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Mar 26, 2017 09:12:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Still using CS6 but it is getting more difficult since there is no support for new camera raw files. But, I'm waiting for some new technique or development in CC that I can't do as a work around in CS6 that will motivate me. Till then I'm sailing along subscription-free.


"What if I own an older version of Photoshop or Lightroom?

You do not have to buy a new version of Photoshop or Lightroom just to get the latest camera support.
Adobe provides backwards compatibility for the latest cameras for free in Photoshop CS, CS2, CS3, CS4, CS5, and CS6 as well as Lightroom 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, through the Adobe DNG Converter. With this tool, you can easily convert camera-specific raw files from supported cameras to a more universal DNG raw file."

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/why-is-my-camera-not-supported.html

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Mar 26, 2017 10:27:53   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, they can do that at Adobe.


I had a computer die before I could deactivate PS. I contacted Adobe and within an hour I got a message to install it on the new machine. Sometime later I was replacing another computer and did deactivate PS. It wouldn't install and when I contacted Adobe they said it was a third machine. When I explained what had happened in the past they got back to me and apologized and I was able to install it.

It could have helped that I had purchased 4 or 5 versions of the product already, but they were very accommodating.

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Mar 26, 2017 17:34:10   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Given that I have not upgraded from Photoshop CS4, CS6 must be out-of-sight great.

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Mar 26, 2017 23:19:20   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bill_de wrote:
They seem to keep the dng converter up to date. When it creates the new files you still retain your originals. You can convert a folder at a time with just a few clicks and it will work in the background. And it's free

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Before converting to dng, people ought to read this to know exactly what they are getting into.

https://photographylife.com/why-i-no-longer-convert-raw-files-to-dng/

In any case, I would never ever delete the original raw files. Ever. Just in case I stop using Adobe products or Adobe goes out of business because their revenue stream is negatively impacted by all the people stubbornly resisting upgrading to the new stuff.

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Mar 26, 2017 23:40:02   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
Before converting to dng, people ought to read this to know exactly what they are getting into.

https://photographylife.com/why-i-no-longer-convert-raw-files-to-dng/

In any case, I would never ever delete the original raw files. Ever. Just in case I stop using Adobe products or Adobe goes out of business because their revenue stream is negatively impacted by all the people stubbornly resisting upgrading to the new stuff.
Before converting to dng, people ought to read thi... (show quote)


"....or Adobe goes out of business because their revenue stream is negatively impacted by all the people stubbornly resisting upgrading to the new stuff."

The last quarterly report indicated there are 9 million subscribers to some version of the CC. It didn't say how many were on the $10 plan.

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Mar 26, 2017 23:41:09   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bsprague wrote:
"....or Adobe goes out of business because their revenue stream is negatively impacted by all the people stubbornly resisting upgrading to the new stuff."

The last quarterly report indicated there are 9 million subscribers to some version of the CC. It didn't say how many were on the $10 plan.


I was being sarcastic . . .

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Mar 26, 2017 23:43:43   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I was being sarcastic . . .
I thought so, but still thought I through the tidbit in. The sales graph is one every business would die for. It is not steady at 9 million. It is 9 million and growing rapidly.

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Mar 27, 2017 06:12:32   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bsprague wrote:
I thought so, but still thought I through the tidbit in. The sales graph is one every business would die for. It is not steady at 9 million. It is 9 million and growing rapidly.


It's interesting that when you look at their http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/investor-relations/PDFs/ADBE-10K-FY16-FINAL-CERTIFIED.PDF on page 36, which compares revenue for 2012 through 2016, there was a hit in 2013, the year that CC became their preferred method for software distribution and announcing the end of "perpetually licensed" product. Revenue was down 10% from 2012, but income before taxes took the biggest hit, falling 69%. But from 2013 on, the company has shown a growth in income as well as revenue, to their historical highs in 2016. They also grew their employee force from 11,144 to 15,706 during that period.

Yeah, they are doing the right thing, in spite of the stubborn "I will die before paying a fair price for software" crowd. Luckily, there are enough others that see the overwhelming benefits of the subscription model to keep Adobe afloat.

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Mar 27, 2017 14:27:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Gene51 wrote:
It's interesting that when you look at their http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/investor-relations/PDFs/ADBE-10K-FY16-FINAL-CERTIFIED.PDF on page 36, which compares revenue for 2012 through 2016, there was a hit in 2013, the year that CC became their preferred method for software distribution and announcing the end of "perpetually licensed" product. Revenue was down 10% from 2012, but income before taxes took the biggest hit, falling 69%. But from 2013 on, the company has shown a growth in income as well as revenue, to their historical highs in 2016. They also grew their employee force from 11,144 to 15,706 during that period.

Yeah, they are doing the right thing, in spite of the stubborn "I will die before paying a fair price for software" crowd. Luckily, there are enough others that see the overwhelming benefits of the subscription model to keep Adobe afloat.
It's interesting that when you look at their url ... (show quote)


Adobe made some initial errors in the naming, positioning and pricing of Adobe Creative Cloud, and that is reflected in the numbers you cite, but they adapted quickly and tuned the pricing models to be effective. Good software is not cheap, and I've been fortunate enough to have legitimate copies that have either cost me nothing or have been a deductible business expense, but I consider Adobe CC to be a good economic investment. Adobe was an early mover in this environment and seems to have the formula pretty good now.

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Mar 27, 2017 14:43:53   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
elliott937 wrote:
Let me interject something. Over the past six months or longer, I've read constant stories about users who have had problems with the CC, usually via the updates. How does one ignore this? Or do folks just 'bite the bullet' knowing they must invest the additional time to constantly fix the updates?


Update issues are directly dependent on the users hardware setup. Occasionally 3rd party plugins need to be reset, but other than that I have had zero problems as compared to the incredible capabilities that CC provides

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Mar 27, 2017 14:54:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Peterff wrote:
Adobe made some initial errors in the naming, positioning and pricing of Adobe Creative Cloud, and that is reflected in the numbers you cite, but they adapted quickly and tuned the pricing models to be effective. Good software is not cheap, and I've been fortunate enough to have legitimate copies that have either cost me nothing or have been a deductible business expense, but I consider Adobe CC to be a good economic investment. Adobe was an early mover in this environment and seems to have the formula pretty good now.
Adobe made some initial errors in the naming, posi... (show quote)



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Mar 27, 2017 14:54:53   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Update issues are directly dependent on the users hardware setup. Occasionally 3rd party plugins need to be reset, but other than that I have had zero problems as compared to the incredible capabilities that CC provides



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