BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky

The wild eyed right wingers thought Obama was building internment camps for them.

He wasn't; but Trump and his rich buddies have a plan.

People wonder why the U.S. has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world; it's called PROFIT.

Prisons turn a high profit on real-estate.:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/23/private-prisons-back-trump-and-could-see-big-payoffs-new-policies/98300394/

" Private prison companies, which stand to make big gains under President Trump’s tough new immigration orders, also have contributed big sums to pro-Trump groups, including the organization that raised a record $100 million for his inauguration last month.

GEO Group, one of the nation’s largest for-profit prison operators, donated $250,000 to support Trump’s inaugural festivities, Pablo Paez, the company’s vice president of corporate relations, told USA TODAY.

That’s on top of the $225,000 that a company subsidiary donated to a super PAC that spent some $22 million to help elect the real-estate magnate. Another prison operator, CoreCivic, gave $250,000 to support Trump’s inauguration, recently filed congressional reports show."

HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO

We have 24 prisons in Colorado. They could build another 24 if they wanted to; and I'm for it! 7 of them are located within 50 miles of where I live, including 2 supermax's. Please, send all of them you want to here! Scared Straight and Beyond Scared Straight have been filmed here during several of their episodes. Two weeks ago, they shot a segment interviewing lifers. One inmate has been in prison since he was 7years old. He's spent 13 years (so far); will never get out. Robbed a store, shot the owner 5 times, then - as he was leaving, he shot him another 6 times! He said "I don't know what happened to the guy; he probably lost his family, his business - hell, I don't know what happened to him. Do I care? No - I'm stuck here for forever!"

Wonder about the cost, Big Shit? Who cares. People who do what inmates do, do it to YOU - and everyone else they can. Selfish animals. 40 years ago, I was honeymooning in Maine. Took my wife to Camden's Prison shop to pick up objects made by inmates. Leaving the shop, I asked one of the inmates how long he was in for --- 60 years to life. He still has 20 years to go, if he's made it this long!

Wahoo!!!!!

PalePictures Loc: Traveling

Your premise is flawed on several fronts.
1) You can't get statistics from many countries. )Political Prisoners are in "those secret prisons" in many countries.
2) Many societies that are reported are Homogenous. Comparing apples to Oranges.
3) Drugs or drug related crimes are the NO1 reason why incarcerations happen in the U.S.

A better argument to reduce incarceration is to remove laws. Like the drug laws.
This is not popular with many.
Drug laws penalize everyone.
1) People who don't do drugs have to pay for the prison and enforcement for people who do drugs.
2) People who don't do drugs are victimized by people who do drugs.

Making drugs legal shifts the penalty from the people who don't do drugs to the people who do drugs.
1) You do drugs and abuse them enough you die. We the people don't pay for your rehabilitation. You let churches and voluntary organizations do that.
2) Our hospitalization goes down, not up. Hospitals can refuse any multiple offender taken in on drug overdose. (You remove the laws and civil actions that occur because of this.)
3) People who don't do drugs will pay for less enforcement. Crimes that people do to themselves are not crimes at all.
4) People who don't do drugs are not robbed and murdered by people who do drugs. Once you deregulate the drugs the price would be cheap. Money is the prime reason for drug crime.


Take away the profit in drugs and you take away the need for many prisons.
No one makes money. Including the drug dealers and pimps.

It might make you feel good that prisons are being built because of profit.
It fits the headline of "Greedy Capitalist"
Sorry, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy.
I also don't tow the line of any political party.
Just the facts and logic.


and finally if drugs were legal and available and produced here. You would starve the cartels to the south. You would also prevent the outflow of capital.
by the way drugs were legal here in the U.S. until the early 1900's.
Railroad were built by chinese on Heroin.
It was considered a vice not a crime.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Big mistake!!!

If they had used that $100 Mil to pay the homeless vets to stand on the Mall, his crowd would have looked BIGGER but instead he had a tiny crowd and a s a result he is not only flaccid but he is angry and is taking it out on the country for not supporting him.
Even heavy doses of Viagra don't help, he's still pissed off and his wife is still in NY!!!
SS

BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky

"The United States imprisons more people — both per capita and in absolute terms — than any other nation in the world, including Russia, China, and Iran.

Over the past four decades, imprisonment in the United States has increased explosively, spurred by criminal laws that impose steep sentences and curtail the opportunity to earn probation and parole."

Leading private prison companies essentially admit that their business model depends on high rates of incarceration. For example, in a 2010 Annual Report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest private prison company, stated: "The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by . . . leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices."

As incarceration rates skyrocket, the private prison industry expands at exponential rates, holding ever more people in its prisons and jails, and generating massive profits. Private prisons for adults were virtually non-existent until the early 1980s, but the number of prisoners in private prisons increased by approximately 1600% between 1990 and 2009."


http://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mass-incarceration

BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky

"The for-profit prison industry sells itself as a cost-effective option for cash-strapped states, but according to a new study from the University of Wisconsin, privatized prisons are keeping inmates locked up longer in order to boost profits.

Researcher Anita Mukherjee studied eight years* of data from Mississippi, which has one of the highest incarceration rates in the country, and found that private prisons there doled out twice the amount of infractions against inmates, lengthening their sentences by an average of two or three months. The extra time, Mukherjee found, adds up to an increase of about $3,000 in additional costs per prisoner. Mukherjee also noted that inmates housed in private prisons were more likely to wind up back in the system after being released—despite industry claims of lower recidivism rates."

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/06/private-prisons-profit

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Again, a whole lotta words and dogmatic assertions, with ZERO evidence to back it up. Very typical for free market religious fundamentalists like yourself.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

add the fact that private prisons are a good source of cheap labor, for in house shops. how many law abiding citizens could be making that money.

sleepy51 Loc: Makoshika Park--Montana

I don't usually get involved in these discussions but this one caught my attention.This will be interesting to watch. My son helped build the Two Rivers Detention Center in Hardin, Montana. He was on the project from beginning to end. The facility was built in 2007, and never opened the doors. There has been one employee at the facility since being built. He flushes the toilets everyday, and runs water in the sinks, and washes and folds the prison uniforms once in a while, to keep them fresh. The Texas investers thought once they built it, the state would automaticly lease it because they were short on prison cells. One can read all about it at ( Two Rivers Detention Center ) doors are still locked 10 years later......I think the investors found out Montana is only going to pay so much a day per prisoner, and it wasn't enough....

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

That's interesting. Sounds like another case in which that dogma about how "the private sector is always more efficient and cost effective than government" is disproved once again.

Now, with the new "law and order" administration that wants to ratchet up the drug war, and have been shouting "Hooray for private prisons!", maybe they will hire that empty private prison and fill it with the new marijuana criminals they will be incarcerating. Notice how the stocks of private prison companies have doubled since the election?