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Nov 5, 2016 14:26:49   #
djmikedege
 
Why is this happening? I'm editing the images from a game I shot last night and I see this happening. I'm shooting in manual mode with my white balance set to K 5000. Why is the white balance different in these two sample images? All settings are exactly the same. Any help would be much appreciated.





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Nov 5, 2016 14:32:18   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
djmikedege wrote:
Why is this happening? I'm editing the images from a game I shot last night and I see this happening. I'm shooting in manual mode with my white balance set to K 5000. Why is the white balance different in these two sample images? All settings are exactly the same. Any help would be much appreciated.

I don't really see a different WB here, but I assume your camera has no flicker-correction? That what this looks like to me (cause is the lights being used in the game)!

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Nov 5, 2016 14:37:12   #
Joecosentino Loc: Whitesboro, New York
 
I agree with Speters color balance looks the same, field lights are always changing just a little (flicker effect) they are close enough that it should be an easy lightroom fix

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Nov 5, 2016 14:40:53   #
djmikedege
 
If you look at #71 in the top picture, he looks warmer than in the bottom.
speters wrote:
I don't really see a different WB here, but I assume your camera has no flicker-correction? That what this looks like to me (cause is the lights being used in the game)!

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Nov 5, 2016 15:00:01   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
If it's from flicker, that Canon 7D you were considering earlier would be a good choice.

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Nov 5, 2016 15:02:21   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
djmikedege wrote:
Why is this happening? I'm editing the images from a game I shot last night and I see this happening. I'm shooting in manual mode with my white balance set to K 5000. Why is the white balance different in these two sample images? All settings are exactly the same. Any help would be much appreciated.

Yes the top image is warmer than the bottom, and while I didn't check to be positive it appears the bottom image has more exposure.

The reason is because of the way mercury vapor lights work. The output peaks with each positive and each negative peak of the AC voltage. So each light flickers at 120 Hz in the US with 60 Hz power. They use 3 phase power and have different groups of lights on each phase, which means only one third of them go dark at the same time.

The effect you got is normal. The color changes with the brightness. The best solution is to use auto white balance. It may work best to shoot in RAW and use auto white balance in the RAW converter.

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Nov 5, 2016 15:12:28   #
djmikedege
 
Thanks everyone! I thought I was doing something that could be corrected. I'm shooting with a Canon 6D which does not have any flicker correction. I guess I'll just have to correct it in post...thanks again!

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Nov 5, 2016 16:23:01   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
wow!! there's no shortage (pun intended) of knowledge on the hog. A virtual hot house of all stuff!! RJM

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Nov 5, 2016 16:47:17   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Apaflo wrote:
Yes the top image is warmer than the bottom, and while I didn't check to be positive it appears the bottom image has more exposure.

The reason is because of the way mercury vapor lights work. The output peaks with each positive and each negative peak of the AC voltage. So each light flickers at 120 Hz in the US with 60 Hz power. They use 3 phase power and have different groups of lights on each phase, which means only one third of them go dark at the same time.

The effect you got is normal. The color changes with the brightness. The best solution is to use auto white balance. It may work best to shoot in RAW and use auto white balance in the RAW converter.
Yes the top image is warmer than the bottom, and w... (show quote)


This would be a great addition to the FAQ section......and maybe add cameras that have an anti-flicker feature?

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Nov 5, 2016 16:54:35   #
warrior Loc: Paso Robles CA
 
Most pros in what I've seen and heard use Auto white balance.

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Nov 6, 2016 05:56:28   #
Stan W. Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
The important question is did the kid make the field goal?

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Nov 6, 2016 07:08:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
djmikedege wrote:
If you look at #71 in the top picture, he looks warmer than in the bottom.


It especially shows up in the color of the uniforms.

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Nov 6, 2016 07:21:25   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
djmikedege wrote:
Why is this happening? I'm editing the images from a game I shot last night and I see this happening. I'm shooting in manual mode with my white balance set to K 5000. Why is the white balance different in these two sample images? All settings are exactly the same. Any help would be much appreciated.


It is not the white balance, it is your exposure, yes Virginia, when using high frame rates sometimes your camera cannot keep up with the frame rate, it has nothing to do with manual settings. IT HAPPENS.

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Nov 6, 2016 08:10:49   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
warrior wrote:
Most pros in what I've seen and heard use Auto white balance.


Do not think so.

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Nov 6, 2016 08:15:40   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
billnikon wrote:
It is not the white balance, it is your exposure, yes Virginia, when using high frame rates sometimes your camera cannot keep up with the frame rate, it has nothing to do with manual settings. IT HAPPENS.


Agreed. I see that occassionally when shooting high-speed continuous. I suspect the OP used a burst mode and, if so, should post the entire sequence. The variation in the two photos posted is easy to fix. First, adjust the exposure. You can probably get the two histograms to be virtually identical. Then, if the white balance still varies, tweak that.

I do not think anyone mentioned it but the second shot is a pretty good action one even if captured using a burst mode.

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