sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

also doesn't it take more faith to believe out of total nothingness came a big bang, then to believe there is an intelligent desiner? The bible is not wrong anywhere in it. The more atheists try to prove it wrong the more they get converted into devout christians such as cs lewis or lee stobbel. Having had personnal expierences with and healing of my knees from little cartilage and arthiritis, I don't belive there is a god, I KNOW for a fact there is a God and his name is Jesus which is greek for the aramiac joshua which translates as jehova savior.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Without giving any indication of the time frames involved, your message has no import. We're these massive floods concurrent or did they take place millions of years apart?

It would be useful if you offered a citation or two supporting your claim by identifying who these scientists are. I do a fair amount of reading in science and have never seen mention of this claim.

Once you provide some support to your claim, we can discuss it

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Sure... As soon as you tell me where god came from. Lacking support for your claim about miraculous conversions of atheists, I think your just making it up. What other explanation fits the data from the Pew surveys that the number of people answering "none" to the question of their religion keeps climbing?

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Double post.

SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina

The conversion experience of CS Lewis:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/SPIRIT/cslewconv.HTM

SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina

Lee Strobel's experience:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Case-Christ-Lee-Strobel/dp/B000SAGGPA

More here:
http://www.leestrobel.com/Bio.php

GrandmaJoy Loc: North Carolina

Mister Wilson. Beautiful rainbow and the truth is often difficult for some to understand. God stands true to His Word.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

I don't need to meet your conditions or get your approval to discuss anything.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

remember GM to those who keep refusing to answer God's call, he eventually gives up and fills them with delusions of their own self importance. the best we can do is keep praying and ask God to show him the error of his ways. I Know what I experienced when i walked into my church for the first time. I also Know what I expierenced when God filled me with the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in tounges. I also know what miracles He did to bring me from a fornicating, adulterous athiest sinner, to a tounge talking Holy Ghost filled apostolic Pentecostal born again Christian. I KNOW I am saved and as long as I don't walk out on Jesus, Im going in the rapture. The level of comfort and security in knowing that, makes living in this increasingly depraved world okay.

tkhphotography Loc: Gresham, Or, not Seattle

hmmm, maybe you haven't (or won't) heard (hear):

Jesus was physically descended from David - Romans 1:1- 3.
The genealogies in Matt 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38 both attempt to link Jesus with Joseph to give Jesus a place in the Davidic line (which was necessary for messiahship). However, if virgin born, Joseph would have had nothing to do with the conception and any physical/human descent would be through Mary: Jesus' only contact with humanity if virgin born. However, Luke 1:36 says Mary was related to Elizabeth who was of the Aaronic line (Luke 1:5), not the Davidic line. Therefore, if virgin born, Jesus did not have Davidic descent (a prerequisite for messiah- ship).


Both robbers revile Jesus - Matt 27:44
Only one robber reviles Jesus and the other believes - Luke 23:41-43


Jesus tells the believing robber he will be with him in paradise that day - Luke 23:43
Jesus was in the grave following his death and did not ascend to heaven - Acts 2:24,31, John 20:17


God forsakes Jesus - Mark 15:34
Jesus is inseparable from God - John 10:30, 14:10, 16:32


The confirmation Jesus is dead.
In Mark 15:43-45, Joseph of Arimathea asks Pilate for Jesus' body, and Pilate is unaware of whether he is dead; only after sending a centurion and receiving this confirmation does he allow Joseph to take the body. However in John 19:31-33,38, Pilate actually authorises the leg-breaking to ensure they have all died and then authorises Joseph to remove the body. NB. Mark 15:42 states it was evening, ie. the sabbath had already begun (beginning at sundown) when Joseph asks for the body. However, burial was not allowed on the sabbath, showing the fictitiousness of the story.


The Resurrection of Jesus
Who went to the tomb?
Matt - 2 Marys
Mark - 2 Marys and Salome
Luke - at least 5 women
John - Mary Magdalene
What was seen?
Matt - Earthquake with angel sitting outside on the recently-moved stone
Mark - Stone already moved and a young man sitting inside
Luke - Stone already moved with two men standing inside
John - Stone moved. No one seen on 1st visit, but two angels sitting inside after two earlier visits.
When did the woman/women leave to go to the tomb?
Matt - Towards dawn
Mark - Very early
Luke - At early dawn
John - Still dark (NB. John states it was still dark when Mary arrived at the tomb).
What did man/men/angel/angels say?
Matt - Jesus was risen and disciples to go to Galilee
Mark - As Matt
Luke - Jesus had risen
John - Asks why Mary is crying.
What do the women/woman do next?
Matt - They run away but meet Jesus who repeats angel's instruction
Mark - They flee and say nothing to anyone. This obviously contradicts the other three in which the women do go and tell the disciples (original Mark ended at 16:7)
Luke - They go and tell disciples
John - Mary meets Jesus and they talk.
What is first conversation with the risen Jesus?
Matt - Women on way from tomb
Luke - The two disciples on road to Emmaus
John - Mary Magdalene.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Of course not. But it sure seems to me the reason you won't is because you can't.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

What makes you think you were an atheist to begin with? Atheism is a philosophical position requiring at least as much understanding as religion. What books have you studied about atheism? A high school kid saying "I don't believe in god" is as much an atheist as the same kid saying "I believe in god" is a fundamental christian.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Maybe Strobel discovered there is more money in religion than in atheism.

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

That is what is called ''contempt prior to investigation" which I was guily of for many many years.

SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina

"Maybe Strobel discovered there is more money in religion than in atheism."

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Here on earth, some amount of "money" is a necessity. However, in eternity, only the gift of God is needed ...

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord