably are seeing more image quality loss due to the "do-it-all" 28-300mm zoom lens, than you would to a lower quality C-Pol under most conditions.

Since it's probably an uncoated or single coated filter, be sure to use a lens hood. That will help.

But a high quality, multi-coated 77mm C-Pol isn't necessarily all that expensive, especially since you shouldn't need a pricier "slim" filter for that lens...

$73... B+W MRC C-Pol (8-layer coatings)
$79... Formatt Hitech Firecrest (slim)
$86... B+W F-Pro HT Kaesemann (16-layer Nano coatings)
$98... B+W XS-Pro HT Kaesemann (slim, 16-layer)
$99... Breakthrough X2
$129... Nikon C-Pol II
$135... Tiffen Digital HT Multi-Coated
$140... Marumi EXUS (slim)
$150... Hoya HD2 (8-layer coatings)
$154... Sigma WR (water repellent)
$156... Hoya EVO Antistatic
$200... Hoya HD3 (16-layer Nano coatings)
$200... Heliopan SH-PMC
$204... Rodenstock HR Digital
$210... Singh-Ray LB Neutral
$280... Heliopan High Transmissive

Kiron Kid wrote:
The Marumi's are very good and much cheaper than the high end, Hoyas, B+W's, etc.


No, they aren't cheaper. See above (current prices at B&H Photo in NYC). B+W, Breakthrough and Formatt/Hitech are all pretty equal to Marumi and cost considerably less.

Same with Hoya... they are also among the more expensive, for filters of equal quality. While Marumi only makes one grade of filter, Hoya makes about half a dozen. Some of Hoya's lower grade C-Pol are cheaper than B+W, Breakthrough and Formatt/Hitech. B+W also makes some lower price, single-coated or uncoated filters that use aluminum frames instead of brass.

TriX wrote:
Why not use the appropriate adapter ring and move it to the other lens when needed, or is the diameter of your B&W too small for the 28-300?


The Nikkor 28-300mm uses 77mm filters, while the 200-500mm uses 95mm... using the 95mm filter with a step ring would be very oversize on the smaller lens.

The main reason to not use a step ring is because you typically cannot use a lens hood when the lens is fitted with an oversize filter, and the lens hood is typically more important than any filter, protecting the lens from oblique light, as well as from bumps and hard knocks.

imagemeister wrote:
Using a 77-95mm adapter ring will be somewhat unwieldy - and no hood possible either - unless you buy a 95mm round metal and screw it into the polarizer ?? .....


Agreed... And good luck finding a screw-in hood that's a very good match to a 28-300mm lens. It's not difficult to find a nice deep hood for a telephoto-telephoto zoom or shallow one to work with a wide-to-wide zoom or a pretty well matched one for a prime lens. But for lenses that are wide-to-normal-to-telephoto... it can be hard to find something that will work well.

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Mar 29, 2017 11:50:44   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
10MPlayer wrote:
I found out the hard way cheap is cheap. I was shooting pictures of sea birds flying overhead and found in certain light there was a mysterious circle in them. It was in the deep blue of the sky and appeared as a lighter area that took up about 75% of the area. I took them to an instructor at the local Learning Exchange. First thing he asked was did I use a cheap filter. Of course I just I just posted on another thread telling the guy how I bought cheap off brand batteries and had a great experience with them. As someone said above, it's part of the optics system. Go for the best you can afford.
I found out the hard way cheap is cheap. I was sho... (show quote)


Yes. 3rd party batteries can be good (Wasabi for example) or mediocre (Vivitar for example) Filters also. Hoya Pro1 filters are every bit as good as B+W, but also cost more than the low-end filters.

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Mar 29, 2017 14:20:33   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 


You get what you pay for does not always hold... "The Hoya Fusion Antistatic, costing 225 PLN in the moment of publication, got a result higher than 3. It won in both overall and econo rankings. Such a success means it is a really good filter and you can find devices of similar quality which cost much more." This filter is mid range in price and about as good as it gets. Why pay more. Read Jerry's second reference.
http://www.lenstip.com/139.25-article-Polarizing_filters_test_2015_Results_and_summary.html

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Mar 29, 2017 14:51:49   #
MikieLBS Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
imagemeister wrote:
Using a 77-95mm adapter ring will be somewhat unwieldy - and no hood possible either - unless you buy a 95mm round metal and screw it into the polarizer ?? .....


Thanks, I thought of that but went ahead and ordered an adapter ring. I can throw it on for a few shots, pull the filter off and take a few more normally with the hood. I'm sure I'll still get at least a few keepers and it will be another learning experience. I don't think I'll be taking that many photos with that lens anyway

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Mar 29, 2017 17:00:12   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
I wouldn't use a cheap filter. Another thing I have found (maybe it's my fault using the wrong camera setting) but when using a CPL on my 70-300 at airshows it seemed that it lowered the amount of light into the lens enough to affect the focus and it would continue to hunt, losing shots of near sonic high-speed fly-bys. It worked better to take off the CPL and adjust in PSE afterwards. The CPL I currently use was rated among the best on Lenstip.com is a 62mm Marumi DHG (Digital High Grade) Super PL.D. I think I paid about $70 for it. When used properly it does a fantastic job. I didn't see that particular filter on the current website during a search, unless it just had a different case look or revised name. I bought mine a few years ago.

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Mar 29, 2017 18:39:09   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
planepics wrote:
I wouldn't use a cheap filter. Another thing I have found (maybe it's my fault using the wrong camera setting) but when using a CPL on my 70-300 at airshows it seemed that it lowered the amount of light into the lens enough to affect the focus and it would continue to hunt, losing shots of near sonic high-speed fly-bys. It worked better to take off the CPL and adjust in PSE afterwards. The CPL I currently use was rated among the best on Lenstip.com is a 62mm Marumi DHG (Digital High Grade) Super PL.D. I think I paid about $70 for it. When used properly it does a fantastic job. I didn't see that particular filter on the current website during a search, unless it just had a different case look or revised name. I bought mine a few years ago.
I wouldn't use a cheap filter. Another thing I ha... (show quote)


Yes, critical AF with a CPL should be a definite concern ! Turns your 5.6 lens into f9-11.

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Mar 30, 2017 09:26:26   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
A 300 f/2.8 is on my wish list :)

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