blackest wrote:
Thank you , I really enjoyed that article.
I think the fly in the ointment is processing, it's a bit like the raw and jpeg argument some people like to process others don't.
To really work, there needs to be processing and scanning at a good resolution available.
Even today i can find a frontier machine which scans film and uses a lazer to produce photographic prints price goes as low as 17 cents for a color 6 by 4
Black & white processing is more scarce, and most inkjet printers are not up to the job of producing high quality black & white prints. Ok in the Us you can get some highend printers very reasonable after rebate but that doesn't exist in europe and certainly there is no comparison in printing costs.
I'm trying to make it happen here in ireland, i have found someone to process black&white, but they are setup for boutique type printing not a heres your 24 6x4's that existed and still exists for colour film.
I don't believe i'm the only one with lenses i use for digital that can also be used with film and i have film bodies to use them with too.
If i can head out for a weekend and shoot a roll of black & white film put it in the post on monday and have prints by friday. I would be doing it regularly.
I can't be the only one who has been through the scanning negatives phase, it was a right chore and i don't want to do it again and i don't want a low res scan that is barely enough for a 6 x 4!
Is there any need to cut negatives? I wonder if that frontier machine in town could handle scanning a black & white film...
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If you are going to use B&W film, you need to process and scan it yourself or find a good lab. Such labs are RARE. Even in the heydays of film, unless you were in a large metropolitan area, finding a lab that treated B&W as anything other than an annoyance was a problem.
Labs don't make any money on 4x6 color prints. The dirty little secret is that the cost of making an 8x10 is only pennies more than making a 4x6 (80 square inches of paper vs 24 square inches of paper that quite often costs (way) less than $.35 per square FOOT in large quantities. You have marginally more chemistry, and a bigger envelope, but the same labor, power, water, and overhead. But psychologically, we think an 8x10 is worth more, and a 16x20 is worth a LOT more. So we pay more.
B&W is another matter. MOST labs hate it, because the volume is so low, they can't make money on it. They want to use a chromogenic paper and run it through EP2 or their Fuji equivalent color process. And that "dye cloud" image is never as rich as a genuine silver print or a pigmented inkjet print, for that matter.
Professionals ordering hand enlargements or scans have long cut their negatives into strips. Since 1968, I cut mine into six strips of six, plus the frame or two leftover at the end of the roll, if it was worthy. Six strips fit on an 8x10 contact proofing frame... Most labs do not want 35mm negatives cut individually, since they are so fragile. You order by edge number.
Some labs use roll film scanners, which can scan up to 100 feet of film automatically. We had nine of them (Bremson HR500+) at the lab where I worked. They cost $50,000 each, and that was before the network and the server and the Kodak DP2 license... Alas, they are now obsolete, and parts are hard to find. But they could make huge files.
GREAT B&W film processing can be done in a light room, using a daylight tank, loaded in a changing bag or completely dark closet. End to end process takes around 30 minutes:
Developer 4 to 12 minutes (typical range, depending on the formula and dilution)
Stop Bath (30 seconds)
Rapid Fixer with Hardener (2-4 minutes)
Hypo Clearing Agent (2 minutes or less, depending on brand)
Wash in running water (5 to 10 minutes)
Wetting agent (Photo-Flo) 30 seconds
Squeegee and hang in a dust free area (bathtub with shower head and shower curtain works great) (about an hour)
If you keep all the chemicals at 68°F/20°C by using a big tub of water that you bring to temperature with the tank and chem bottles in it, you can get very repeatable results.
Find the Time Life Library of Photography at a library or used book store and read
The Darkroom volume. It's still pretty accurate... B&W processing has not changed much since World War II (!). That book was written in the late 1960s and revised for the 1980s.
Once you have great negatives, you can scan them at high resolution on any Epson V-series scanner and do whatever you want with the files.
OR, you can re-photograph the negatives, using a digital camera with quality 1:1 macro lens, and raw mode. A 16 to 24 MP file can be enlarged mighty large, and retains nearly all the detail and grain of the original image.