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Nov 28, 2016 21:10:20   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Annie,

What I did not cover was the "how" of getting the shots I got.

I typically spend as much as 15 minutes with the pet - getting them comfortable. If I am working with shelter animals, I do this in conjunction with their handler(s). Treats are always the best way to get them to relax.

Each animal has a personality, and once their guard is down you can see it, and with practice you'll capture it. Each animal has an energy level, habits and other behavioral characteristics that may appeal to a prospective adopter, or in the case of a pet in a home, a personality that the owner feels evokes the "essence" of the animal. It is very important to capture that. In that respect, dogs, having more facial muscles, are easier to capture. The have a myriad of facial expressions, and very strong body language that contributes to a successful capture. Cats, on the other hand, really only have their eyes and ears for the most part, but their body language is even more interesting. How they relax, how they show interest, how they show comfort - can be subtle, but when you have been around them, it's not hard to capture their personalities. I lean towards felines - and I have 4 indoor cats and I care for 6 ferals that I have trapped and had neutered and returned to me. I trade a bowl of food for each every day in exchange for keeping my property rodent-free. So far it's working.

Pet photography is very rewarding, regardless of whether you are getting paid, or you are doing community service -Best of luck to you!

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Nov 29, 2016 05:29:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Annie B wrote:
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photographers please...I've decided the only way I'm going to take better pictures is to practice so I've posted free holiday pictures on my local FB "free" yard sale website. I will be taking a few pictures and sending them thru email. They can choose to print them. I have explained I'm an amateur photography trying to get better at my craft. People have been very responsive to my ad but I'm worried they don't see that my pictures may not be as "professional" as they expect (some may not come out or be worthy to print out) even though I'm not charging for my services. How do I explain this to them without saying anything negative about myself?

Please don't tell me I should be practicing on friends and family. I am doing this to help interact better with people who are not friends and family. The only way I'm going to feel comfortable if I want to do street photography is to get used to working with people I don't know.

Before I schedule anyone it would be good to reiterate to them I'm taking this pictures to "practice". FYI, I posted on the ad that I was looking for people willing to take some time with their pets in hopes that I can take better pictures down the road. In the conversation though I also don't want to put myself down in the process. I'm not charging them, I'm just asking for a little of their time and their pet.
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photo... (show quote)


You're a brave woman! Even when they're paying nothing, people expect a lot. It reminds me of the old joke.

"The food in that place is awful."
"Yeah, and such small portions!"

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Nov 29, 2016 05:51:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Annie B wrote:
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photographers please...I've decided the only way I'm going to take better pictures is to practice so I've posted free holiday pictures on my local FB "free" yard sale website. I will be taking a few pictures and sending them thru email. They can choose to print them. I have explained I'm an amateur photography trying to get better at my craft. People have been very responsive to my ad but I'm worried they don't see that my pictures may not be as "professional" as they expect (some may not come out or be worthy to print out) even though I'm not charging for my services. How do I explain this to them without saying anything negative about myself?

Please don't tell me I should be practicing on friends and family. I am doing this to help interact better with people who are not friends and family. The only way I'm going to feel comfortable if I want to do street photography is to get used to working with people I don't know.

Before I schedule anyone it would be good to reiterate to them I'm taking this pictures to "practice". FYI, I posted on the ad that I was looking for people willing to take some time with their pets in hopes that I can take better pictures down the road. In the conversation though I also don't want to put myself down in the process. I'm not charging them, I'm just asking for a little of their time and their pet.
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photo... (show quote)


If you go the route of shelter pet photography, consider issuing a press release to your local newspaper(s). Good way to get the word out about your good deeds, and get some free press and increased exposure.

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Nov 29, 2016 06:45:28   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
I volunteer my photography to a local MSPCA, shelter. I shoot their barn animals because of my past experiences with farm animals. They had enough photographers to shoot the cats, dogs, birds, rabbits, and what they call smalls which encompasses the rest of their small animals and reptiles!

Where I have a problem is after the shoot, sitting down to check and edit the shots before I send them to the shelter! That's a time consuming process when I shoot 200 to 300 shots each time that I go to the shelter.

They're a good sized shelter, and I end up submitting most of the shots I take, so that they'll have a good variety to choose from and to be able to post multiple angles of each animal. The last time that I shot there, I covered their horses, goats, pigs, roosters, geese, and ducks!

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Nov 29, 2016 06:47:24   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Learn to shoot people first perhaps. But you can always post photos here for critique as you improve your skills. Although some folks love to give snide remarks, you can get a lot of really good recommendations from people here who are far more skilled than most of us.

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Nov 29, 2016 06:52:31   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
Gene51 wrote:
There is another alternative, and you will be doing the shelters a big service - contact the local SPCA, private shelters and fosters and offer them your services. I have been doing that myself for a few years - and it doesn't get more rewarding than when a dog or cat that you photographed gets adopted on the basis of the evocative image you created donated to the shelter. When your images are eye-catching, they will generate buzz and sometimes a pet can have a home in a few days - and you just might have made a life and death difference. I target the kill shelters more often than the no-kill ones for obvious reasons.

Usually shelters are more than grateful for the offer, and very welcoming and accommodating. One even let me bring a portable studio (background, lights, stands, etc) and gave me a room and a helper/handler.

I can think of no better way to get to where you want to be as far as your pictures are concerned, and at the same time do the adoption community a big solid.

Here are a few images that have resulted in quick adoptions. The MinPin below was adopted three days after the image was posted. It got over 200 likes.

You'll find that attempting to approach both parts of your dilemma, making better images and learning to deal with people - at the same time may result in some missteps along the way - unless you're the type that lives for challenge of it all. I suggest you get your photo skills solidly under your belt - regardless of whether you take documentary stuff like the images below - or you go for a more stylized and personal look, or the Kitty Kitsch look where you dress up the cats (or dogs) in outfits and use cute props. Once you have the confidence you need, you can then start charging what the jobs are worth. Check to see what others are doing in your area, and charge as much, or more, as they do. Charging more is a little trick that I use when I think there will be some pricing sensitivity - charging more implies better quality - and pet owners often respond to that with their checkbooks. Make sure you have liability insurance, your equipment is in good working order, you have backup gear, and your gear is insured. Having a good contract goes without saying, and collecting your shooting fee up front - half when they reserve the date, and the rest when you arrive with your gear to take the shot - will ensure that you won't get stiffed. Making watermarked, low res medium quality images available for viewing and selection can work, but it is always better to do that in person so you can guide them through the process and help them with any questions about what the will be getting.

Never ever do work for otherwise paying clients for free just because you are new at this. It will be hard to charge them or anyone else later. Never give stuff (prints, albums, coffee mugs, greeting cards etc) away either. Do not provide electronic versions of your images, for them to print poorly at Walgreens. You do want to maintain control over the finished product.
There is another alternative, and you will be doin... (show quote)


That's a great idea to photograph pets from a local shelter. I'm sure it's very rewarding to know that your photos have helped place dogs and cats to new homes. Wanted to say thanks for doing that.

Rich

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Nov 29, 2016 07:00:52   #
AzShooter1 Loc: Surprise, Az.
 
Great idea and wonderful shots.

OP You can get all the practice you want this way. I contacted our Home pet club and was able to arrange a day at the dog park for anyone that wanted to come and get their pet's pictures. I had a steady stream of clients and helped me get some paying gigs.

I used IMAGE EVENTS to post the pictures and people could buy them if they wanted. I also offered free 5 X 7 s. You can make up a package that you want to give them.

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Nov 29, 2016 07:16:30   #
WayneW Loc: South Carolina
 
AnnieB, Be sure to edit your images before the pet owners see them. Before your shoot starts, study and try to dissect Gene51's awesome pet images! Awesome pet shots Gene!
Ex: Sophie Gamand's Shelter Dogs- http://www.sophiegamand.com/gallery

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Nov 29, 2016 07:38:39   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
Gene51 wrote:
...Here are a few images that have resulted in quick adoptions. The MinPin below was adopted three days after the image was posted. It got over 200 likes....

REALLY GOOD photos!!

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Nov 29, 2016 07:40:43   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
Gene51 wrote:
There is another alternative, and you will be doing the shelters a big service - contact the local SPCA, private shelters and fosters and offer them your services. I have been doing that myself for a few years - and it doesn't get more rewarding than when a dog or cat that you photographed gets adopted on the basis of the evocative image you created donated to the shelter. When your images are eye-catching, they will generate buzz and sometimes a pet can have a home in a few days - and you just might have made a life and death difference. I target the kill shelters more often than the no-kill ones for obvious reasons.

Usually shelters are more than grateful for the offer, and very welcoming and accommodating. One even let me bring a portable studio (background, lights, stands, etc) and gave me a room and a helper/handler.

I can think of no better way to get to where you want to be as far as your pictures are concerned, and at the same time do the adoption community a big solid.

Here are a few images that have resulted in quick adoptions. The MinPin below was adopted three days after the image was posted. It got over 200 likes.

You'll find that attempting to approach both parts of your dilemma, making better images and learning to deal with people - at the same time may result in some missteps along the way - unless you're the type that lives for challenge of it all. I suggest you get your photo skills solidly under your belt - regardless of whether you take documentary stuff like the images below - or you go for a more stylized and personal look, or the Kitty Kitsch look where you dress up the cats (or dogs) in outfits and use cute props. Once you have the confidence you need, you can then start charging what the jobs are worth. Check to see what others are doing in your area, and charge as much, or more, as they do. Charging more is a little trick that I use when I think there will be some pricing sensitivity - charging more implies better quality - and pet owners often respond to that with their checkbooks. Make sure you have liability insurance, your equipment is in good working order, you have backup gear, and your gear is insured. Having a good contract goes without saying, and collecting your shooting fee up front - half when they reserve the date, and the rest when you arrive with your gear to take the shot - will ensure that you won't get stiffed. Making watermarked, low res medium quality images available for viewing and selection can work, but it is always better to do that in person so you can guide them through the process and help them with any questions about what the will be getting.

Never ever do work for otherwise paying clients for free just because you are new at this. It will be hard to charge them or anyone else later. Never give stuff (prints, albums, coffee mugs, greeting cards etc) away either. Do not provide electronic versions of your images, for them to print poorly at Walgreens. You do want to maintain control over the finished product.
There is another alternative, and you will be doin... (show quote)

Sorry, don't know what happened.

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Nov 29, 2016 08:02:20   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Annie B wrote:
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photographers please...I've decided the only way I'm going to take better pictures is to practice so I've posted free holiday pictures on my local FB "free" yard sale website. I will be taking a few pictures and sending them thru email. They can choose to print them. I have explained I'm an amateur photography trying to get better at my craft. People have been very responsive to my ad but I'm worried they don't see that my pictures may not be as "professional" as
expect (some may not come out or be worthy to print out) even though I'm not charging for my services. How do I explain this to them without saying anything negative about myself?

Please don't tell me I should be practicing on friends and family. I am doing this to help interact better with people who are not friends and family. The only way I'm going to feel comfortable if I want to do street photography is to get used to working with people I don't know.

Before I schedule anyone it would be good to reiterate to them I'm taking this pictures to "practice". FYI, I posted on the ad that I was looking for people willing to take some time with their pets in hopes that I can take better pictures down the road. In the conversation though I also don't want to put myself down in the process. I'm not charging them, I'm just asking for a little of their time and their pet.
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photo... (show quote)



Sorry, but the answer is; practice on friends, family, stuffed animals, yourself, anything.

Once you can do that in the dark with your hands tied behind your back and get really nice results, then place an add and charge what you think your services are worth.

I know you disallowed that answer right up front but that's the real answer.

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Nov 29, 2016 08:26:11   #
tracs101 Loc: Huntington NY
 
Annie B wrote:
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photographers please...I've decided the only way I'm going to take better pictures is to practice so I've posted free holiday pictures on my local FB "free" yard sale website. I will be taking a few pictures and sending them thru email. They can choose to print them. I have explained I'm an amateur photography trying to get better at my craft. People have been very responsive to my ad but I'm worried they don't see that my pictures may not be as "professional" as they expect (some may not come out or be worthy to print out) even though I'm not charging for my services. How do I explain this to them without saying anything negative about myself?

Please don't tell me I should be practicing on friends and family. I am doing this to help interact better with people who are not friends and family. The only way I'm going to feel comfortable if I want to do street photography is to get used to working with people I don't know.

Before I schedule anyone it would be good to reiterate to them I'm taking this pictures to "practice". FYI, I posted on the ad that I was looking for people willing to take some time with their pets in hopes that I can take better pictures down the road. In the conversation though I also don't want to put myself down in the process. I'm not charging them, I'm just asking for a little of their time and their pet.
I'd like some opinions from all you seasoned photo... (show quote)


I think it is a great idea. I find that when I do photography for folks instead of just practicing on my own I put in a much greater effort to get a great shot, even though it is for free. It allows me the fun of practicing and if the shots are really great, I get to show off a bit also.

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Nov 29, 2016 08:29:20   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Annie, it looks like you have come up with an idea that may give you the practice and the critiques you want.

The thing that occurred to me is "how far are you going to have to travel, with no fee and using expensive gasoline?" You might want to limit it to a specific area, perhaps 20 miles from your location. You didn't say where you are located, big city or small town, and that will determine the radius of your travel area. Twenty miles in NYC can be a long drive, but in a rural area, an easy trip.

Good luck!

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Nov 29, 2016 08:32:44   #
Elsiss Loc: Bayside, NY, Boynton Beach, Fl.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Annie, I think you are on the right path here to get experience.
I would be very careful though.
I would write up some simple agreement that spells out exactly what you are giving away at no cost. Don't set yourself up to put horrendous amounts of hours into trying to satisfy a picky client for free. It could get really out of hand.
Beyond the free agreement, you should state a charge per hour for going beyond that just to ensure that some people will NOT try to take advantage of your generosity...., it will happen!
Good luck with your project and above all, since it's free, it needs to be fun for YOU!!!
SS
Annie, I think you are on the right path here to g... (show quote)

Sharpshooter, you are Spot On!

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Nov 29, 2016 08:33:03   #
bigwolf40 Loc: Effort, Pa.
 
Gene51 wrote:
There is another alternative, and you will be doing the shelters a big service - contact the local SPCA, private shelters and fosters and offer them your services. I have been doing that myself for a few years - and it doesn't get more rewarding than when a dog or cat that you photographed gets adopted on the basis of the evocative image you created donated to the shelter. When your images are eye-catching, they will generate buzz and sometimes a pet can have a home in a few days - and you just might have made a life and death difference. I target the kill shelters more often than the no-kill ones for obvious reasons.

Usually shelters are more than grateful for the offer, and very welcoming and accommodating. One even let me bring a portable studio (background, lights, stands, etc) and gave me a room and a helper/handler.

I can think of no better way to get to where you want to be as far as your pictures are concerned, and at the same time do the adoption community a big solid.

Here are a few images that have resulted in quick adoptions. The MinPin below was adopted three days after the image was posted. It got over 200 likes.

You'll find that attempting to approach both parts of your dilemma, making better images and learning to deal with people - at the same time may result in some missteps along the way - unless you're the type that lives for challenge of it all. I suggest you get your photo skills solidly under your belt - regardless of whether you take documentary stuff like the images below - or you go for a more stylized and personal look, or the Kitty Kitsch look where you dress up the cats (or dogs) in outfits and use cute props. Once you have the confidence you need, you can then start charging what the jobs are worth. Check to see what others are doing in your area, and charge as much, or more, as they do. Charging more is a little trick that I use when I think there will be some pricing sensitivity - charging more implies better quality - and pet owners often respond to that with their checkbooks. Make sure you have liability insurance, your equipment is in good working order, you have backup gear, and your gear is insured. Having a good contract goes without saying, and collecting your shooting fee up front - half when they reserve the date, and the rest when you arrive with your gear to take the shot - will ensure that you won't get stiffed. Making watermarked, low res medium quality images available for viewing and selection can work, but it is always better to do that in person so you can guide them through the process and help them with any questions about what the will be getting.

Never ever do work for otherwise paying clients for free just because you are new at this. It will be hard to charge them or anyone else later. Never give stuff (prints, albums, coffee mugs, greeting cards etc) away either. Do not provide electronic versions of your images, for them to print poorly at Walgreens. You do want to maintain control over the finished product.
There is another alternative, and you will be doin... (show quote)


This sure is a great set. You do wonderful work. I happen to be one that loves animals more then people. I found animals to be a lot more trust worthy and honest with their feelings....Rich

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