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Feb 22, 2017 04:27:21   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
n3eg wrote:
At least they've moved on from saying micro four thirds is dead. Thank you Nikon!


And Pentax and Film ...

Compact camera's are competing against cell phones , but people who love photography and want to take amazing photographs will choose to buy a camera and that to most is a DSLR, young ambitious photographers are choosing DSLR's.

Ignoring most of what that fella said, what was more interesting was the comparison between the DL and the M6 they are very similar and quite uninspiring. Nothing about them to make anyone think i'm going to take great photo's with this. They are as sexy as a binatone dect telephone. They barely seem different from your typical compact camera and the hotshoe viewfinders just look awkward.

I don't think the DL looks like a Nikon, not a Nikon you want to jump on a plane with and explore foreign lands with anyway.

The best looking camera's to my eyes are the vintage range finders, I want one, or anything with a bellows has a certain appeal or a twin lens reflex. They are sexy camera's.

A really retro looking digital range finder would be good just add a few subtle modern day conveniences like a little af confirmation light in the view finder. No lcd screen no AF, manual focus lens maybe just a subtle lcd screen to indicate the histogram and the iso. maybe don't even bother with color!

I work with teens and they love black & white photography, a camera like that would be sexy, ideal for street photography, portrait work. A nice fast prime lens
with rounded aperture blades for perfect bokeh. A camera thats going to make you work, but not too hard.

Now why don't they make a camera like that.

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Feb 22, 2017 04:39:09   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
Whether one is a lowly blogger trying to make a name for himself, like Joseph Cristina, or the President of the United States, if you shout a lie loud enough and many decades long enough, there is always a chance that we will wake up tomorrow and find it is true. Or not. That's called a self-fulfilling prophesy. I never even heard of Mr. Christina until 3am on 22 Feb 2017 and I sincerely doubt he has heard of me. That said, nothing -- repeat nothing -- is forever. Kodak, Eastern Airlines, Braniff, TWA, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Elvis, The Beatles -- I could go on and on and on. Every life (blessedly including my own) has a finite arc. Nikon and Canon may be, for the moment, on the downslope of theirs. Or not. Or they may re-invent themselves. We'll just have to wait and see. If it is true, it is also true that something else will take their place. /Ralph Wallace

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Feb 22, 2017 04:47:15   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
rjaywallace wrote:
Whether one is a lowly blogger trying to make a name for himself, like Joseph Cristina, or the President of the United States, if you shout a lie loud enough and many decades long enough, there is always a chance that we will wake up tomorrow and find it is true. Or not. That's called a self-fulfilling prophesy. I never even heard of Mr. Christina until 3am on 22 Feb 2017 and I sincerely doubt he has heard of me. That said, nothing -- repeat nothing -- is forever. Kodak, Eastern Airlines, Braniff, TWA, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Elvis, The Beatles -- I could go on and on and on. Every life (blessedly including my own) has a finite arc. Nikon and Canon may be, for the moment, on the downslope of theirs. Or not. Or they may re-invent themselves. We'll just have to wait and see. If it is true, it is also true that something else will take their place. /Ralph Wallace
Whether one is a lowly blogger trying to make a na... (show quote)


You can still listen to the Beatles and Elvis :) and Kodak has reinvented itself.

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Feb 22, 2017 09:33:31   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Be confident. Nikon has been in business since 1917 and is still a very strong, reputable company.
Olympus was in worse shape just a few years ago and look at it today.

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Feb 22, 2017 11:58:42   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
IBM wrote:
How did you find out. Dam cat ! !


Edward Snowden sent me a PM!

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Feb 22, 2017 12:43:55   #
IBM
 
BHC wrote:
Please use "Quote Reply" so we will know to whom you are referring. There are a lot of us old nut jobs here!


Dident quote , anyone , I put it in the quick reply box ' after all that's what it's for

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Feb 22, 2017 18:51:39   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Jayne wrote:
I've recently bought some new equipment, all NIKON. Now I see this and am very concerned....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msf0MSoEric&feature=youtu.be

What do my fellow Hedgehogs make this?


This is a video by Tony Northup about the Nikon announcement of loss, he makes some sense of it. Maybe it will help.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1uyJVCHDlzU

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Feb 22, 2017 22:32:13   #
Sprocket Loc: Upstate New York
 
Don't be concerned. This guy has clearly not done his homework and is simply speaking his uneducated opinion. He starts off talking about Kodak plunging because of not "staying with the times"and going digital. History shows that Steven Sasson, form Kodak, actually invented the digital camera.

In my opinion any company that can make a decision to downsize in a poor economy even after a heavy investment in their research department for a mirrorless is solidifying their future. They would not throw that money away unless they knew that they would not make a product that's profitable.

Nikon is not going anywhere.

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Feb 22, 2017 22:45:46   #
Jayne Loc: Wisconsin
 
Thanks Sprocket!


Sprocket wrote:
Don't be concerned. This guy has clearly not done his homework and is simply speaking his uneducated opinion. He starts off talking about Kodak plunging because of not "staying with the times"and going digital. History shows that Steven Sasson, form Kodak, actually invented the digital camera.

In my opinion any company that can make a decision to downsize in a poor economy even after a heavy investment in their research department for a mirrorless is solidifying their future. They would not throw that money away unless they knew that they would not make a product that's profitable.

Nikon is not going anywhere.
Don't be concerned. This guy has clearly not done ... (show quote)

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Feb 22, 2017 23:15:38   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Sprocket wrote:
Don't be concerned. This guy has clearly not done his homework and is simply speaking his uneducated opinion. He starts off talking about Kodak plunging because of not "staying with the times"and going digital. History shows that Steven Sasson, form Kodak, actually invented the digital camera.

In my opinion any company that can make a decision to downsize in a poor economy even after a heavy investment in their research department for a mirrorless is solidifying their future. They would not throw that money away unless they knew that they would not make a product that's profitable.

Nikon is not going anywhere.
Don't be concerned. This guy has clearly not done ... (show quote)


One can only guess who "this guy" is. Please enlighten us.

But just incase "this guy" you refer to is Tony Northrup, then it is clear you did not listen to much of the video. Because Tony basically said don't worry about Nikon, for now.

FYI, Stasson's camera was circa 1975 and he is often credited with inventing the digital camera. However my recollection is that spacecraft have been transmitting digital images of planetary objects back to earth, since the early 60s. No film involved in that.

And I don't understand you comment about Kodak. If Kodak "invented" the digital camera, but then they did not successfully market it, their failure do so would mean that "they did not stay with the times". From their own invention. Even more ironic.

Tony' point was that companie's have to change, in order to survive, when technology or cultures or both, change.
We are in that world today, to survive into the future, Nikon will have to change.

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Feb 22, 2017 23:49:42   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
JD750 wrote:
One can only guess who "this guy" is. Please enlighten us.

But just incase "this guy" you refer to is Tony Northrup, then it is clear you did not listen to much of the video. Because Tony basically said don't worry about Nikon, for now.

FYI, Stasson's camera was circa 1975 and he is often credited with inventing the digital camera. However my recollection is that spacecraft have been transmitting digital images of planetary objects back to earth, since the early 60s. No film involved in that.

And I don't understand you comment about Kodak. If Kodak "invented" the digital camera, but then they did not successfully market it, their failure do so would mean that "they did not stay with the times". From their own invention. Even more ironic.

Tony' point was that companies have to change, in order to survive, when technology or cultures or both, change.
We are in that world today, to survive into the future, Nikon will have to change.
One can only guess who "this guy" is. Pl... (show quote)


The "this guy" in question is JCristina from the original video and he is a "vlogger" - video log, for which there are no qualifications required. Although I'm not really a fan of Tony Northrup (he takes a long rambling approach to getting his point across) he seems far better informed than JCristina. JCristina simply does not understand how the technology industry works. Essentially his video is scaremongering click bait to pick up Youtube advertising revenue. He's presenting this as "industry analaysis" - perspective on Nikon and really doesn't have a grasp of the main issues.

Technology is a fast moving business and we are in changing economic times and market conditions. In such times companies need to readjust, sometimes restructure their work force, sometimes cancel product plans if they aren't going to meet the requirements. Also remember that Nikon is a Japanese company, which means a conservative business culture and slow changes. Take a read of Nikon's most recent annual report: http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/ar/pdf/nr2016/16nikonreport_e.pdf

I am not a Nikon user, but I have no concerns about Nikon as a company, they are just adapting to the market and doing what they need to do. I work as a consultant to the tech industry and I see no significant danger signs here for Nikon. Canon is also going through a realignment to adapt to changing market conditions. Sony has also had to do the same. It is just the nature of the beast.

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Feb 23, 2017 01:28:16   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Peterff wrote:
The "this guy" in question is JCristina from the original video and he is a "vlogger" - video log, for which there are no qualifications required. Although I'm not really a fan of Tony Northrup (he takes a long rambling approach to getting his point across) he seems far better informed than JCristina. JCristina simply does not understand how the technology industry works. Essentially his video is scaremongering click bait to pick up Youtube advertising revenue. He's presenting this as "industry analaysis" - perspective on Nikon and really doesn't have a grasp of the main issues.

Technology is a fast moving business and we are in changing economic times and market conditions. In such times companies need to readjust, sometimes restructure their work force, sometimes cancel product plans if they aren't going to meet the requirements. Also remember that Nikon is a Japanese company, which means a conservative business culture and slow changes. Take a read of Nikon's most recent annual report: http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/ar/pdf/nr2016/16nikonreport_e.pdf

I am not a Nikon user, but I have no concerns about Nikon as a company, they are just adapting to the market and doing what they need to do. I work as a consultant to the tech industry and I see no significant danger signs here for Nikon. Canon is also going through a realignment to adapt to changing market conditions. Sony has also had to do the same. It is just the nature of the beast.
The "this guy" in question is JCristina ... (show quote)


Thank you for clarifying. And thank you to the link to the report. I will check it out.

I agree about TN, he likes to hear his own voice, but in this case I think he was spot on about what Nikon could do to improve camera sales in the future.

Indeed Tech is fast moving and changing and Camera Tech is on the front of that fast moving wave of change.

Restructure their work force, cancel product plans yes business as usual in response to ups and downs in the market. But then there is paradyne change, and that is what happened to the medicinal industry when antibiotics were invented, to the horse and buggy industry when the automobile was invented, to the telegraph industry (Western Union) when the telephone was invented, to the steam engine industry when diesels locomotives were invented, and to the camera industry when the cell phone with embedded camera, was invented.

When paradyne change happens, to survive industries must go beyond the usual restructure, cancel product plans, layoffs etc. Yes those are necessary measures. Necessary but not sufficient. Those measures buy time. To survive in the long term, companies must then use that time to reposition themselves in the new market with products people want.

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Feb 23, 2017 07:16:05   #
Sprocket Loc: Upstate New York
 
I was referring to the article that the poster was referencing. Not Tony's. Why would I reference a link that someone else posted. In fact Northrop's post was spot on. Maybe you should go back and read the original post. Kodak did in fact invent the digital camera according to history. I think that it was 1973. not 1975. And I only stated this fact to prove that the "guy" from the link that the poster was referring to, not Northrop's link, clearly did not do his homework.

Before you criticize me maybe you should read the original post and click on the link.

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Feb 23, 2017 09:39:48   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
JD750 wrote:
Thank you for clarifying. And thank you to the link to the report. I will check it out.

I agree about TN, he likes to hear his own voice, but in this case I think he was spot on about what Nikon could do to improve camera sales in the future.

Indeed Tech is fast moving and changing and Camera Tech is on the front of that fast moving wave of change.

Restructure their work force, cancel product plans yes business as usual in response to ups and downs in the market. But then there is paradyne change, and that is what happened to the medicinal industry when antibiotics were invented, to the horse and buggy industry when the automobile was invented, to the telegraph industry (Western Union) when the telephone was invented, to the steam engine industry when diesels locomotives were invented, and to the camera industry when the cell phone with embedded camera, was invented.

When paradyne change happens, to survive industries must go beyond the usual restructure, cancel product plans, layoffs etc. Yes those are necessary measures. Necessary but not sufficient. Those measures buy time. To survive in the long term, companies must then use that time to reposition themselves in the new market with products people want.
Thank you for clarifying. And thank you to the lin... (show quote)


Yes, I agree, although I think you mean paradigm. Paradyne appears to be a parasite medicine for pets!

More seriously I expect Nikon to navigate these changes OK, but it is hard to get it perfect in such changing conditions. Canon has to navigate the same waters and is clearly doing so as it tests the mirrorless market.

I think part of the problem is that the consumer digital camera market is relatively new in comparison to the experience of many UHH members, especially the pace at which it changes. To those of us that have lived our lives in the tech industry it is just business as usual.

Trying to move too fast is also dangerous as Samsung found out with its exploding phones.

Cheers

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Feb 23, 2017 10:00:19   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Peterff wrote:
Yes, I agree, although I think you mean paradigm. Paradyne appears to be a parasite medicine for pets!

More seriously I expect Nikon to navigate these changes OK, but it is hard to get it perfect in such changing conditions. Canon has to navigate the same waters and is clearly doing so as it tests the mirrorless market.

I think part of the problem is that the consumer digital camera market is relatively new in comparison to the experience of many UHH members, especially the pace at which it changes. To those of us that have lived our lives in the tech industry it is just business as usual.

Trying to move too fast is also dangerous as Samsung found out with its exploding phones.

Cheers
Yes, I agree, although I think you mean paradigm. ... (show quote)


That was too much battery in too little space, samsung are going to rerelease the line but with a smaller battery 3000-3200ma instead of 3,500ma i think the destination for them will be india amongst some others. Better than scrapping them completely.

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