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Aug 20, 2016 06:19:13   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
...people tend to say don't use the sharpest for portraits, I think that's a load of bull.


That rule is for old movie stars.

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Aug 20, 2016 07:40:48   #
Nightski
 
CaptainC wrote:
Ah, I see. Here, the yearbook image has to be a 2x3 inch photo, 1/2 inch form the bridge of the nose to the chin, both eyes visible, no hands to the face, no hats, no pets, no logos. Clothing must fit school dress code. That is a good thing as it gives the book a consistent look for the senior portraits. They are NOT formal portraits, and outdoor images are encouraged, but they are certainly not anything creative. In any case it is only one image - the REAL images are on the family walls. If one took inspiration from the yearbook images here, they would be dull, boring, and utterly lacking in style.

And you can tell the photos made by mom or dad or the "friend with a good camera."
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I know, Captain. I truly appreciate the Pros like you. I paid $800 for each of my sons to have their senior portraits done and that was over 10 years ago. However .. this lady is not going to do that and it gives me a chance to gain some experience. How else do newbies like me get experience doing this. Thanks so much for the advice .. but our yearbook must have different rules. The kids do not have to have head shots. I remember that I was adamant with my sons that they use a headshot to submit, however. You can barely see the faces of those that submit the whole body ones. It's not a good choice for that format.

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Aug 20, 2016 07:42:08   #
Nightski
 
Al Freeedman wrote:
The Canon 100 2.8 is a perfect lens for head & Shoulder shots. For young people you want the sharpest image possible. For older folks use a soft focus filter. If you don't want to use a fill flash
have someone hold a reflector to block out the harsh light, putting the subject in the shade. Also, use the largest ap possible to "fuzzy up" the background. You should get great results.

Good Luck.

Captain Al


Thank you, Al. I do have reflectors. I bet mom will be willing to hold it for me. I have a 36 inch one and a 12 inch one.

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Aug 20, 2016 07:52:42   #
Nightski
 
And Captain .. I talked my son and his bride into hiring a really good wedding photographer. They are worth their weight in gold. They were alway there, but we never knew they were there. The pics were amazing and my son and his wife are so glad they didn't chintz in that area.

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Aug 20, 2016 08:05:59   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Thank you for sharing your tried and true advice. I like to visit your website just as a guide for the type of photographer that I aspire to be. Yep, I'm a CaptainC "fan boy".
CaptainC wrote:
Nightski-
the majority of my business is high school seniors. Use a focal length LONGER than 50mm if the image is waist-up. The 50 is fine for thigh-up or wider. With the lenses you have, shoot wide open, but be REALLY careful of focus - we want those soft backgrounds.

The background is JUST as important as the subject. A good beginner rule is to "shoot into the dark." Blown out backgrounds are seldom good.

If you use a reflector, NEVER allow the reflector to bounce light UP if it will create a shadow. If the reflector creates shadows, the reflector needs to be held HIGH so shadows go down.

87.368% of HS senior photography is connection with the kids. Anyone can put them out there and take a mediocre image. You need to SEE the connection they have with you and it is in their eyes. You need to keep up an almost constant banter with them. Make them laugh. Make fun of yourself. This business is less about gear and more about your connection with the subjects.

Under NO circumstance do you point a camera-mounted flash directly at the subject unless is is set to around a minus 2EV to be just a fill.

If you are nervous and tentative, it will affect them.

I am not the best one to give natural light advice as I always use a flash outside - either as a main or fill - but I do know you want to stay out of the direct sun except for that time just before sunset.

Feel free to check my website for some posing examples. Best to usually pose females so they are NOT square to the camera. There are exceptions, but just know that if you do it, you are adding weight to them. Having the body turned slightly (or more) away from the camera will slim them. Be clear you want earth-tone, solid colors. Anything can work, but medium to darker solid colors will keep the attention on the face and not the clothing. Good luck enforcing that!
Nightski- br the majority of my business is high s... (show quote)



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Aug 20, 2016 08:12:47   #
Nightski
 
And Al, thanks for the advice on the two different lenses. I hadn't really thought about which lenses to use for the two different shots or even that there were two types of shots. This girl's mom talked to me on the phone, giving me a whole bunch of ideas of what her daughter might want and I was a little bit lost in it. Organizing it in my head as two types of shots is really helpful.

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Aug 20, 2016 08:14:27   #
roxiemarty Loc: Florida
 
CaptainC wrote:
Ah, I see. Here, the yearbook image has to be a 2x3 inch photo, 1/2 inch form the bridge of the nose to the chin, both eyes visible, no hands to the face, no hats, no pets, no logos. Clothing must fit school dress code. That is a good thing as it gives the book a consistent look for the senior portraits. They are NOT formal portraits, and outdoor images are encouraged, but they are certainly not anything creative. In any case it is only one image - the REAL images are on the family walls. If one took inspiration from the yearbook images here, they would be dull, boring, and utterly lacking in style.

And you can tell the photos made by mom or dad or the "friend with a good camera."
Ah, I see. Here, the yearbook image has to be a 2x... (show quote)


I did yearbook photos here in Florida, and they definitely were as you described. They wanted all headshots, same size faces and all uniform in appearance. The senior headshots were similar, but with dress jacket or drape. The other senior photos such as your amazing work are for the familys. I cannot imagine how the yearbook would look as random photos are submitted. He must be mistaken. I respect your work also.

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Aug 20, 2016 08:21:40   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
jim quist wrote:
Here are a few practical ideas
1. You want to have the whites of the eyes showing on both sides of the pupil.
2. To get a pretty smile have her do a really fake laugh, and laugh with her, just as she finishes she is likely to give you that smile and look right at you.
3. Toward the beginning show her a really great shot.
4. If a pose you want to do isn't working, don't let her know you are stuck, she might think its her fault for not getting it right, just move on and skip it.
5. The body: if it bends, bend it.
6. See if you can give her something to do with her hands, like holding something.
7. Do not have her looking into the sun, it will cause her to squint. use the sun behind her as a hair light.
8. Shoot before 10:00 or after 6:00 to avoid harsh sunlight. The day before the shoot step outside every hour or so and note what time the sun has the best light. that is the time to set your time for the shoot.
9. you can buy one of those trifold science boards at walmart to use as a white reflector. Let her mother be your assistant.
10. You could buy 2 more. Glue some gold reflective material on one and silver reflective material on the other. You can probably buy it at walmart.
11. If you have to use that darn flash, set your camera and flash to fully automatic and let it be a point and shoot for a while. maybe not the best advice, but it will get you out out of a pickle.
12. Dont say oooops, they don't know you are nervous or something isn't working right.

Go have some fun
Here are a few practical ideas br 1. You want to h... (show quote)


Some good ideas here. But just buy a 5 in 1 reflector for $20-30 and don't bother trying to make one. Neewer is one inexpensive brand from Amazon. There are lots of good YouTube videos that can help you too. I like the Robert Harrington ones he does with B&H Event Space. Also does indoor and outdoor techniques with single flash. Very simple and they work too... Check them out if you can.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Aug 20, 2016 08:29:54   #
Mom of 2 Loc: North Carolina
 
Something I do is after deciding on the location, I scout it the day before. Like everyone has said, shade is best so I look for the interesting "spots" to see when they are in shade. And I love the internet on poses so you can check that out. One thing a wonderful photographer told me was to watch for the "broken neck" pose. Be careful to not turn the head to the extreme. And have fun. I found it takes about 10mins. for you and your subject to relax. Oh and if she wears a necklace, have mom to keep a watch to make sure it hangs correctly. That sounds picky, but it will bother you later.

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Aug 20, 2016 08:37:11   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Posing is important. It is difficult to explain posing without pictures.
I am going to say that your 50mm f1.8 can do a great job with a crop sensor. Keep the 100mm also at hand.
Good luck!

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Aug 20, 2016 09:15:32   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
What really helps me (along with all the other great advise here) is to take my own kid or friend out a day or 2 before the shoot and practice in different spots in the park where you will be shooting. That way you will really know where the best light is and have a plan of action. Look for fence lines, bridges, or ponds to help with your backgrounds. Also maybe suggest a couple changes of clothes, cap & gown, letter jacket, etc.. And bring a prop or two..like if she plays basketball - bring a basketball to pose with that. I try not to pose the high school seniors - I let them kinda do it themselves and just make suggestions. They are very good at posing now with all their selfie practice.
Good Luck !!!

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Aug 20, 2016 10:04:43   #
Nightski
 
Mom of 2 wrote:
Something I do is after deciding on the location, I scout it the day before. Like everyone has said, shade is best so I look for the interesting "spots" to see when they are in shade. And I love the internet on poses so you can check that out. One thing a wonderful photographer told me was to watch for the "broken neck" pose. Be careful to not turn the head to the extreme. And have fun. I found it takes about 10mins. for you and your subject to relax. Oh and if she wears a necklace, have mom to keep a watch to make sure it hangs correctly. That sounds picky, but it will bother you later.
Something I do is after deciding on the location, ... (show quote)


Thank you.

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Aug 20, 2016 10:10:31   #
Nightski
 
TommiRulz wrote:
What really helps me (along with all the other great advise here) is to take my own kid or friend out a day or 2 before the shoot and practice in different spots in the park where you will be shooting. That way you will really know where the best light is and have a plan of action. Look for fence lines, bridges, or ponds to help with your backgrounds. Also maybe suggest a couple changes of clothes, cap & gown, letter jacket, etc.. And bring a prop or two..like if she plays basketball - bring a basketball to pose with that. I try not to pose the high school seniors - I let them kinda do it themselves and just make suggestions. They are very good at posing now with all their selfie practice.
Good Luck !!!
What really helps me (along with all the other gre... (show quote)


Thank you, Tommi. I'll see if I can find somebody. My kids are grown, and they hate it when I photograph them. But wait .. there's my niece .. and yes you are right ... her selfies look like she's pro model or something. LOL

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Aug 20, 2016 10:33:20   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Sandra - You'll get as many responses a people... I'd use only the 6D, the 100 macro and the 50 f/1.4 assuming you'll have both head shots and wider shots in outdoor situations. Without help holding reflectors, I think you should reawaken your confidence in your flash as fill.


Ditto>

I'd setup the flash on a lightweight stand, use an umbrella or softbox on it, put sandbags on the legs, have someone stand where you are going to take the pictures and dial it in on them in manual settings. Once you do that the settings will be the same for everyone. Most senior pictures are head shots or head and shoulder shots. If it's windy outside, forget the flash stand and use a frame on your camera to put the flash higher and off to the side so that you don't get redeye, and so that you don't have flash that's too harsh. Use a modifier on your flash head. Again practice on one person and then leave it alone.

Once set, remember, you can't backup or step forward even a foot or your flash will become too weak or too strong. So if you do move around, be sure to check your camera LCD and histogram to make sure that you aren't way off on your lighting.

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Aug 20, 2016 11:17:31   #
Skitch Loc: Las Vegas, NV
 
Nightski,

Kudos to you for doing this! I agree with so many of the comments, especially the 100mm f2.8 lens suggestions. I just did this (with a MAJOR benefit, it was my granddaughter who has suffered picture taking by GranGran for 18 years๐Ÿ˜‚), so I will offer my suggestions.

Jenny wanted pictures at Dusneyland, in front of the castle. TAKE PICTURES EARLY IN THE DAY! Sun is critical - and you may not have the crowd issue I did. I used a Nikon D7200, Tamron 28-70 f2.8, and shot manual. I did not use a flash (Nikon S800), and should have in some of the shots. Post processing helps, but as mentioned above, be very aware of what is going on in the background: branches/poles/spikes coming out of head is a bad thing! (Not to mention reflections off anything in the background!)

The pre-meeting is a GREAT idea! Find out what her favorite areas are and plan around that. We shot at Disnelyland and later at Lake Tahoe (yes, sun at 6,800' can be more challenging), so plan on options if she has them.

Good luck to you, and take lots of pictures so you have choices!๐Ÿ‘

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