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Jan 19, 2017 13:58:11   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Sounds like you want a Sony A99 II

Regardless of any confusion caused by the OP's flight of ideas, and regardless of its quality and usefulness, the SONY A99 II may appear DSLR like, but as a mirrorless camera it is not a DSLR.

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Jan 19, 2017 15:50:34   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
SharpShooter wrote:
RM, you are correct, the big Montanan was just being his usual belligerent self.
The op does have a Canon DSLR. So the assumption can be made he has at least a couple of IS kit lenses to go with it.
That's why I suggested he get an EOS film body and his objective for a stabalized film SLR would be met.
I'll admit, most don't want to get rid of all their old junk, but at some point we must leave the Model-T behind and move on so we can progress and not stand in the past!!!
SS


My initial response was intended to be humorous. I understood Montana' response as far as a good suggestion for a camera, but, since the actual question was about film cameras...!? I don't know, maybe folks farther from the coasts don't have a similar sense of humor as folks closer to the coasts.

As for old junk, when I put my 5Dsr back in the cabinet, it sits next to my A1.

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Jan 19, 2017 18:22:03   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Slight point of correction; the A99II actually DOES have a mirror... it just doesn't flap up and down.

That's why Sony calls it and others in their lineup that use the same technology, DSLT.

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Jan 19, 2017 23:25:06   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SharpShooter wrote:
70, welcome to the Hog.
So, is your goal to shoot film or to shoot as old school as possible?
Why don't you move into a film camera that is NOT analogue if stabilization is important to you?
I shoot film but derive absolutely no type of zen from it being old school. I just want to get the film look for some shots or projects.
I shoot a Canon EOS 1n. It's an early pro EOS film body that uses every current lens Canon makes along with stabilized lenses. I can carry one set of lenses and share them on two bodies, one digi and one film, as needed.
The 1n has all the functions my latest digi cameras have just not as advanced since it going on 20 years old!!
Just get a film body that will use your modern lenses if they're stabilized, but if they depend on body stabilization, then you might be dead in the water!
Good luck with your quest for stabilization.
Again, welcome to the Hog!
SS
70, welcome to the Hog. br So, is your goal to sh... (show quote)


exactly what I'm doing and a seamless transition between film and digital when needed (even the controls are similar)

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Jan 20, 2017 06:44:41   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
KIS, KEEP IT SIMPLE, for stabilization of an old film camera weight and grip are important. Get a tennis ball, insert a 1/4 20 brass or plastic screw, iron if absolutely needed. The screw should stick up perhaps 1.25" The ball has a slit at the bottom... pour in plaster of Paris. Ebay sells camera nuts with rubber cushion.

Once mounted on the camera.... grip the ball with the screw between index and middle finger of left hand. The butt of the right thumb [the lower part , palm of thumb] is held against the ball. The camera as usual is against the forehead. The grip and the inertia of the cement like material....grout, plaster of Paris etc is an inertia that greatly reduces the shake of the camera.

Go to Ebay search "camera stabilizer" also for the nut mentioned above... "camera nut" lots of gadgets will pop up.

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Jan 20, 2017 08:36:43   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
MT Shooter wrote:
What film? YOU asked for a "DSLR", I recommended the one DSLR that fulfilled your requirements. "D" means Digital.
Stabilization technology came along years after the demise of film camera development.


He didn't ask about a DSLR Nimno. He asked about a SLR.

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Jan 20, 2017 08:53:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
devildancer70 wrote:
I know that I'm setting myself up for some ridicule by asking this question, but are there are any SLRs that have image stabilization? I have fallen back to film for the trip that I'm currently undertaking and am finding it somewhat relaxing to be old school again even with having to waiting for film processing. I have DSLR's a plenty: Sony A57, Canon SL1, Canon point and shoot.

I'm currently shooting with 2 Minolta SLRs: 650si and QT si and a good assortment of lenses. The A-mounts will work on my A57 without any problem. The back of my mind is that I would like to do a full frame DSLR: Sony A7 ii, with the attachment for the A-mounts.

I would like to stay with the Minolta product line. Had a 400si a number of years ago and lots of lenses.

Any advice gladly accepted.

dave
I know that I'm setting myself up for some ridicul... (show quote)


One word: tripod

"The body must have some sensor over the image plane that can detect image movement; and distinguish it from brightness variation, which asks for a set of detectors.
This set of detectors must be coupled to the electronic control of the stabilizing element inside the lens."
http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?threads/film-cameras-and-image-stabilization.37888/

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Jan 20, 2017 08:56:53   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
35mm film cameras that I know of are no longer in production although I am not sure if medium format cameras are still being made. Large format cameras use film but from what I know their sale is very limited, perhaps non existent.
No film camera has image stabilization. That is a technology that began with the introduction of digital cameras.

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Jan 20, 2017 09:40:49   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
devildancer70 wrote:
I know that I'm setting myself up for some ridicule by asking this question, but are there are any SLRs that have image stabilization? I have fallen back to film for the trip that I'm currently undertaking and am finding it somewhat relaxing to be old school again even with having to waiting for film processing. I have DSLR's a plenty: Sony A57, Canon SL1, Canon point and shoot.

I'm currently shooting with 2 Minolta SLRs: 650si and QT si and a good assortment of lenses. The A-mounts will work on my A57 without any problem. The back of my mind is that I would like to do a full frame DSLR: Sony A7 ii, with the attachment for the A-mounts.

I would like to stay with the Minolta product line. Had a 400si a number of years ago and lots of lenses.

Any advice gladly accepted.

dave
I know that I'm setting myself up for some ridicul... (show quote)


As I understand it... you are wanting a 35mm film SLR with image stabilization. Only in-lens stabilization will work with film cameras. And only the Canon EOS system actually offered some IS lenses when film was still in wide usage, in the mid- to late-1990s. By about 2005-2008All other manufacturers eventually followed Canon's lead and added some form of stabilization, but a lot of them only use in-camera stabilization, which is only possible with digital.

If you were to go with Canon, all EOS cameras will work fine with all Canon EF lenses. But, Canon EF-S lenses will not fit and work on any of the EOS film cameras. Third party "crop only" lenses will fit, but would vignette heavily, since for all practical purposes all EOS film cameras are "full frame".

Later Nikon VR lenses can in some cases be used on earlier film cameras (and I think Nikon still makes one or two film cameras). You should carefully check for compatibility of lenses on any given camera, though. And you'll be limited to FX lenses (full frame capable).

There are only a few Sony lenses with built-in stabilization (I think they call it "OSS"). I don't know if any of them are backward compatible to any Minolta film cameras. I suspect not.

For the large part Sony's stabilization is in-camera, which of course is "digital only" and will not be found in any Minolta film cameras.

Pentax, Olympus and all other manufacturers I'm aware of only do in-camera stabilization, so are "digital only".

Finally, you mention wanting "full frame" too... if you are referring to the film camera, for all practical purpose they are all full frame. There were a few half-frame on 35mm cameras, but not many of those were SLRs using interchangeable lenses, and most half-frame cameras were made in the 1950s to 1980s. There also were a few interchangeable lens SLRs using other film formats (such as the Canon EOS IX cameras that used APS film).

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Jan 20, 2017 09:49:45   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I know of no analog SLR camera that uses in body image stabilization.


If you think about it... the reason for that is pretty obvious.

In-body stabilization works by detecting motion and then correcting or counteracting that movement by physically moving the sensor the opposite direction.

A film camera has no sensor. It has a roll of film instead. There simply is no way to "move the film" around, to effect in-body stabilization. That's impossible.

So with film cameras the only possibility is in-lens stabilization.

An alternative would be a Steady Cam, some of which can be used on any SLR.... Google it for info. You may not want to lug one of those around when traveling, though.

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Jan 20, 2017 09:56:31   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
dpullum wrote:
KIS, KEEP IT SIMPLE, for stabilization of an old film camera weight and grip are important. Get a tennis ball, insert a 1/4 20 brass or plastic screw, iron if absolutely needed. The screw should stick up perhaps 1.25" The ball has a slit at the bottom... pour in plaster of Paris. Ebay sells camera nuts with rubber cushion.

Once mounted on the camera.... grip the ball with the screw between index and middle finger of left hand. The butt of the right thumb [the lower part , palm of thumb] is held against the ball. The camera as usual is against the forehead. The grip and the inertia of the cement like material....grout, plaster of Paris etc is an inertia that greatly reduces the shake of the camera.

Go to Ebay search "camera stabilizer" also for the nut mentioned above... "camera nut" lots of gadgets will pop up.
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How about the "poor man's tripod"?

Piece of 1/4" rope about 6 ft. long.

Tie a knot in one end. Tie a 1/4" coarse threaded bolt (same thread as the tripod socket in the camera) to the other end.

Fasten the cord to the camera's tripod socket with the bolt. Let the knotted end of the cord drop to the ground and step on it with one foot, making the cord taut. Take your shot.

It also rolls up nice and small to stow in a jacket pocket.

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Jan 20, 2017 10:07:49   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
amfoto1 wrote:
How about the "poor man's tripod"? .

The Poor Man's Tripod has been around for a long time... time does not diminish the effectiveness of the simple things in life.

I have a bunch of sophisticated junk; money poorly invested ... the simple things are smaller lower cost and do the job. Couple these thing with an excellent camera like the Canon SX50 and you have a studio on the go 24/7.

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Jan 20, 2017 10:41:30   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Sony lenses with OSS are E mount only, and not compatible with either Minolta or Sony A mount cameras.

3rd Party A mount lenses do not offer stabilization because ALL Sony A mount cameras feature Steady Shot sensor shift stabilization.

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Jan 20, 2017 14:14:57   #
Billy Bob
 
I have a Canon SX50HS with stabilization but its a bridge camera. Try one out and see what it can do.

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Jan 20, 2017 15:38:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
devildancer70 wrote:
I know that I'm setting myself up for some ridicule by asking this question, but are there are any SLRs that have image stabilization? I have fallen back to film for the trip that I'm currently undertaking and am finding it somewhat relaxing to be old school again even with having to waiting for film processing. I have DSLR's a plenty: Sony A57, Canon SL1, Canon point and shoot.

I'm currently shooting with 2 Minolta SLRs: 650si and QT si and a good assortment of lenses. The A-mounts will work on my A57 without any problem. The back of my mind is that I would like to do a full frame DSLR: Sony A7 ii, with the attachment for the A-mounts.

I would like to stay with the Minolta product line. Had a 400si a number of years ago and lots of lenses.

Any advice gladly accepted.

dave
I know that I'm setting myself up for some ridicul... (show quote)


Many interesting suggestions.
I am guessing Sony has IS bodies but they are digital.
In order to have IS for a film body you will have to have lenses with IS built into the body I am guessing you have EFs lenses for the SL1 and they will not work or mount on a film body due to vignetting as they do not cover the full 35mm format.
If you do have EF lenses with IS you can pick up a good quality used EOS film camera very cheap for the Rebels and 650-620 era bodies and they will work perfectly with any current EF lens with full IS and any other features in the lens. This is the beauty of the Canon system you do not lose any features of your lenses no matter what body it is mounted on film or digital.
So I suggest you start investing into EF lenses and a EOS film body. The EF lenses will work beautifully with no loss of features on your SL1 as well.

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