Everyone still here? (Page 15): Talk about the creation of a strawman! Who here ever said they put "faith" into doctors? The fact is science based medicine has saved more lives...

Joyfullee Loc: South FL

wlgoode wrote:

ngc1514 wrote:

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Many, if not most, misunderstand the way an antibacterial drug is chosen (BTW, no, viruses are not killed by antibiotics, there are antiviral drugs, but most are really not particularly effective. If a doctor says you have the flu and gives you an antibiotic, find another doctor.) When you have a bacterial illness, a physician will choose a medicine based on the most prevalent type of strain in the local area that is causing the symptoms. Most of the time. the choice is right (or close enough) to effect a remedy. There is a sure fire way to pinpoint the right antibiotic for an illness. It is called a disc susceptibility test. The problem is, it takes about a week, involves lab tests and the patient may go untreated during the waiting period. In the hospital, often. you are started on a trial antibiotic, this test is run to verify the right choice of drug was made. If a better choice is indicated by the test, the doctor may change your medicine to the more exact choice. I'm sorry but you never, never , never ,never, ever are immune to antibiotics. The bacteria are. ASK an expert. I'm sorry but on this one, you are out of your depth.

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Either way, the antibiotic will not work with that person any longer, so another way of stating that would be that that body became immune to that antibiotic.

Doctors do make mistakes or just don't care, as in giving a patient an antibiotic for viral infections, which in the long run does harm the body or after prolonged use, again the drug will no longer work in that person's body, even if prescribed properly.

Anyway, what I was originally getting at is Doctor's/scientists etc. do not have all the answers, even though many times people believe all that they're told or read just because a "Doctor" said so.

Many years ago I got sick and the Doctors wanted to hospitalize me, even though they stated there was nothing that could be done.

I decided not to take their advice and went home, prayed about it and I felt God impressing me to eat pineapple. Which I did and about a week later I was already on the mend. Never to be bothered with that illness again.

I'm not saying we should never believe Doctor's or take their advice or prescriptions, but I am saying that God knows more than any Doctor/Scientist.

God can be trusted, man cannot.

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

Joyfullee wrote:

wlgoode wrote:

ngc1514 wrote:

quote=Joyfullee You have every right to put your ... (show quote)

Many, if not most, misunderstand the way an antibacterial drug is chosen (BTW, no, viruses are not killed by antibiotics, there are antiviral drugs, but most are really not particularly effective. If a doctor says you have the flu and gives you an antibiotic, find another doctor.) When you have a bacterial illness, a physician will choose a medicine based on the most prevalent type of strain in the local area that is causing the symptoms. Most of the time. the choice is right (or close enough) to effect a remedy. There is a sure fire way to pinpoint the right antibiotic for an illness. It is called a disc susceptibility test. The problem is, it takes about a week, involves lab tests and the patient may go untreated during the waiting period. In the hospital, often. you are started on a trial antibiotic, this test is run to verify the right choice of drug was made. If a better choice is indicated by the test, the doctor may change your medicine to the more exact choice. I'm sorry but you never, never , never ,never, ever are immune to antibiotics. The bacteria are. ASK an expert. I'm sorry but on this one, you are out of your depth.

quote=ngc1514 quote=Joyfullee You have every rig... (show quote)

Either way, the antibiotic will not work with that person any longer, so another way of stating that would be that that body became immune to that antibiotic.

Doctors do make mistakes or just don't care, as in giving a patient an antibiotic for viral infections, which in the long run does harm the body or after prolonged use, again the drug will no longer work in that person's body, even if prescribed properly.

Anyway, what I was originally getting at is Doctor's/scientists etc. do not have all the answers, even though many times people believe all that they're told or read just because a "Doctor" said so.

Many years ago I got sick and the Doctors wanted to hospitalize me, even though they stated there was nothing that could be done.

I decided not to take their advice and went home, prayed about it and I felt God impressing me to eat pineapple. Which I did and about a week later I was already on the mend. Never to be bothered with that illness again.

I'm not saying we should never believe Doctor's or take their advice or prescriptions, but I am saying that God knows more than any Doctor/Scientist.

God can be trusted, man cannot.

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Of course Doctor's make mistakes. No one has ever claimed they don't. It is a science that is still becoming better all the time as research and practice make it better. The reason they probably wanted to hospitalize you is to abate dangerous symptoms of the disease. Very often it is the symptoms of the disease that is most dangerous. In atherosclerosis your heart arteries are clogged, that is the disease. The symptom if that is not treated is a heart attack when muscle dies as a result of not receiving nourishment from the artery. This is called allopathic treatment and can be lifesaving. Ask a biochemist, a physician, a biologist, a pharmacist about what I have told you in several posts and be ready to say repeated "Hogwash." I am finished with this discussion.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

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Either way, the antibiotic will not work with that person any longer, so another way of stating that would be that that body became immune to that antibiotic.

No, that's not what's being said. In one case, the antibiotic will not work with that specific person, in the other the antibiotic will not work on ANYONE infected by the same bacterial strain. Saying the body became immune is completely wrong.

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Doctors do make mistakes or just don't care, as in giving a patient an antibiotic for viral infections, which in the long run does harm the body or after prolonged use, again the drug will no longer work in that person's body, even if prescribed properly.

No, it doesn't harm the body. You are making these things up as you type. Ask a doctor why he might give an antibiotic shot to someone who doesn't need one. It's not done for medical reasons, but because of the insistence of the sick person that the doctor do SOMETHING. It can be justified medically because it treats possible secondary effects of a viral infection like a sinus infection from a cold.

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Anyway, what I was originally getting at is Doctor's/scientists etc. do not have all the answers, even though many times people believe all that they're told or read just because a "Doctor" said so.

It was a straw man argument when you first made it and it remains a straw man argument now. No one has ever claimed doctors have all the answers. I've been married to a doctor for the last 17 years and she will be the first to tell you she doesn't have all the answers. Hell, in some cases, she's not even sure she has the right questions.

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Many years ago I got sick and the Doctors wanted to hospitalize me, even though they stated there was nothing that could be done.

I decided not to take their advice and went home, prayed about it and I felt God impressing me to eat pineapple. Which I did and about a week later I was already on the mend. Never to be bothered with that illness again.

Most doctors know that 95% of people who come visit them will be cured without any medical intervention. As my wife asks when a parent comes with a child who has a cold, "What makes this cold any different than the last 5 colds the kid has had?" I'd bet the mystery disease would have passed without the prayer or pineapple. Most illnesses do.

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I'm not saying we should never believe Doctor's or take their advice or prescriptions, but I am saying that God knows more than any Doctor/Scientist.

God can be trusted, man cannot.

So you believe. You do know that your affirmation of it being so is not evidence supporting your claim. How do you differentiate between the times you should believe a doctor and the times you shouldn't?

Joyfullee Loc: South FL

ngc1514 wrote:

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Either way, the antibiotic will not work with that person any longer, so another way of stating that would be that that body became immune to that antibiotic.

No, that's not what's being said. In one case, the antibiotic will not work with that specific person, in the other the antibiotic will not work on ANYONE infected by the same bacterial strain. Saying the body became immune is completely wrong.

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Doctors do make mistakes or just don't care, as in giving a patient an antibiotic for viral infections, which in the long run does harm the body or after prolonged use, again the drug will no longer work in that person's body, even if prescribed properly.

No, it doesn't harm the body. You are making these things up as you type. Ask a doctor why he might give an antibiotic shot to someone who doesn't need one. It's not done for medical reasons, but because of the insistence of the sick person that the doctor do SOMETHING. It can be justified medically because it treats possible secondary effects of a viral infection like a sinus infection from a cold.

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Anyway, what I was originally getting at is Doctor's/scientists etc. do not have all the answers, even though many times people believe all that they're told or read just because a "Doctor" said so.

It was a straw man argument when you first made it and it remains a straw man argument now. No one has ever claimed doctors have all the answers. I've been married to a doctor for the last 17 years and she will be the first to tell you she doesn't have all the answers. Hell, in some cases, she's not even sure she has the right questions.

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Many years ago I got sick and the Doctors wanted to hospitalize me, even though they stated there was nothing that could be done.

I decided not to take their advice and went home, prayed about it and I felt God impressing me to eat pineapple. Which I did and about a week later I was already on the mend. Never to be bothered with that illness again.

Most doctors know that 95% of people who come visit them will be cured without any medical intervention. As my wife asks when a parent comes with a child who has a cold, "What makes this cold any different than the last 5 colds the kid has had?" I'd bet the mystery disease would have passed without the prayer or pineapple. Most illnesses do.

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I'm not saying we should never believe Doctor's or take their advice or prescriptions, but I am saying that God knows more than any Doctor/Scientist.

God can be trusted, man cannot.

So you believe. You do know that your affirmation of it being so is not evidence supporting your claim. How do you differentiate between the times you should believe a doctor and the times you shouldn't?

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Branching out to broaden the topic, instead of sticking to it, is a form of a straw man argument in my mind and only serves to create confusion.

God is not the author of confusion, but Satan is.

If one does not realize/understand that God has a purpose, from beginning to end, for the whole world in general and one for individuals as well, then they are walking in darkness and are drawn into the lies, the deceptions of the evil one.

There is no truth to be found, except in God.

We were all created with free will, so you are free to choose what you believe is true, but that does not negate the only real truth, and that is God's truth.

It is humility before God, understanding that God is greater than any human and realizing that as humans we do not measure up to the holiness, righteousness, purity, and of course intelligence of the one who created us.

Intellectual pride, among other things, will keep one from ever seeking out God for Himself. It will also keep one from seeing that they are a sinner (missing the mark when the measure is God Himself) in need of a Savior, who is Jesus, God's Son.

The multitude of lies and deceptions in this world have all been planted by Satan, through those who belong to him, whether they realize that or not. Satan's plan is to take as many as he can to hell with himself. He's well aware of what his final end is, but he doesn't want you to know that either.

It always has been and will be, your choice alone.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Oh good grief. Go shake your juju dolls at someone who might be impressed with your preaching.

EVERYONE who believes fervently in his religion thinks the same things whether it's a Rastaman or th pope himself.

Not one word of your preachy spiel can be shown true.

But thanks for playing.

Joyfullee Loc: South FL

ngc1514 wrote:

Oh good grief. Go shake your juju dolls at someone who might be impressed with your preaching.

EVERYONE who believes fervently in his religion thinks the same things whether it's a Rastaman or th pope himself.

Not one word of your preachy spiel can be shown true.

But thanks for playing.

Act 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Quoting the bible is just another form of shaking juju dolls. No thinking involved... Just quote a passage or two.

And no evidence that any of your beliefs have any basis in reality.

Did you ever think how silly it is to quote the bible to someone who considers it just another compilation of myth and legend? How moved would you be if I started spouting verses from the Rigveda to you?

Believe what you will, but don't expect others to buy into your mythology.