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Is there a time when aperture-priority is the optimum exposure mode?
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Mar 24, 2017 17:14:34   #
buddingfatographer Loc: Nashville
 
So the moral of the story is... never... ever... ever ever ever ask a question if the viewer assumes you already know the answer. You will be burned at the stake!

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Mar 24, 2017 17:29:34   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
John Gerlach wrote:
Don't get me started on the sunny 16 rule. I used to call it the "when to quit rule." It worked in bright sun conditions that I typically avoided with slide film at the time. Bright sun isn't so bad now that we can adjust color temp and contrast with software. Now we can shoot longer on Kenya safaris and still get pleasing images. The sun jumps up there pretty fast around the equator.


I think there has been a certain amount of crossed wires here. Most people have a fair idea of what they want thier aperture to be and don't want it bouncing around but thats not what you are saying is it.

AP is going to tell you say at f5.6 a shutter speed of say 1/250th and iso 100 will get you an exposure. But then you were pointing at the bride in white and your camera's trying to expose her mid gray dress so you might dial in some compensation say 2 stops. Now you point at the groom in his black suit and the camera works out an exposure of 1/60th now your exposure compensation is the wrong way so you need to change it the other way. even with zero exposure compensation. your going to have 2 shots metered by the camera one over exposed and the other under exposed. this will be worst with spot metering and less on matrix or center weighted. This isn't good even if you set the shutter speed and the aperture and let the iso bounce your still going to get under and over exposure , right so 10 shots in the same light and each one is going to be exposed differently. So maybe its better to use AP to get into the right ball park switch to manual and take your 10 shots, still doesnt mean the exposure is spot on but all 10 shots should belong together and require the same tweaks because they all used the same exposure. Any non manual mode is going to come up with a new exposure each time.

So yes good to control the aperture but if iso and shutter speed are not being controlled the results are going to be inconsistent.

Is that what you are saying really?

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Mar 24, 2017 17:34:24   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Yes because it's a rhetorical question rather than a real one. If you are going to ask a rhetorical question you ought to at least identify it as a rhetorical question. Kind of like asking directions from someone on the street and then telling the person you know a better way to get there.
buddingfatographer wrote:
So the moral of the story is... never... ever... ever ever ever ask a question if the viewer assumes you already know the answer. You will be burned at the stake!

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Mar 24, 2017 18:28:39   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Mark W wrote:
SOCIAL INTERACTION ?


STOP 'EFFING SHOUTING!

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Mar 24, 2017 19:07:07   #
Mark W Loc: Camden, Maine
 
Idiot.

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Mar 24, 2017 19:09:45   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Mark W wrote:
Idiot.


Thanks for stopping shouting, but I'm glad you have identified yourself!

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Mar 24, 2017 19:24:21   #
John Gerlach Loc: Island Park, Idaho
 
I see no reason to use any autoexposure mode in situations where the auto meter will respond to changing amounts of tones and be jumping while the ambient exposure truly remains the same during the whole time. This happens a lot in landscape photography. EVEN ON AN OVERCAST DAY WHERE THE LIGHT IS SOFT AND STEADY, ap WOULD PUT THE EXPOSURE ALL 0VER THE PLACE WHILE YOU ZOOM IN AND OUT TO CHANGE COMPOSITION ON A WATERFALL. mANUAL KEEPS THE EXPOSURE WHERE YOU WANTED IT. wHY WOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE AUTOEXPOSURE BEAT YOU UP LIKE THAT?
blackest wrote:
I think there has been a certain amount of crossed wires here. Most people have a fair idea of what they want thier aperture to be and don't want it bouncing around but thats not what you are saying is it.

AP is going to tell you say at f5.6 a shutter speed of say 1/250th and iso 100 will get you an exposure. But then you were pointing at the bride in white and your camera's trying to expose her mid gray dress so you might dial in some compensation say 2 stops. Now you point at the groom in his black suit and the camera works out an exposure of 1/60th now your exposure compensation is the wrong way so you need to change it the other way. even with zero exposure compensation. your going to have 2 shots metered by the camera one over exposed and the other under exposed. this will be worst with spot metering and less on matrix or center weighted. This isn't good even if you set the shutter speed and the aperture and let the iso bounce your still going to get under and over exposure , right so 10 shots in the same light and each one is going to be exposed differently. So maybe its better to use AP to get into the right ball park switch to manual and take your 10 shots, still doesnt mean the exposure is spot on but all 10 shots should belong together and require the same tweaks because they all used the same exposure. Any non manual mode is going to come up with a new exposure each time.

So yes good to control the aperture but if iso and shutter speed are not being controlled the results are going to be inconsistent.

Is that what you are saying really?
I think there has been a certain amount of crossed... (show quote)

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Mar 24, 2017 19:28:51   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Mark W wrote:
Idiot.


They'll love you in the Attic where such behavior is expected.

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Mar 24, 2017 19:31:13   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
I personally think that the OP has exposed himself, and possibly over exposed himself. He clearly has very strongly held opinions about the correct way that things should be done and they clearly work for him. For myself he has also succeeded in confirming that I have no interest in buying or reading his books. A little too much of the self-satisfied religious zealot for my own taste. It's all a matter of personal choice.

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Mar 24, 2017 19:42:15   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
I'm a professional landscape photographer and currently use a Sony A7R mirrorless camera. I use aperture-priority most of the time because when you turn the camera on you see the correct viewing brightness though the viewfinder. When I shoot landscapes aperture selection has always been my first and most important consideration because aperture selection controls the DOF in all of my images.

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Mar 24, 2017 20:19:38   #
buddingfatographer Loc: Nashville
 
Bobspez wrote:
Yes because it's a rhetorical question rather than a real one. If you are going to ask a rhetorical question you ought to at least identify it as a rhetorical question. Kind of like asking directions from someone on the street and then telling the person you know a better way to get there.


I missed in his original post, him ever claiming to know a better way or the "correct" way. He simply said he hasn't found a reason to use AP, as manually setting exposure has worked better for him and asked if anyone sees it as a better option, to explain why. He didn't ask the question and then start shooting responses out of the sky. For whatever reason you and a few others started going after him like those in Salem in the 1690's for his "sorcery!" If you don't want his book... don't buy it. I doubt seriously anyone cares. I hope the next time you thugs ask a question someone else sees as silly or "rhetorical"... someone, or a team absolutely start blasting your a**es! As for his question being "rhetorical"... I believe he was genuinely wanting input... making that invalid. He was very clear that he wanted to include some content on AP and wanted examples of its use over manual. God bless his legs for asking a question, how dare he?!

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Mar 24, 2017 20:30:58   #
team 1
 
Carried one camera in aperture-priority one in shutter-priority, while shooting S E C football games in the mid 1960's Canon F T B's were brand new no A on the dial. Had a 2 touch zoom

70-210, and a 400 3.8 I bought in the px in Nam

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Mar 24, 2017 20:31:02   #
jcradford Loc: Shoreview Minnesota
 
I was also thinking flower bokeh, but let's say multiple outdoor portrait candids. I like consistency in the background blur and may take it right down to wide open ... Each one the same. May need some shutter comp, or ND filter but that background has to be consistent shot after shot. Ok ... I could find the speed and set it on Manual, until the light changes. I guess I don't understand why anybody would write a book and leave out any settings? Isn't it about choices and individual taste, not just your experience and opinion?

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Mar 24, 2017 20:31:10   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
buddingfatographer wrote:
I missed in his original post, him ever claiming to know a better way or the "correct" way. He simply said he hasn't found a reason to use AP, as manually setting exposure has worked better for him and asked if anyone sees it as a better option, to explain why. He didn't ask the question and then start shooting responses out of the sky. For whatever reason you and a few others started going after him like those in Salem in the 1690's for his "sorcery!" If you don't want his book... don't buy it. I doubt seriously anyone cares. I hope the next time you thugs ask a question someone else sees as silly or "rhetorical"... someone, or a team absolutely start blasting your a**es! As for his question being "rhetorical"... I believe he was genuinely wanting input... making that invalid. He was very clear that he wanted to include some content on AP and wanted examples of its use over manual. God bless his legs for asking a question, how dare he?!
I missed in his original post, him ever claiming t... (show quote)


That was kind of my take and I checked to see if we slid into the Attic. Some of the self righteous should check and see if DPS is offering a charm school class.
It's a photography discussion...

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Mar 24, 2017 20:45:52   #
buddingfatographer Loc: Nashville
 
jcradford wrote:
I was also thinking flower bokeh, but let's say multiple outdoor portrait candids. I like consistency in the background blur and may take it right down to wide open ... Each one the same. May need some shutter comp, or ND filter but that background has to be consistent shot after shot. Ok ... I could find the speed and set it on Manual, until the light changes. I guess I don't understand why anybody would write a book and leave out any settings? Isn't it about choices and individual taste, not just your experience and opinion?
I was also thinking flower bokeh, but let's say mu... (show quote)



If I've been a photographer and made a living doing it for 40 years and I'm writing a book I can tell you what it WON'T be about... it won't be about how someone else takes pictures. It'll probably include predominantly the way I do it and how I've made it a career and been successful. I doubt Mickey Mantle ever wrote a book about how to bat like the babe! Guess he was a crappy batter!

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