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Mar 14, 2017 13:02:18   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
tstear22 wrote:
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily posts for about 6 months. I watched Kong Skull Island last Saturday - no spoilers, I promise. The photographer on the expedition (based in 1973) used a camera with black and white film. Was color film not yet around or was it still in it's infancy? Or was it around but expensive and black and white film was the norm and cheaper? Please forgive my ignorance but I know many of you will know this history better than me. I also appreciate the many "regular users" who use tact, wisdom and sometimes restraint to answer somewhat ridiculous questions. I hope this question is not in that category. Thank you in advance for your input. Tim.
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Try asking Mr. Google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_photography

It's been a very long journey, this may help.

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Mar 14, 2017 13:10:02   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I first used color film in the early '50s (that's 1950s) but most of my work was B/W because it was a simpler process and there were more sensitive film available and I was doing my own processing. I never got into color printing (until digital) but I did process some slide film. I was still in High School and didn't have the funds to invest in color print processing.

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Mar 15, 2017 06:33:04   #
Al Freeedman
 
Maybe they used B&W film because it did better then color in the heat of the jungle. Or maybe it gave them the mood they wanted.
Re: any of the B&W H. Bogart movies of the 40's. The movie industry years ago tried to colorize some of the old classic movies.
I would never watch them. Can you imagine W.C. Fields in color?

Captain AL

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Mar 15, 2017 06:52:50   #
Jim Bob
 
2 pages replete with the same stuff.

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Mar 15, 2017 06:57:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
tstear22 wrote:
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily posts for about 6 months. I watched Kong Skull Island last Saturday - no spoilers, I promise. The photographer on the expedition (based in 1973) used a camera with black and white film. Was color film not yet around or was it still in it's infancy? Or was it around but expensive and black and white film was the norm and cheaper? Please forgive my ignorance but I know many of you will know this history better than me. I also appreciate the many "regular users" who use tact, wisdom and sometimes restraint to answer somewhat ridiculous questions. I hope this question is not in that category. Thank you in advance for your input. Tim.
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily po... (show quote)


Color film goes back way before 1973. It's surprising that a photographer on a scientific expedition would choose B&W film. For scientific research, you want as much info as you can get, including color. We're just now learning that dinosaurs had lots of colors. If only someone could have taken color pictures of them.

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Mar 15, 2017 06:58:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MtnMan wrote:
...someday.


One of the best words in English.

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Mar 15, 2017 07:17:53   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
jpintn wrote:
A quick Google search found this:

The most well-known movies to use color were "The Wizard of Oz" and "Gone With the Wind", both from 1939. However, pre-dating those classics by more than 20 years was a 1912 film called "With our King and Queen Through India", and a 1918 silent film called "Cupid Angling"

.....and:

The first color photograph made by the three-color method suggested by James Clerk Maxwell in 1855, taken in 1861 by Thomas Sutton. The subject is a colored ribbon, usually described as a tartan ribbon.
A quick Google search found this: br br The most ... (show quote)


Weren't those two movies done in B&W and colorized later?

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Mar 15, 2017 07:31:15   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Color film goes back way before 1973. It's surprising that a photographer on a scientific expedition would choose B&W film. For scientific research, you want as much info as you can get, including color. We're just now learning that dinosaurs had lots of colors. If only someone could have taken color pictures of them.


She was a photojournalist, not a scientist. One of the other characters called her a war photographer.

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Mar 15, 2017 07:32:20   #
melismus Loc: Chesapeake Bay Country
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Same as DIN also...


No. DIN was quite different.

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Mar 15, 2017 07:43:11   #
ajcotterell
 
Color film was around almost since the invention of Photography in 1839 by Louis-Jacques Mande Daguerre (the Daguerrotype) and William Henry Fox-Talbot (in England) about the same time. Daguerre's process was popular at first, but Fox-Talbot's negative and print process finally dominated. In the 1890s, French and German experimenters used the Autochrome process to produce remarkably durable color images, and French inventors used various processes to produce color transparencies. It was left to American inventors, however, to produce the first durable (although complicated in processing) really practical color transparency film and process, Kodachrome, which was invented by two musicians who worked on the process in 1935 in a New York hotel room. (I wonder that they didn't destroy the hotel room, with all those chemicals and equipment). Anyway, Kodachrome became the standard, and the process was purchased by Eastman Kodak and sold for years under the Kodak name. In fact, Kodachrome only went out of production and Kodak stopped processing Kodachrome film in the past 10 - 20 years or so. Kodacolor, a color negative to positive color print process, was developed in the late 1940s or early 50s by Kodak. I used Kodacolor in the 1950s for photos of special occasions (my sister's birthday, etc.). In motion pictures, the three-strip Technicolor process was developed in Hollywood, and used three 35mm movie cameras all combined into one huge machine, color filters (red, green, and blue), and the lab had to add dyes, etc.-- it was all very complicated. The first color movie produced in Hollywood was a 10-minute (approximately) short film titled, "La Cucaracha." It was a musical piece featuring the Hollywood idea of a colorful Mexican musical interlude. Now, you get 3 college credits for having read all this stuff from my old course syllabus on the History of Photography. --Best Regards, AJ

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Mar 15, 2017 07:48:12   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
ajcotterell wrote:
Color film was around almost since the invention of Photography in 1839 by Louis-Jacques Mande Daguerre (the Daguerrotype) and William Henry Fox-Talbot (in England) about the same time. Daguerre's process was popular at first, but Fox-Talbot's negative and print process finally dominated. In the 1890s, French and German experimenters used the Autochrome process to produce remarkably durable color images, and French inventors used various processes to produce color transparencies. It was left to American inventors, however, to produce the first durable (although complicated in processing) really practical color transparency film and process, Kodachrome, which was invented by two musicians who worked on the process in 1935 in a New York hotel room. (I wonder that they didn't destroy the hotel room, with all those chemicals and equipment). Anyway, Kodachrome became the standard, and the process was purchased by Eastman Kodak and sold for years under the Kodak name. In fact, Kodachrome only went out of production and Kodak stopped processing Kodachrome film in the past 10 - 20 years or so. Kodacolor, a color negative to positive color print process, was developed in the late 1940s or early 50s by Kodak. I used Kodacolor in the 1950s for photos of special occasions (my sister's birthday, etc.). In motion pictures, the three-strip Technicolor process was developed in Hollywood, and used three 35mm movie cameras all combined into one huge machine, color filters (red, green, and blue), and the lab had to add dyes, etc.-- it was all very complicated. The first color movie produced in Hollywood was a 10-minute (approximately) short film titled, "La Cucaracha." It was a musical piece featuring the Hollywood idea of a colorful Mexican musical interlude. Now, you get 3 college credits for having read all this stuff from my old course syllabus on the History of Photography. --Best Regards, AJ
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Interesting stuff. Now I'm on my way to receiving a Bachelor of Arts in Photography. What's my next course?

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Mar 15, 2017 07:58:15   #
ajcotterell
 
Hey, good luck with your studies! --Best, AJ

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Mar 15, 2017 07:58:42   #
AP Loc: Massachusetts
 
tstear22 wrote:
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily posts for about 6 months. I watched Kong Skull Island last Saturday - no spoilers, I promise. The photographer on the expedition (based in 1973) used a camera with black and white film. Was color film not yet around or was it still in it's infancy? Or was it around but expensive and black and white film was the norm and cheaper? Please forgive my ignorance but I know many of you will know this history better than me. I also appreciate the many "regular users" who use tact, wisdom and sometimes restraint to answer somewhat ridiculous questions. I hope this question is not in that category. Thank you in advance for your input. Tim.
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Inclosed is a cover photograph on SPORTS ILLUSTRATED Magazine of Ted Williams in color. Photograph was made by: Arthur Griffin on assignment for Eastman Kodak testing the new color slide film 4x5 KODACHROME ASA 10, photo was made 1939 Ted Williams was 19 years old. HOW'S THAT ! AP



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Mar 15, 2017 08:02:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
tstear22 wrote:
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily posts for about 6 months. I watched Kong Skull Island last Saturday - no spoilers, I promise. The photographer on the expedition (based in 1973) used a camera with black and white film. Was color film not yet around or was it still in it's infancy? Or was it around but expensive and black and white film was the norm and cheaper? Please forgive my ignorance but I know many of you will know this history better than me. I also appreciate the many "regular users" who use tact, wisdom and sometimes restraint to answer somewhat ridiculous questions. I hope this question is not in that category. Thank you in advance for your input. Tim.
I am new to the HOG but have been reading daily po... (show quote)

In 1973, there were LOTS of color films. I was using six of them that year.

Kodachrome dates back to the mid-1930s, and remains the ONLY color film to retain its colors for several decades with very little fading.

HOWEVER, if the character was a newspaper photographer or hobbyist, chances are that he or she would NOT have been using color then. 4/color process printing was *very* expensive, compared to B&W. It was terrible quality in most newspapers as well. There was no such thing as ICC color management. Getting good color in a home darkroom took lots of care and precise temperature control. Tray processing was impractical, since safelights were useless.

Color (in publications) started to get less expensive, more consistent, and more popular in the 1980s. By then, really good film scanners were becoming more widely available. Kodak started making special color films for photojournalists in the late 1980s or early 1990s.

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Mar 15, 2017 08:11:10   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Same as DIN also...


DIN was the German logarithmic scale for film speeds. 400 ISO = 27 DIN, 500 ISO = 28 DIN, 800 ISO = 30 DIN...

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