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Sep 19, 2016 12:20:47   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
WayneT wrote:
I would never carry an open weapon, it just gives the other guy an opportunity to steal it and shoot you with it. If you have to carry, carry concealed and always remember if you ever have to pull your weapon be VERY prepared to use it or the other guy will take it from you and shoot you!


That "other guy" you talk about is in one of two camps: he either wants to shoot you, and so he already has a gun, or he doesn't want to shoot you, so he has no reason to want to take your gun. The vast majority are in the second camp.
Either way, that "other guy" isn't out to take your gun.

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Sep 19, 2016 12:22:38   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
DavidPhares wrote:
Most of the "crazies" expect to die from the encounter anyway, so Open Carry deters nobody, it just increases the chances the Opn Carrier being shot by police when they arrive and are looking for a shooter!


The only problem with the scenario you present is that it doesn't happen in real life.

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Sep 19, 2016 12:29:51   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
crissx09 wrote:
I am with the Second Amendment with certain limitations. Keep in mind that by the time that was written we did not have the kind of weapons we have now. For personal self defense against criminals, we do not need an assault rifle and therefore should not be allowed in anyone's hands. A .38 or similar will make it so ...that should be allowed in addition to hunting weapons. No one can mass kill with a .38, 9mm, .22, etc etc. Now if you think that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to have the people armed to defend themselves from an abusive government with the Army, Navy and Air force in their side you are out of your mind.
I am with the Second Amendment with certain limita... (show quote)


If you are with the second amendment with those limitations you suggest, then you aren't with the second amendment.
First, there are no "assault rifles" in the hands of normal citizens. There are "assault weapons," maybe, but they are defined more by appearance than by function, mainly because they "look bad."
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion of what is a self defense weapon. Have you ever tried defending yourself with a .38 in the dark with adrenaline running high? Even police, with (supposedly) good training, have an abysmally low hit rate in broad daylight.
And if you think it takes an AR-15 to do mass murder, think again. A 9mm will do just fine.

Where did you get your training? It obviously wasn't very good.

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Sep 19, 2016 12:38:02   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
DavidPhares wrote:
What, exactly, is your objection to capitalizing the first word in a sentence. Your lack of writing skills undermines your message, and makes it more difficult to read! Learn to write.


this is what happens when reading ee cummings during your formative years. i also liked the look of the type face, as it seemed to me to draw less attention to oneself. sort of an exercise in humility. i also do not capitalise my name.

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Sep 19, 2016 12:41:13   #
WayneT Loc: Paris, TN
 
Big Bill wrote:
That "other guy" you talk about is in one of two camps: he either wants to shoot you, and so he already has a gun, or he doesn't want to shoot you, so he has no reason to want to take your gun. The vast majority are in the second camp.
Either way, that "other guy" isn't out to take your gun.


Not really; he's the guy with a knife or tries to strong arm you. If you do decide to pull the gun you better kill him quick our he will attack and take it away from you. Believe me this is not an unusual situation.

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Sep 19, 2016 12:48:23   #
Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California
 
Sirsnapalot wrote:
This is just another leftist propaganda article! First off the video was a lie, you can not buy a fully automatic gun of any kind in America without a strict background check an an expensive license to possess one! And where did they find the weirdo in this article? This guy is far from the typical gun rights American citizens, he and his twisted paranoia is as scary as any outside threat.


He's a whacko for sure, with some deeper problems. Hopefully he doesn't decide to go Postal one day.

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Sep 19, 2016 13:01:25   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
machia wrote:
The Second Amendment gave pause to both Germany and Japan during World War 2 concerning the feasibility of invading the United States . Their conclusion was that an armed population such as ours would deter any invasion .
Sadly our society has broken down to a point where more and more mentally ill and non-assimilating groups walk amongst us .
Leftist policies in general have caused this . And their ultimate solution is to strip Americans of their Second Amendment Constitutional rights .
When I was at the Naval Academy 40 years ago , the thought of America as it is today would be something out of a disturbing novel .
I hope Americans think about the direction we are heading in come this November .
Leftist policies are national suicide .
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in re: your first paragraph. the failure to destroy the aircraft carriers at Pearl Harbour, served as a permanent setback to the Japanese military. there was never any war plan, devised by the Japanese high command to invade the continental United States. their war plan conceived of military control of the south pacific and the islands therein, including New Zealand, Australia and Hawaii, to the exclusion of the United States.

Germany's war plan excluded any invasion of the continental United States. the high command's war plan was to invade and conquer continental Europe. failing to do so, in what is referred to as the "Battle of Britain" ended any thought of continental conquest. while France was only 25 nautical miles from England, the presence of the RAF put paid to that program. Germany required control of the skys. Adolf Hitler's plan had been to conquer England and then come to an agreement with the United States to assist in the invasion of what was then the Soviet Union. Hitler's 2 obsessions were Jewish people and Communism. he wanted the USSR for colonisation and raw and agricultural materials. Germany badly needed both, and would not have succeeded without those. their population had far exceeded their production capability.

at the time, 1939-1945, United States citizens did not have acess to firearms anywhere near as they do today. we remained primarily an agricultural nation, despite the industrialisation of the large cities. in some sense, we were not a "national" body anymore than we were by the end of the Civil War. for example, we had not even integrated the armed forces by 1940. many, many soldiers had never even seen an African American, despite their sterling service (Red Tails).

with regard to people who are mentally (dangerously) disturbed, we can thank Ronald Reagan's administration for closing down tens of thousands of facilitys and putting those folks on the streets. if you speak with physicians and health officials you will find a derth of treatment facilities now available. in-care for folks who need it is horribly underfunded, after all, they don't vote, so don't matter. that is until something happens which draws our attention. then we go through the hand wringing and moaning, and then move on having done nothing to alleviate the situation.

United States society is reactive rather than proactive. this cuts across all ideological lines - conservative and what passes as liberal. we react, we do not proact. as a result, we, as a culture, are not equipped to make changes which are necessary in this day and age. our denials are based on opinions, beliefs and what comforts us - not on fact or science. we will, when finally backed into a corner, finally attempt to deal with the many immediate issues facing us, but not until then.

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Sep 19, 2016 13:40:54   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
ken hubert wrote:
ROFLMAO! You tell it,old man, it's your story.


Being a legend in your own mind, you might not live to get old. Darn

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Sep 19, 2016 14:25:26   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
wj cody wrote:
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at the time, 1939-1945, United States citizens did not have acess to firearms anywhere near as they do today. we remained primarily an agricultural nation, despite the industrialisation of the large cities. in some sense, we were not a "national" body anymore than we were by the end of the Civil War. for example, we had not even integrated the armed forces by 1940. many, many soldiers had never even seen an African American, despite their sterling service (Red Tails).
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Don't know where you are from but 65 years ago when I was a kid every mail order catalog that came to the house sold firearms! Back then there were no federal laws restricting buying guns through the mail and everyone I knew had a closet full of assorted hunting guns and personal pistols! We were all trained from young how to use them properly with safety as the number one priority!
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Sep 19, 2016 15:29:14   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If I saw him and his rifle in a store, I'd turn and leave immediately. How can you tell the difference between a "self-defense" guy and a wacko shooter - till the shooting starts?


Go to Walmart and you can buy a rifle in the sporting section. How do you get it out of the store without scaring the $hit of the other customers. You don't -it is their problem.

You are correct about until the shooting starts to tell the difference between an honest citizen and a nut. But there are far more honest citizens than nuts. You are innocent until proven guilty in this country. If you are scared, that is you phobia.

The nut usually start right after they enter the store, because that is their aim. So how so you casually walk out the door if they are doing, your version of your phobia. If you walked out - your version was wrong. You just had a boogyman in your bedroom scenario. Your right that there is too much FEAR, and you are causing it all by yourself.

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Sep 19, 2016 15:34:49   #
pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If I saw him and his rifle in a store, I'd turn and leave immediately. How can you tell the difference between a "self-defense" guy and a wacko shooter - till the shooting starts?


I would too Jerry. i have owned firearms for 51 years and have been teaching firearm safety for 18 years.I never leave my house without taking a gun, but it's out of sight and alarms nobody. Open carry is fine in the wide open spaces but downtown?

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Sep 19, 2016 15:43:54   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
WayneT wrote:
Not really; he's the guy with a knife or tries to strong arm you. If you do decide to pull the gun you better kill him quick our he will attack and take it away from you. Believe me this is not an unusual situation.


This is double talk. Quote "he's the guy with a knife or tries to strong arm you" he is already attacking you per your quote, then you say because you pull a gun Quote "he will attack and take it away from you." Once he was attacking you in the first place, what difference does it make.

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Sep 19, 2016 16:06:19   #
Duggy
 
dirty dave wrote:
Taking a AR15 into Walmart is just plain stupid. Action of idiots make everyone look like idiots. I believe in self protection and have always carried. There is a big difference between fighting a war and self protection.


Stupid is as stupid does liberal .Find your safe space.

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Sep 19, 2016 16:27:04   #
Duggy
 
You seem kinda silly to me anyone could own dynamite a gatlin gun, and the writers of the US constitution were probably a lot smarter than you , Hillary ,Obama, Truth is I know you can't help yourself . There is no limitations on any guns in the 2 nd amendment except liberals like you want to rewrite it. may be you need to limit your ignorance of the wisdom of great men. Not the little pansies of today.

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Sep 19, 2016 16:52:16   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
WayneT wrote:
Not really; he's the guy with a knife or tries to strong arm you. If you do decide to pull the gun you better kill him quick our he will attack and take it away from you. Believe me this is not an unusual situation.


I realize that situation occurs, but the way you describe it, with the bad guy going after the good guy who has a gun doesn't happen very often.
I get to read about it sometimes, and very rarely does the bad guy come out on top.

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