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Mar 15, 2017 09:48:06   #
DMGill Loc: Colorado
 
In the early 50's my father was shooting 16mm color movies of our family. In the early 70's I was the in-house photographer for a real estate company and was shooting a lot of color positive film. It was more available then than it is now.

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Mar 15, 2017 10:54:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Actually the military issued the home movie cameras as well. I watched this on a documentary on filming the war and the reporters and why some was in B&W and some in color. The officers had nothing to do with it.


That's all good. What I meant about the officers is the inevitable, "Soldier, why are you filming the firefight instead of firing that weapon?" question. It's one thing if the army assigns you to document a battle, but quite another if you were ordered to fight it. Somehow, I don't think Lt. Calley would have let anyone who filmed the atrocities at My Lai in Viet Nam get out with that film... the massacre would have been revealed earlier, had there been any surviving photographic documentation.

Processing really was key to the scarcity of color from WWII. Kodachrome was a *very* complex process that involved removing a jet-black carbon backing from the film before it was processed, and "selective re-exposure" to red and blue light during development. Equipment was highly specialized. Temperature control was critical. Some variations of the process ran for over an hour and a half. The Kodak guys I knew recommended ± about 1/4°F, and that is hard to maintain anywhere, let alone in a war zone. Significant lab volume was required to keep the process economically viable, which is why it died. There are rumors of its rebirth, but...

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Mar 15, 2017 10:54:40   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
tstear22 wrote:
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily posts for about 6 months. I watched Kong Skull Island last Saturday - no spoilers, I promise. The photographer on the expedition (based in 1973) used a camera with black and white film. Was color film not yet around or was it still in it's infancy? Or was it around but expensive and black and white film was the norm and cheaper? Please forgive my ignorance but I know many of you will know this history better than me. I also appreciate the many "regular users" who use tact, wisdom and sometimes restraint to answer somewhat ridiculous questions. I hope this question is not in that category. Thank you in advance for your input. Tim.
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily po... (show quote)


I thought that the original film took place before the 70's. So color film in the movie would have not faired well for documentary stuff unless you as a pro got a fat check for doing color. Sorry but my memory seems to find the original film as being in the 40's or 50's or maybe earlier. In movies they try to keep all of the props and story line in the time the story line says it happened. The original movie was shot in black and white.

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Mar 15, 2017 10:58:00   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
drklrd wrote:
I thought that the original film took place before the 70's. So color film in the movie would have not faired well for documentary stuff unless you as a pro got a fat check for doing color. Sorry but my memory seems to find the original film as being in the 40's or 50's or maybe earlier. In movies they try to keep all of the props and story line in the time the story line says it happened. The original movie was shot in black and white.


The new Kong isn't a remake of the original, and was set in the '70s.

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Mar 15, 2017 10:59:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
pendennis wrote:
35mm Kodachrome would have been in ASA 12, or ASA 16 (Professional) in the 50's and early 60's. I don't think Kodachrome ever came in ASA (ISO) 100.


See Wikipedia. It details all the various versions and speeds. No 100 speed was ever made. There was an ASA 200 professional version. Most folks in the 1970s were using ASA 25 or 64 versions.

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Mar 15, 2017 10:59:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
That's all good. What I meant about the officers is the inevitable, "Soldier, why are you filming the firefight instead of firing that weapon?" question. It's one thing if the army assigns you to document a battle, but quite another if you were ordered to fight it. Somehow, I don't think Lt. Calley would have let anyone who filmed the atrocities at My Lai in Viet Nam get out with that film... the massacre would have been revealed earlier, had there been any surviving photographic documentation.

Processing really was key to the scarcity of color from WWII. Kodachrome was a *very* complex process that involved removing a jet-black carbon backing from the film before it was processed, and "selective re-exposure" to red and blue light during development. Equipment was highly specialized. Temperature control was critical. Some variations of the process ran The Kodak guys I knew recommended ± about 1/4°F, and that is hard to maintain anywhere, let alone in a war zone. Significant volume was required to keep it economically viable, which is why it died. There are rumors of its rebirth, but...
That's all good. What I meant about the officers i... (show quote)


My original reference was to the personnel assigned to take photos as their MOS.

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Mar 15, 2017 11:00:43   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
See Wikipedia. It details all the various versions and speeds. No 100 speed was ever made. There was an ASA 200 professional version. Most folks in the 1970s were using ASA 25 or 64 versions.



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Mar 15, 2017 11:01:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
My original reference was to the personnel assigned to take photos as their MOS.


Got it!

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Mar 15, 2017 11:02:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
Got it!



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Mar 15, 2017 11:11:37   #
EZsh00ter Loc: Ottawa, On. Canada
 
I saw the movie last night. She was a photojournalist, and she processed and printed all her own work. We saw that at the beginning of the movie.
I figure newspapers didn't print colour images at the time. Now about her in the movie, you never saw her change lenses, wide shots, telephoto shots, always the same lens. At the end of the movie, you saw a second camera around her neck. And we saw her shoot in shear darkness. Its a movie...

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Mar 15, 2017 11:20:41   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
EZsh00ter wrote:
I saw the movie last night. She was a photojournalist, and she processed and printed all her own work. We saw that at the beginning of the movie.
I figure newspapers didn't print colour images at the time. Now about her in the movie, you never saw her change lenses, wide shots, telephoto shots, always the same lens. At the end of the movie, you saw a second camera around her neck. And we saw her shoot in shear darkness. Its a movie...



Wish my M-16 never ran out of ammo like in the movies too.

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Mar 15, 2017 11:23:11   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Some photographers choose to shoot in B&W. It's an effect you cannot get with colour. I was shooting for magazines in the early 80's and some of them were printing pictures in B&W and wanted B&W from me.

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Mar 15, 2017 11:55:26   #
crphoto8 Loc: Anaheim, California
 
Color film was around in 1973, both negative and positive. I have used color film since the early 60s, mostly slides due to cost and then prints. I also used B&W with my father's box camera when I was a teenager.

tstear22 wrote:
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily posts for about 6 months. I watched Kong Skull Island last Saturday - no spoilers, I promise. The photographer on the expedition (based in 1973) used a camera with black and white film. Was color film not yet around or was it still in it's infancy? Or was it around but expensive and black and white film was the norm and cheaper? Please forgive my ignorance but I know many of you will know this history better than me. I also appreciate the many "regular users" who use tact, wisdom and sometimes restraint to answer somewhat ridiculous questions. I hope this question is not in that category. Thank you in advance for your input. Tim.
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily po... (show quote)

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Mar 15, 2017 12:02:39   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Same as DIN also...


No, they are not the same. ASA/ISO is built on a linear scale (ASA 400 = 2 X ASA 200), while DIN is built on a logarithmic scale. For instance ISO 100 = 21° DIN and ISO 200 = 24°. For each doubling of ASA / ISO, there is an increase of only 3° DIN.

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Mar 15, 2017 12:03:26   #
Billynikon Loc: Atlanta
 
You might have noticed in the picture that quite often she was taking pictures in low light. Most color films were 25 or 64 ASA. Tri X was 400 and could be pushed higher if needed.

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