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Is there a time when aperture-priority is the optimum exposure mode?
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Mar 24, 2017 12:48:57   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I do a lot of event photography so autoexposure modes are important to me in the interest of speed in getting the shot.

My normal mode is AP. I suspect I could count on two hands the number of times I have used any other mode (remember that, using binary notation, you can count up to 1023 on two hands with some a lot of manual dexterity).

I occasionally do landscapes, but being addicted to autoexposure modes I think AP would be the best one. It allows you to set the DOF or the sweet spot of the lens. I consider landscapes a static subject, so I wouldn't see any reason to select a shutter speed (assuming a tripod is in use)(although if it's windy, there could be motion of the landscape). ISO is a variable that I would set as low as possible to select a minimum shutter speed appropriate to a scene.

Of course, manual mode would allow you to choose all the appropriate values.

John Gerlach wrote:
...it introduces many problems that are so easily solved with other exposure tactics. I will shortly post a revised article about this topic on my web site that explains many of these issues. Anyone who thinks any autoexposure mode is always the best one to use needs to reconsider...


I am not saying that autoexposure is always the best way to do things, but at least in my experience it's good enough. Maybe that says it all about my work. But I would look forward to reading your revised article to find out just what problems are introduced and why AP is not the way to solve them.

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Mar 24, 2017 12:52:16   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
oldtigger wrote:
A multi row/column pano shot with an undefined aperture would be a real bugger bear to stitch.


Absolute fact right there...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Mar 24, 2017 12:56:52   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
burkphoto wrote:
I still have an A-1 around here somewhere. I never did like it much, but my wife did. The camera was significant because it was a pioneering breakthrough that paved the way for better systems to come later. It was insignificant for me, because the metering wasn't intelligent enough to give me the accuracy I needed for working with 'chrome films in challenging lighting situations — I had to use manual exposure and incident metering much of the time. So I reverted to my Nikons.


Now that is a nice observation since it clarifies part of the challenge we all face.

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Mar 24, 2017 13:03:04   #
al lehman Loc: San jose, ca.
 
John Gerlach wrote:
Hi Hogs,

I am about to begin the second revision of my landscape photography book by Focal Press.? Exposure and metering are important skills to master. Over 40 years of photographing close-ups, wildlife. and countless landscapes for fun and to earn a living, I have never found a situation where aperture-priority works better than the other choices I prefer that include shutter-priority, manual, shutter-priority and Auto ISO, or just manually setting a known exposure for stuff too small to meter like stars. Can any one think of a situation where aperture-priority really works best in case it should be in the updated book. I never have found a reason to use aperture-priority, but that doesn't mean there aren't any! Thanks for considering this question.
Hi Hogs, br br I am about to begin the second rev... (show quote)

I'm new to the world of photography but from what I've learned, there are optimum aperature settings to achieve the best resolution or DOF opportunities based on the science of lenses. I can't imagine not using aperature mode for those applications. Although I generally use shutter priority for most wildlife shots, I have recorded some awesome wildlife shots in aperature mode because of light conditions. I guess I need to re-read the photo triangle theory again.

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Mar 24, 2017 13:03:57   #
John Gerlach Loc: Island Park, Idaho
 
I haven't found the problem of light passing into the viewfinder and influencing the auto exposure to be no longer a problem. My current camera still has the built-in curtain to close off the viewfinder, so obviously Canon knows it is a problem. And I think my Canon 1DX Mark II would be considered a modern camera. I have not jumped for mirrorless because weight is not an issue for me, but they do have potential, so never say never. I think my 1DX II isn't especially big, since I once used larger 4 x 5 film cameras.
rjaywallace wrote:
If you read the thread, the OP states unequivically that he was NOT kidding. He goes on to expound upon problems he has encountered, such as light leaks, that make it quite clear he has not ever used a modern DSLR. Moreoever, he acknowledges that he has NO experience with digital mirrorless cameras. And this guy is writing a textbook???

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Mar 24, 2017 13:05:17   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
LOL! The Bell Curve is alive and well.

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Mar 24, 2017 13:05:46   #
John Gerlach Loc: Island Park, Idaho
 
I will let you know when don who does my web site gets it posted.
DirtFarmer wrote:
I do a lot of event photography so autoexposure modes are important to me in the interest of speed in getting the shot.

My normal mode is AP. I suspect I could count on two hands the number of times I have used any other mode (remember that, using binary notation, you can count up to 1023 on two hands with some a lot of manual dexterity).

I occasionally do landscapes, but being addicted to autoexposure modes I think AP would be the best one. It allows you to set the DOF or the sweet spot of the lens. I consider landscapes a static subject, so I wouldn't see any reason to select a shutter speed (assuming a tripod is in use)(although if it's windy, there could be motion of the landscape). ISO is a variable that I would set as low as possible to select a minimum shutter speed appropriate to a scene.

Of course, manual mode would allow you to choose all the appropriate values.



I am not saying that autoexposure is always the best way to do things, but at least in my experience it's good enough. Maybe that says it all about my work. But I would look forward to reading your revised article to find out just what problems are introduced and why AP is not the way to solve them.
I do a lot of event photography so autoexposure mo... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2017 13:06:53   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
John Gerlach wrote:
...the problem of light passing into the viewfinder and influencing the auto exposure....


My thumb works pretty well too!


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Mar 24, 2017 13:13:06   #
HeatherM
 
John Gerlach wrote:
Hi Hogs,

I am about to begin the second revision of my landscape photography book by Focal Press.? Exposure and metering are important skills to master. Over 40 years of photographing close-ups, wildlife. and countless landscapes for fun and to earn a living, I have never found a situation where aperture-priority works better than the other choices I prefer that include shutter-priority, manual, shutter-priority and Auto ISO, or just manually setting a known exposure for stuff too small to meter like stars. Can any one think of a situation where aperture-priority really works best in case it should be in the updated book. I never have found a reason to use aperture-priority, but that doesn't mean there aren't any! Thanks for considering this question.
Hi Hogs, br br I am about to begin the second rev... (show quote)


Thanks for asking this. I've been wondering about it lately, and now I have 10 pages of information on this very subject. Good luck with your book!

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Mar 24, 2017 13:13:22   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
John Gerlach wrote:
I haven't found the problem of light passing into the viewfinder and influencing the auto exposure to be no longer a problem. My current camera still has the built-in curtain to close off the viewfinder, so obviously Canon knows it is a problem. And I think my Canon 1DX Mark II would be considered a modern camera. I have not jumped for mirrorless because weight is not an issue for me, but they do have potential, so never say never. I think my 1DX II isn't especially big, since I once used larger 4 x 5 film cameras.
I haven't found the problem of light passing into ... (show quote)


My T90 has one also, from 1986. My AE-1 (from 1976) has the plastic cover. My Canon EOS camera came with a similar gizmo. Talking about the problems is a good thing, discussing what the implications are is an even better publishing opportunity.

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Mar 24, 2017 13:18:51   #
P.Beau Loc: EG.RI
 
I like working in Aperture mode. Call me old fashioned or a Dinosaur but I do MISS the "aperture needle" in my old F1 canon and other bodies. a change or speed or aperture showed what was happening, not to mention DOF viewer on many dslrs. So using Aperture to me is all about composition in the camera. The better the composition in the shot the easier or more flexible the PP can be.

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Mar 24, 2017 13:23:48   #
HeatherM
 
John Gerlach wrote:
I agree that aperture is often critical. So how does manual exposure not give you the same control? Just set the aperture you want, and adjust the exposure with the shutter, or even the ISO. One advantage of manual is you have shutter, aperture, and ISO available to adjust the exposure.


I'm reluctant to use manual because I'm afraid that I won't have time to think about and adjust all three parameters. Lack of experience. I use aperture priority for DOF if I don't have to worry about motion blur that I don't want.

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Mar 24, 2017 13:30:19   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
HeatherM wrote:
I'm reluctant to use manual because I'm afraid that I won't have time to think about and adjust all three parameters. Lack of experience. I use aperture priority for DOF if I don't have to worry about motion blur that I don't want.


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Mar 24, 2017 13:33:12   #
JoeLadendorf
 
John, I am almost entirely a landscape photographer. I use AP mode almost exclusively. I shoot at the edges of the day most of the time. Thus, I bracket a lot. In doing so, you must keep aperture the same and allow the camera to choose shutter speed if you hope to blend images. Also, I love to create panoramas, which, again, require all images to have the same aperture as different depths of field will not render correctly. Being an author of a book on photography, I am surprised at your question

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Mar 24, 2017 13:50:54   #
John Gerlach Loc: Island Park, Idaho
 
I do pans and HDR and focus stacking/in-camera HDR combos, and HDR alone. I just select the aperture I want and to keep the same, and manually adjust the shutter to get to the same result as using aperture-priority. I don't have much luck with in-camera autobracketing because the camera shoots the series of images too fast, causing less sharp images due to shutter bounce.
JoeLadendorf wrote:
John, I am almost entirely a landscape photographer. I use AP mode almost exclusively. I shoot at the edges of the day most of the time. Thus, I bracket a lot. In doing so, you must keep aperture the same and allow the camera to choose shutter speed if you hope to blend images. Also, I love to create panoramas, which, again, require all images to have the same aperture as different depths of field will not render correctly. Being an author of a book on photography, I am surprised at your question
John, I am almost entirely a landscape photographe... (show quote)

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