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Feb 6, 2017 09:40:07   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Wished they had something to say about the escort vessels; names, types, etc.

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Feb 6, 2017 10:15:44   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
John_F wrote:
Wished they had something to say about the escort vessels; names, types, etc.


How many ships are in a carrier group?
It is composed of roughly 7,500 personnel, an aircraft carrier, at least one cruiser, a destroyer squadron of at least two destroyers and/or frigates, and a carrier air wing of 65 to 70 aircraft. A carrier strike group also, on occasion, includes submarines, attached logistics ships and a supply ship.

That's a "semi-official" accounting. Personally, from my own highly unofficial research, the subs are there more than 'on occasion.' These are attack subs.
The cruiser and other surface ships are normally guided missile ships, and there is at least one early warning radar plane aloft to spot incoming danger.

And such groupings as the one shown here are usually near a military stronghold, so that defense is available from more than just the grouping of ships.

As others have said, a nice presentation, if somewhat misleading in its captions.
A 4000nm range by a carrier-launched fighter? Even as a fictional plane, that's really stretching it, unless refueling is done.

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Feb 6, 2017 10:41:41   #
mwoods222 Loc: Newburg N.Y,
 
Gives confidence thanks

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Feb 6, 2017 11:01:33   #
ntonkin Loc: western Upper Peninusla of Michigan
 
Robert, You might want to do a little research into the defensive capability of our Carrier Strike Groups. Even the unclassified defensive capabilities are pretty awesome if you could see the complete picture, I'm sure you would be far less worried about the vulnerability of three groups being together if, in fact, that would ever happen. I very suspect that the photo in the slide show is concocted similar to the futuristic fighter (which is a movie prop). I can think of NO rational reason that three carrier strike groups would be steaming together.
The tales of our Navy being vulnerable to some other navy or some new weapon is clearly military-industrial complex propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_strike_group

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Feb 6, 2017 13:25:36   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
ntonkin wrote:
Robert, You might want to do a little research into the defensive capability of our Carrier Strike Groups. Even the unclassified defensive capabilities are pretty awesome if you could see the complete picture, I'm sure you would be far less worried about the vulnerability of three groups being together if, in fact, that would ever happen. I very suspect that the photo in the slide show is concocted similar to the futuristic fighter (which is a movie prop). I can think of NO rational reason that three carrier strike groups would be steaming together.
The tales of our Navy being vulnerable to some other navy or some new weapon is clearly military-industrial complex propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_strike_group
Robert, You might want to do a little research int... (show quote)


May I introduce you to my buddy "Mr Murphy".
I know what the capabilities are supposed to be, in theory. Theory doesn't fight or win wars, reality does. But they have never really been put to the test by a full bore all out conflict with a major power. War games and computer simulations do not count.
I also think the modern ships with only one or at most two guns are a bad idea. Have a conflict with a major player in which the missiles get used up, supplies don't get through and that one gun is either damaged or has a mechanical failure. You then have a large, expensive floating radar platform named "Target". Some old fashioned decrepit rebuilt 5 times by three navies all gun destroyer or frigate comes along and...

It is like the German weapons (esp tanks) of WW II, very high tech, very expensive and slow to build, very deadly when they worked and had fuel/ammo. Swarmed under by numbers in the case of the Shermans and T34s manned by determined crews who were willing (at least their generals were willing) to take casualties to get through and win.

We have the same problem the WW II Germans had, high tech gee wiz weapons that cost too much, don't have enough of them to outlast the guys with the "good enough" gear etc.

The enemy of "good" is not "bad", it is "perfect". Try to build the "perfect" anything and you end up with an impressive (when it works, F-35 anyone?), expensive item you can build in smaller numbers. Then you worry yourself sick that Murphy is going to come along when you actually need it to work. And you pray that the need is over before those small numbers are all used up.

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Feb 6, 2017 17:12:57   #
waldron7 Loc: State of Confusion
 
No F-37!! Fictional plane "produced" for the movie "Stealth".

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Feb 6, 2017 17:46:22   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
One factor that affected the Germans was attacking the Soviet Union. Germany simply did not have the mass of war materiel to wage a two front war. Their Tiger tanks were formidible en masse or strictly one-on-one and their 88 mm gun was accurate. The Germans did not have a virtually bottomless pit of man power. The Soviet and USA populations did. For every Tiger knocked out a crew was eliminated.

robertjerl wrote:
May I introduce you to my buddy "Mr Murphy".
I know what the capabilities are supposed to be, in theory. Theory doesn't fight or win wars, reality does. But they have never really been put to the test by a full bore all out conflict with a major power. War games and computer simulations do not count.
I also think the modern ships with only one or at most two guns are a bad idea. Have a conflict with a major player in which the missiles get used up, supplies don't get through and that one gun is either damaged or has a mechanical failure. You then have a large, expensive floating radar platform named "Target". Some old fashioned decrepit rebuilt 5 times by three navies all gun destroyer or frigate comes along and...

It is like the German weapons (esp tanks) of WW II, very high tech, very expensive and slow to build, very deadly when they worked and had fuel/ammo. Swarmed under by numbers in the case of the Shermans and T34s manned by determined crews who were willing (at least their generals were willing) to take casualties to get through and win.

We have the same problem the WW II Germans had, high tech gee wiz weapons that cost too much, don't have enough of them to outlast the guys with the "good enough" gear etc.

The enemy of "good" is not "bad", it is "perfect". Try to build the "perfect" anything and you end up with an impressive (when it works, F-35 anyone?), expensive item you can build in smaller numbers. Then you worry yourself sick that Murphy is going to come along when you actually need it to work. And you pray that the need is over before those small numbers are all used up.
May I introduce you to my buddy "Mr Murphy&qu... (show quote)

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Feb 6, 2017 17:59:08   #
ntonkin Loc: western Upper Peninusla of Michigan
 
And... may I introduce you to the 21st century. When we don't have continual wars to test our equipment and train our soldiers sailors and airmen, we develop simulators and war gaming. War games and simulations DO count! This was verified during the Iraq invasion. And, in case you haven't been paying attention, we earthlings don't do "big wars" anymore. All these expensive, high tech weapons that rarely work are far too deadly. The major powers prefer to engage in frequent small proxy wars which are almost continually ongoing.
Where are these guys that will outlast us with the "good enough" weaponry?

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Feb 6, 2017 18:56:58   #
Michael Hartley Loc: Deer Capital of Georgia
 
Peace...Through, SUPERIOR FIRE POWER! Salute!

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Feb 6, 2017 18:59:47   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
ntonkin wrote:
And... may I introduce you to the 21st century. When we don't have continual wars to test our equipment and train our soldiers sailors and airmen, we develop simulators and war gaming. War games and simulations DO count! This was verified during the Iraq invasion. And, in case you haven't been paying attention, we earthlings don't do "big wars" anymore. All these expensive, high tech weapons that rarely work are far too deadly. The major powers prefer to engage in frequent small proxy wars which are almost continually ongoing.
Where are these guys that will outlast us with the "good enough" weaponry?
And... may I introduce you to the 21st century. W... (show quote)

Ever heard of a place called China? Or Russia as long as they are prepared to bleed enough.

No long all out wars! hmmm, Along about 100 years ago Europe hadn't fought anything but small, low level wars or quick strike wars for nearly 100 years and didn't believe they had to worry about big long wars anymore. Then came a little thing that ended up with the name World War I and aprx 20 years later version II came along.

Retired history teacher. History is full of "it can't happen" things that jumped up to bite a lot of "experts" in the rear.

I see USS Cole is off Yemen. Once upon a time that same ship was out of service for over a year because of two fanatics in a fiberglass speed boat with aprx 700 lbs of explosives.

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Feb 6, 2017 21:44:09   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
This is awesome. Too bad so many Americans have already forgotten 911.

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