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Mar 27, 2017 11:33:22   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
moonhawk wrote:
Every little bit helps, when you don't use a tripod. One of the beautiful things for me is how many times I don't need to carry one with the great advances in technology we enjoy.


Those that don't shoot with the Pen-F, EM10ii, EM5ii, EM1, or the EM1ii won't understand how good IS can be...but for those of us that do we just smile all day long.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:12:51   #
lwiley Loc: Los Banos, CA, USA
 
If I'm not mistaken IS (image stabilization) is a product of the camera image sensor diodes software not the lense. I do not remember IS ever being part the camera systems in analog cameras.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:17:54   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
Oh, my Nikons are no slouch--the 200-500 has excellent VR. But, yeah, the E-M1 mkII rules.

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Mar 27, 2017 12:25:19   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
lwiley wrote:
If I'm not mistaken IS (image stabilization) is a product of the camera image sensor diodes software not the lense. I do not remember IS ever being part the camera systems in analog cameras.

There are gyro stabilized platforms and gyro controlled platforms for analogue gear but they are rare.
Current stabilization occurs in lens, in body, or sometimes both and
effects anything from 1 axis to 5 axis of rotation.
Stabilization by software manipulation of the sensor data is rare but with the interest in
"in camera stacking" it is likely to become more available.

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Mar 27, 2017 14:14:00   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Marionsho wrote:
How do they (the lens makes) determine how many stops the IS they have incorporated into their lens is good for?
Do they have lots of people take pictures, with and without, the aid of IS, then average out the results.
What if one, or more, of the photographers has the ability, like our own SS, to turn off his/her pacemaker, as to not allow his own heartbeat vibrations to interfere with his/her rocksteady grip?
In a recent post, one Hog claimed he could handhold 1/4 sec. exposures!
Do you think they throw out the best and the worst? As to not skew the results?
Inquiring minds want to know.
How do they (the lens makes) determine how many st... (show quote)


Ask Google or Siri. Maybe they know exactly how they do it. I'm sure it's done in a lab though. They can't just make shit up.

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Mar 27, 2017 14:19:54   #
dmsM43
 
I remember seeing a test of IS in dpreview. I believe that they had several people try handheld shots at different focal lengths, and then averaged the results. With my Olympus E-M1 which has IBIS, I've been able to get good results handheld with my 7-14mm Panasonic wide angle at 1 second set at 7mm. You can handhold longer with wide angle lenses than with telephotos. My best result with the E-M1 with a 400mm handheld was 1/15 second, which isn't bad for an old guy at 70+. Bear in mind that these are not consistent results, usually I take two or three shots to get one that is sharp.

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Mar 27, 2017 14:38:13   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
duplicate... please delete

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Mar 27, 2017 14:38:14   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
After switching to Canon many years ago and having used various Image Stabilized lenses for fifteen years, all I can say is that I am able to get a lot more sharp shots hand held at shutter speeds that I would have had to avoid without IS. I find IS particularly helpful with telephotos... but a lot less important with wide angle lenses and nearly useless for high magnification macro work. Small sensor cameras are more susceptible to shake blur than large sensor... But larger mirrors and shutters make for more internal vibration, which stabilization also can help counteract. Higher and higher resolution cameras are more susceptible to shake blur, too... but higher usable ISOs help to offset that to some extent.

Exactly how many stops worth is gonna vary depending a lot upon the user, too. Different people are better or worse at holding their camera steady, though most can improve with practice and by using tried-and-true techniques. With reasonable care I could get a fairly high percentage of sharp shots hand holding a 200mm lens (on full frame/35mm film) down to about 1/125 without stabilization... With it I can get pretty darned good results at 1/30 or even 1/15.

But image stabilization cannot help freeze subject movement or do anything to prevent the blur it can produce at slower shutter speeds.

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Mar 28, 2017 21:57:55   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Marionsho wrote:
How do they (the lens makes) determine how many stops the IS they have incorporated into their lens is good for?
Do they have lots of people take pictures, with and without, the aid of IS, then average out the results.
What if one, or more, of the photographers has the ability, like our own SS, to turn off his/her pacemaker, as to not allow his own heartbeat vibrations to interfere with his/her rocksteady grip?
In a recent post, one Hog claimed he could handhold 1/4 sec. exposures!
Do you think they throw out the best and the worst? As to not skew the results?
Inquiring minds want to know.
How do they (the lens makes) determine how many st... (show quote)


Thanks everybody for the replies.

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Mar 29, 2017 00:43:43   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
lwiley wrote:
If I'm not mistaken IS (image stabilization) is a product of the camera image sensor diodes software not the lense. I do not remember IS ever being part the camera systems in analog cameras.


IS is Canon's description of stabilization it uses in it's lenses and has been around for a long time, I've used it in the good old film days and do so now (only todays version of IS is vastly improved). I also used a gyro based stabilizer (I usually used for movie shooting) for still sometimes as well(that was in the very early 80's)!

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Mar 29, 2017 04:16:08   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
moonhawk wrote:
Intereingly, Olympus claims that their 6.5 f/stop increase is the best tha can be achieved due to the rotation of the earth.

Please don't ask me to explain that one.!


The stabilization is done by gyroscopes. Gyros retain their positions once they are spun up. The surface of the earth is moving at ~1000 mph, but not in a linear motion, but in a circular motion. As the earth turns, the earth changes its position relative to the locked in position of the gyro. This is what limits the total possible stabilization to 6.5 stops. The only way to compensate more is to use GPS and computing power to compansate for the seven (?) gyroscopes "movements" relative to the earth. That kind of GPS and computing power in the size of something the size of even a full frame camera size does not exist yet and is not even close to existing yet. Then it just becomes a matter of determining the limits of the gyros, the limits of the pizo electric devices, and comparing that to what the vibrations are involved in the real world. No uncertain judgement by people, just number crunching by computers to determine what is the maximum number of stops that can be stabilized.

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