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Feb 17, 2017 10:45:04   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
green wrote:
...it's sure got Trump running scared!

actually, liberals that believe in the Constitution are a real thing... you won't read that at lifezette.com though, so whatever.


How about on here? No?
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Feb 17, 2017 10:48:05   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
green wrote:
individual liberty is the thing that scares governments more than anything.


I am not a conspiracy guy. I think socialism is an evolution that may be impossible to stop.
I would say more precisely that Individual liberty bothers those in government when it doesn't work.
Those in government pass laws to correct one thing that has unintended consequence.
Those unintended consequences in many case become more harmful than the problems of the Individual Liberty.
You will notice that I typically don't demonize people here.
No one is a demon just because they don't agree with me.
I do find it ironic that those that demonize me would allow a government to initiate force against me.
I would not demonize them and would not condone a government initiating force against them.
The progression is
Liberty=>Socialism=>Fascism=>Destruction
We can all stop at any point. I am truly to the left.
We stop at Liberty and go no further.

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Feb 17, 2017 10:59:58   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
green wrote:
...it's sure got Trump running scared!

actually, liberals that believe in the Constitution are a real thing... you won't read that at lifezette.com though, so whatever.


So making people with religious convictions contrary to killing the unborn pay for it is AKA "liberal liberty" and because the SCOTUS violated the Constitution by not protecting innocent life it is now Constitutional!
How Hitler can you get?

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Feb 17, 2017 11:04:59   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
idaholover wrote:
A great companion to Hayek is "The Conservative Mind" by Kirk! Although not a direct reference to the author of Road it is the best philosophical perspective for arguing for conservatism.

I'll have to get that one.
I've read a lot of economics on both sides. In my earlier days I read quite a few economic books from Socialist type economist.
One was Ravi Batra. It's been along time.
I rejected their(socialist) theory after reading Von Mises "Human Treaties'
Lately I've been looking into the difference between the Chicago school of Economics and the Austrian School.
Both reach similar ends with different methodologies.
Milton Friedman did more to explain in Lay terms the benefits of capitalism and free markets than anyone.

It does amaze me that many have economic opinions and have never read a book by an economist.

I actually don't consider myself conservative but classically liberal....Which is actually more conservative today. The "LEFT" has almost completely left true liberalism.

I could care less about gay marriage if there wasn't a marital benefit associated with it. To me marriage is a contract from the government perspective. When the government formed social security it had marital consequences for benefits. This effectively creates a monetary incentive by government for gay unions. That is the only reason I oppose Gay marriage.

I am for the legalization of all drugs...Not conservative. Again I look at the merits and unintended consequences of any loss of liberty.

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Feb 17, 2017 11:07:56   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
idaholover wrote:
So making people with religious convictions contrary to killing the unborn pay for it is AKA "liberal liberty" and because the SCOTUS violated the Constitution by not protecting innocent life it is now Constitutional!
How Hitler can you get?
yes, absolutely...

believing in the Constitution = Hitler


I cannot argue your logic

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Feb 17, 2017 11:09:38   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
PalePictures wrote:
I'll have to get that one.
I've read a lot of economics on both sides. In my earlier days I read quite a few economic books from Socialist type economist.
One was Ravi Batra. It's been along time.
I rejected their(socialist) theory after reading Von Mises "Human Treaties'
Lately I've been looking into the difference between the Chicago school of Economics and the Austrian School.
Both reach similar ends with different methodologies.
Milton Friedman did more to explain in Lay terms the benefits of capitalism and free markets than anyone.

It does amaze me that many have economic opinions and have never read a book by an economist.

I actually don't consider myself conservative but classically liberal....Which is actually more conservative today. The "LEFT" has almost completely left true liberalism.

I could care less about gay marriage if there wasn't a marital benefit associated with it. To me marriage is a contract from the government perspective. When the government formed social security it had marital consequences for benefits. This effectively creates a monetary incentive by government for gay unions. That is the only reason I oppose Gay marriage.

I am for the legalization of all drugs...Not conservative. Again I look at the merits and unintended consequences of any loss of liberty.
I'll have to get that one. br I've read a lot of e... (show quote)



It looks like you have to often explain to people that you don't fit into their boxes.

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Feb 17, 2017 11:15:09   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
PalePictures wrote:
I'll have to get that one.
I've read a lot of economics on both sides. In my earlier days I read quite a few economic books from Socialist type economist.
One was Ravi Batra. It's been along time.
I rejected their(socialist) theory after reading Von Mises "Human Treaties'
Lately I've been looking into the difference between the Chicago school of Economics and the Austrian School.
Both reach similar ends with different methodologies.
Milton Friedman did more to explain in Lay terms the benefits of capitalism and free markets than anyone.

It does amaze me that many have economic opinions and have never read a book by an economist.

I actually don't consider myself conservative but classically liberal....Which is actually more conservative today. The "LEFT" has almost completely left true liberalism.

I could care less about gay marriage if there wasn't a marital benefit associated with it. To me marriage is a contract from the government perspective. When the government formed social security it had marital consequences for benefits. This effectively creates a monetary incentive by government for gay unions. That is the only reason I oppose Gay marriage.

I am for the legalization of all drugs...Not conservative. Again I look at the merits and unintended consequences of any loss of liberty.
I'll have to get that one. br I've read a lot of e... (show quote)


In regard to "government licensing". The government takes away your rights so they can sell them back to you.

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Feb 17, 2017 11:16:44   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
green wrote:
yes, absolutely...

believing in the Constitution = Hitler


I cannot argue your logic


No, usurping the constitution to enslave people equals Hitler.

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Feb 17, 2017 11:23:09   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
green wrote:
yes, absolutely...

believing in the Constitution = Hitler


I cannot argue your logic


You fell off the fence and whacked your head on a liberal rock too …

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Feb 17, 2017 11:54:12   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
idaholover wrote:
In regard to "government licensing". The government takes away your rights so they can sell them back to you.


I would say government taxes your rights.
They also regulate your rights.
I tend to believe the "General Welfare" clause should more closely follow Madison than Hamilton.
Hamilton basically argued for the unlimited monetary funding for the General Welfare.
Madison believed that General Welfare should be limited to ensure only Constitutional rights.

Because of the way things were, Resource pollution was not considered during the founding. It was a flaw.
However, The EPA has gone way to far in many areas. The "Tragedy of the Commons", which I often quote showed the downfall of commonly own land. The founders at the time were well aware of this.
I am glad we had the EPA to help ensure clean air and water. I also believe the regulations when they are no longer needed should be stricken.
Libertarianism has a fundamental flaw in one area and that deals with the environment.
A second flaw would probably be the view on the Military funding.
Because we have Nukes now. You have to have a centralized military. That was not the case at the founding.
The arguments against laissez faire capitalism by the left is weak. The libertarians and conservatives are right in that area.... In my opinions.
I have never felt threatened because someone has more than someone else. No matter how much more they have. I have no qualms about how they got it unless it was taken by force or fraud(aka Bernie Madoff) In the really big picture Wealth after it is collected never last longer than a generation or two. It gets redistributed to a new people in a new time that innovate.
AKA
Larry Ellison, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Stephen Jobs...
It would be no different without Government regulation and taxation.
I support the rights of voluntary collectives. The Church, Feminist, Hollywood(LOL), AMA(both of them).........
Where I have a problem is with collectives promote by using government coercion to remove one persons or other groups liberty.
You tax A to support B. One of the governments job is to prevent force of voluntary collectives. Taxation is force.
Business do this too. Big companies lobby congress to initiate force(regulate) small business development.

I think I'll take a break now....I've been posting here to practice my writing skills mainly. Time to create a little wealth now.

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Feb 17, 2017 11:57:02   #
Abo
 
Bazbo wrote:
This woman was five years old at the end of the war. She does not know Nazism from shit. She might (not likely, but possible) have dim memories of food shortages and a society collapsing, but to think that she is some sort of expert on the Nazis is just delusional.


Bazbo's right dear readers, "Inga" was 5 when WWII ended. At 5 years old (and still to young to reason properly) all the
Nazis had shot themselves or were in prison or being contracted by the USA to design missiles or contracted
by Australia to design advanced aeronautical communications, navigation and surveillance systems.

Anyway, during Hitlers ultimate rise to power in 1933 (Chancellor of Germany) she was not even a smile
on her fathers face.

Any likeness that people draw between Trump and Hitler can only be related to Hitlers rise to power
as Trumps Presidency is still in its infancy.

Inga has first hand knowledge of post Nazi Germany, (see tragic photo"Rubble Woman" below.) however she is too
young to have had first hand experience of Nazi Germany. Two absolutely and completely different states of being... between
Hitlers rise to ultimate power in 1933 when he acquired the Chancellery and WWII (NAZI Germany), Germany
was more prosperous than it had ever been since WWI.

Hopefully not to put too fine a point on it, At 5 years old when Inga was acquiring the "seeds" of reasoning, Germany
was in no way "NAZI"... Berlin was controlled and administered by England, USA and USSR. a Monarchy, a Constitutional Federal Republic
and a Socialist Republic.... That is what her infantile memory recorded.

It's appalling that the allied authorities vetted "Inga" for being a NAZI, her being 5 years old at the end of WWII and all.


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"Rubble Woman" POST NAZI Germany (Berlin)
"Rubble Woman" POST NAZI Germany (Berlin)...

NAZI Germany (Berlin)
NAZI Germany (Berlin)...

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Feb 17, 2017 11:58:33   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
green wrote:
It looks like you have to often explain to people that you don't fit into their boxes.


I have my opinions just like everyone else.
I like to think is use logic and reason not emotion to come to my conclusions.
I trade stocks for a living now. If you are not objective, the market will take every dime you have.
The market is like the sea....It treats the just and unjust all the same.

As a free man and free thinker, I fit into no ones box.

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Feb 17, 2017 12:16:41   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Bazbo wrote:
This woman was five years old at the end of the war. She does not know Nazism from shit. She might (not likely, but possible) have dim memories of food shortages and a society collapsing, but to think that she is some sort of expert on the Nazis is just delusional.


You are the pathetic cocksucker here. Sorry Inga isn't capable of learning the history she was born into from her relatives and provided false documentation of her existence. It sure didn't bother your pathetic, hateful ass when Obama did it!
I consider it an honor to be a tumor in your head. Hope the hell I am malignant!

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Feb 17, 2017 12:18:31   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
idaholover wrote:
You are the pathetic cocksucker here. Sorry Inga isn't capable of learning the history she was born into from her relatives and provided false documentation of her existence. It sure didn't bother your pathetic, hateful ass when Obama did it!
I consider it an honor to be a tumor in your head. Hope the hell I am malignant!



why are you so angry? your side won the election, yeah!

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Feb 17, 2017 12:21:42   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
I can't count the times Babozo's hypocrite ass was on here pontificating about what's what and who's who regarding shit he was not personally part and parcel to! What a phony fucker.

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