Charles 46277 wrote:
I would like a Leica rangefinder that uses 120 film, 6x9, instead of 35mm. But I can't even afford a Leica 35mm, so...
The camera you speak of exists, and for around $500 to $750 you can have it in your bag. It came out in the late 60's and was made by Fujica (later Fujifilm). It ate 120 roll film at a clip of 8 frame per roll. It was soon to be known as the "Big Texas Leica Rangefinder" and I have owned about a dozen of them. My favorite was the GL690, which shot a frame size of 6X9 CM. If you don't have a ruler handy, that frame size is 4.7 times bigger than 35mm (or your dinky full frame digital). The lenses were spectacular and came in 50mm, 65mm, 90mm (100mm), 150mm, 180mm and 250mm.
Image quality with the great Fujinon range of lenses.... eats FF digital and spits it out like Kale.
I've been packing one or another Fujica G series, or Fujifilm GW series 120 roll film medium format favorite for close to 20 years. Been through the Mamiyas, Bronicas, and lifted my nose at Hasselblads for the money and image quality.
Get yourself a big, battery free, "Texas Leica" from Fuji and you'll never ask again for a medium format rangefinder that reminds you of a Leica... and for a pittance compared to all the real Leica "dinky film" 135 rangefinders.
I even have a "go to" guy on the East Coast who rebuilt most of mine for me. Frank Marshman of CameraWiz. He's good and very reasonable. Over 40 years in the biz.
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Charles, be careful what you ask for.
It exists and it's only $500 or less on ebay.
You need a Fujica GSW 690, AKA the
Texas LeicaAlso see my later post about the earlier "interchangeable lens Texas Leica". The earlier G series 690's also shot 120 roll film at 8 frames per roll. That big negative almost makes you pee your pants when you hold it up to the light.
The GSW you mentioned has the 65MM wide Angle... the G and GW series were 100mm and 90mm fixed.
These camera's are incredible, with excellent glass, and the GW/GSW fixed lenses have the Fujinon EBC Electronic Beam Coating for flare resistance.
Kuzano wrote:
Also see my later post about the earlier "interchangeable lens Texas Leica". The earlier G series 690's also shot 120 roll film at 8 frames per roll. That big negative almost makes you pee your pants when you hold it up to the light.
The GSW you mentioned has the 65MM wide Angle... the G and GW series were 100mm and 90mm fixed.
These camera's are incredible, with excellent glass, and the GW/GSW fixed lenses have the Fujinon EBC Electronic Beam Coating for flare resistance.
Also see my later post about the earlier "int... (
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I was hoping you'd come out and play!
(Spits them out like kale?)
There are a few of these fuji's on ebay cheapest is around $200 very worn, reasonable examples below $500 too.
A huge many hundred megapixel sensor and small lens with good zoom range and aperture and leightweight peace of metal to connect the other two parts is the ultimate camera.
bwana
Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
JPL wrote:
A huge many hundred megapixel sensor and small lens with good zoom range and aperture and leightweight peace of metal to connect the other two parts is the ultimate camera.
And some way to bypass the laws of Physics to yield no noise and fabulous low light performance... My kinda camera!
bwa
blackest wrote:
I love dslr's they have something about them that make you feel you could do great things with them. I find i rebel against most other types of modern camera, they have no real appeal just plastic boxes for the most part, they don't engage me, sure i am holding the camera trying to compose the shot and trying to get the autofocus to agree with me where the focal point should be, soulless devices.
I find myself looking at vintage film camera's and ok some of them are ugly monstrosities too, but some of them i find hard not to hit the buy button.
Crazy really i have 4 film SLR's already and film is kind of awkward to deal with although i have just found a fella who processes black and white, ok it's not free like digital but it's the price of a couple of beers or maybe 2 or 3 cappuccino's these days.
I'm thinking there is a place for these range finder type camera's in todays world, or at least a digital equivalent. Manual Focus no screen on the back a mechanical shutter and aperture, no bayer array just black & white. Ok maybe a few subtle modern enhancements a focus confirmation light in the view finder.
dials rather than buttons no built in flash but perhaps a hot shoe for off camera flash. A simple fast prime lens. A digital engine inside which adjusts to ensure good exposure but pretty much that. As the photographer you are selecting the aperture setting the focus compensating for the scene's tones. I wouldn't even go for dedicated batteries just a couple of AA Cells.
Teens love black&white photo's, they are drawn to them, i think it is something that would have appeal, what do you think?
Maybe you have a better idea for a camera you would like to own if only somebody made them.
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I agree with you on this, I have two Nikon DSLRs and two Canon pocket digitals; four SLRs, Minolta and Nikon; an Olympus 35RC and a 1939 Contax. I like them all and use them all. My DSLRs are my first go-to cameras.
Interesting thread.
My 'super camera' would be a digital back, or digital film holder, for my 4x5 view camera - something like the digital X-ray 'film' for medical use. At a reasonable price, of course!
Kuzano wrote:
The camera you speak of exists, and for around $500 to $750 you can have it in your bag. It came out in the late 60's and was made by Fujica (later Fujifilm). It ate 120 roll film at a clip of 8 frame per roll. It was soon to be known as the "Big Texas Leica Rangefinder" and I have owned about a dozen of them. My favorite was the GL690, which shot a frame size of 6X9 CM. If you don't have a ruler handy, that frame size is 4.7 times bigger than 35mm (or your dinky full frame digital). The lenses were spectacular and came in 50mm, 65mm, 90mm (100mm), 150mm, 180mm and 250mm.
Image quality with the great Fujinon range of lenses.... eats FF digital and spits it out like Kale.
I've been packing one or another Fujica G series, or Fujifilm GW series 120 roll film medium format favorite for close to 20 years. Been through the Mamiyas, Bronicas, and lifted my nose at Hasselblads for the money and image quality.
Get yourself a big, battery free, "Texas Leica" from Fuji and you'll never ask again for a medium format rangefinder that reminds you of a Leica... and for a pittance compared to all the real Leica "dinky film" 135 rangefinders.
I even have a "go to" guy on the East Coast who rebuilt most of mine for me. Frank Marshman of CameraWiz. He's good and very reasonable. Over 40 years in the biz.
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Mamiya 6 and 7 series were also medium format rangefinders WITH interchangeable lenses.
blackest wrote:
I love dslr's they have something about them that make you feel you could do great things with them. I find i rebel against most other types of modern camera, they have no real appeal just plastic boxes for the most part, they don't engage me, sure i am holding the camera trying to compose the shot and trying to get the autofocus to agree with me where the focal point should be, soulless devices.
I find myself looking at vintage film camera's and ok some of them are ugly monstrosities too, but some of them i find hard not to hit the buy button.
Crazy really i have 4 film SLR's already and film is kind of awkward to deal with although i have just found a fella who processes black and white, ok it's not free like digital but it's the price of a couple of beers or maybe 2 or 3 cappuccino's these days.
I'm thinking there is a place for these range finder type camera's in todays world, or at least a digital equivalent. Manual Focus no screen on the back a mechanical shutter and aperture, no bayer array just black & white. Ok maybe a few subtle modern enhancements a focus confirmation light in the view finder.
dials rather than buttons no built in flash but perhaps a hot shoe for off camera flash. A simple fast prime lens. A digital engine inside which adjusts to ensure good exposure but pretty much that. As the photographer you are selecting the aperture setting the focus compensating for the scene's tones. I wouldn't even go for dedicated batteries just a couple of AA Cells.
Teens love black&white photo's, they are drawn to them, i think it is something that would have appeal, what do you think?
Maybe you have a better idea for a camera you would like to own if only somebody made them.
I love dslr's they have something about them that ... (
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Oh, yes. I think I have a better idea about a camera I would like to own. And because nobody is making them I am preparing to do that myself ;)
Seriously, no matter what we wish for, the future in digital cameras lies in the development of mirrorless cameras. There is so much that is possible to do with them that can never be done with a dslr. But a mirrorless can do everything a dslr can. So there is the future. Probably there will be some rangefinder models, but that is only for the retro feel, it is not very practical or useful for most people.
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