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Should we not enforce the laws we have?
Feb 22, 2017 11:21:32   #
James Shaw
 
If we are not to enforce the laws we have, shouldn't we get rid of them? If we should get rid of those laws, then we would be saying to non-citizens (and legals, as well, to be fair) that it is OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals).

It is plain obvious to me what the choice should be: Either enforce the laws we have or get rid of them or change them.
New Trump Deportation Rules Allow Far More Expulsions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/us/politics/dhs-immigration-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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Feb 22, 2017 11:24:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Either enforce the laws we have, or petition congress to remove or revise them. We are, after all, a nation of laws.
--Bob

James Shaw wrote:
If we are not to enforce the laws we have, shouldn't we get rid of them? If we should get rid of those laws, then we would be saying to non-citizens (and legals, as well, to be fair) that it is OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals).

It is plain obvious to me what the choice should be: Either enforce the laws we have or get rid of them or change them.
New Trump Deportation Rules Allow Far More Expulsions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/us/politics/dhs-immigration-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
If we are not to enforce the laws we have, shouldn... (show quote)

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Feb 23, 2017 04:45:34   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
I agree, I might not like their removal, or their replacement plan. but so be it. it piss's me off when the news people and the politicians say " they're breaking the law, BUT, " or "we don't want to cause more suffering", or " it will cost the consumer more". during the primaries "they" jumped all over trump and Hillary because they didn't say "radical Islamic terrorist", now "they" refuse to say "illegal aliens" or "wetbacks". go figure.

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Feb 23, 2017 05:30:42   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
rmalarz wrote:
Either enforce the laws we have, or petition congress to remove or revise them. We are, after all, a nation of laws.
--Bob


NO, we are FIRST and FORMOST a nation of immigrants!!!
SS

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Feb 23, 2017 06:20:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
“A nation of laws” means that laws, not people, rule. Everyone is to be governed by the same laws, regardless of their station; whether it is the most common American or Members of Congress, high-ranking bureaucrats or the President of the United States; all must be held to the just laws of America. -- James Schott

We are a nation of immigrants, but we are governed by laws.
--Bob

SharpShooter wrote:
NO, we are FIRST and FORMOST a nation of immigrants!!!
SS

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Feb 23, 2017 09:43:35   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
James Shaw wrote:
If we are not to enforce the laws we have, shouldn't we get rid of them? If we should get rid of those laws, then we would be saying to non-citizens (and legals, as well, to be fair) that it is OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals).

It is plain obvious to me what the choice should be: Either enforce the laws we have or get rid of them or change them.
New Trump Deportation Rules Allow Far More Expulsions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/us/politics/dhs-immigration-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
If we are not to enforce the laws we have, shouldn... (show quote)

While we may have differing opinions on immigrants, I want to be perfectly clear......

IMHO, NO ONE is saying that it's "OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals)".

You are attempting to focus ONLY on the "bad" people who enter this country.
These people could be here legally or illegally, but they should be treated the same.

If you break the law, you pay the price.
Here legally or illegally has NOTHING to do with it.

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Feb 23, 2017 10:02:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
If one is here illegally, they've already broken the law.
--Bob

chrisscholbe wrote:
While we may have differing opinions on immigrants, I want to be perfectly clear......

IMHO, NO ONE is saying that it's "OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals)".

You are attempting to focus ONLY on the "bad" people who enter this country.
These people could be here legally or illegally, but they should be treated the same.

If you break the law, you pay the price.
Here legally or illegally has NOTHING to do with it.
While we may have differing opinions on immigrants... (show quote)

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Feb 23, 2017 10:19:14   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
rmalarz wrote:
Either enforce the laws we have, or petition congress to remove or revise them. We are, after all, a nation of laws.
--Bob
SharpShooter wrote:
NO, we are FIRST and FORMOST a nation of immigrants!!!
SS

You left out the word "LEGAL." There is no need to revise the laws when applied to LEGAL immigrants. I was referring to changing the laws or discarding them if not enforced, when applied to ILLEGALS. Big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL when it comes to laws.

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Feb 23, 2017 10:20:43   #
James Shaw
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
While we may have differing opinions on immigrants, I want to be perfectly clear......

IMHO, NO ONE is saying that it's "OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals)".

You are attempting to focus ONLY on the "bad" people who enter this country.
These people could be here legally or illegally, but they should be treated the same.

If you break the law, you pay the price.
Here legally or illegally has NOTHING to do with it.
While we may have differing opinions on immigrants... (show quote)


If you are here illegally, then you have broken the law. Period.

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Feb 23, 2017 10:24:42   #
James Shaw
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
While we may have differing opinions on immigrants, I want to be perfectly clear......

IMHO, NO ONE is saying that it's "OK to enter to this country illegally and commit crimes (illegals and legals)".

You are attempting to focus ONLY on the "bad" people who enter this country.
These people could be here legally or illegally, but they should be treated the same.

If you break the law, you pay the price.
Here legally or illegally has NOTHING to do with it.
While we may have differing opinions on immigrants... (show quote)


Here legally or illegally has EVERYTHING to do with it when it comes to the law. The two cannot be treated "the same" under the law.

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Feb 23, 2017 12:48:06   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
James Shaw wrote:
Here legally or illegally has EVERYTHING to do with it when it comes to the law. The two cannot be treated "the same" under the law.

I don't care how you got here...if you break the law, you should be prosecuted.

That seems to be a difficult concept for some.

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Feb 23, 2017 15:59:04   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
James Shaw wrote:
Here legally or illegally has EVERYTHING to do with it when it comes to the law. The two cannot be treated "the same" under the law.
chrisscholbe wrote:
I don't care how you got here...if you break the law, you should be prosecuted.

That seems to be a difficult concept for some.
What you say is true, but I am specifically referring to those illegals who cross our borders and were not prosecuted or sent back. Nothing wrong with catching them and sending them back from where they came. Others who are not illegals and break are not sent back across the border. I am referring to a specific group of criminals that some in America believe should be allowed to stay in America.

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Feb 23, 2017 16:07:06   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
SharpShooter wrote:
NO, we are FIRST and FORMOST a nation of immigrants!!!
SS


LEGAL immigrants.

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Feb 23, 2017 18:48:08   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
SharpShooter wrote:
NO, we are FIRST and FORMOST a nation of immigrants!!!
SS


Shit Shooter, you are wrong again. We are a nation of laws which is quite obvious that DemoCraps don't believe in them and probably the last thing we need
is 99% of those wanting to immigrate to this country.

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