Various Rants- Primarily Canon's Image Sensor's & Misc (If Nikon & Sony Can Do It, Canon Can Do It Also!!!) Bttr Snsr
Jul 28, 2016 16:28:36 #
Photography is the greatest Hobby that there is, in all the world, and we are blessed to have it as our own, and to know so much about it, and to understand as deeply as we do; to be able to own all of our wonderful equipment,
and to freely use it, and to enjoy what it produces for us. We have it very good compared to other people, who lead more boring lives than we do, without our wonderful Hobby of Photography; and UHH, is such a great theater, for
all of us to join together and meet to share our ideas, questions, and comments, regarding facets pertaining to our wonderful hobby and craft; it really goes far beyond what words can describe. I'm happy to be a part of this group, with all of the rest of you devoted Photographer's and I desire for all of you to be as happy and full of joy as I always am. Sometimes, in some of my posts, I do overreact, or respond too quickly, and say the wrong thing, other than that, which really lies in my kind heart, but in reality, I love each and everyone of you. All of you, who are the UHH. As you are all brothers and sisters to me. Including those who are wild about only Canon camera's and the same for the Nikon guy's, the Sony's, Olympus's, and the Pentax guys, also! As I know in my heart and mind, that they're all fine and wonderful pieces of equipment, which do perform so greatly that it's beyond the scope of our collective imagination that any of these devices can even perform the tasks which they do. I personally have no brand favoritism. I do periodically speak of the image sensor measurements which Dxomark has measured, obtained, and published, and the consequent ramifications which this data bears to the photographic public and the camera manufacturer's themselves. Yet, in my own mind, this is due to the fact that if Nikon is marketing cameras which are capable of achieving significantly higher ratings in their dynamic range testing scores, than similarly priced Canon camera's can produce, ongoing, over time, and much poorer, low light ISO levels, as well, both of these, than, either Nikon, or, Sony is producing, ongoing, for many years now, than it is Canon's duty, and responsibility, to address this ongoing situation, to take whatever action is needed, to remedy the problem. Canon must, resolve this situation, on behalf of their loyal customer's, who choose to continue to stand by them, and their products. Canon, must do whatever is required to obtain and include in their camera's, image sensor's that are the equal to those
that Nikon, has been utilizing, in all of their camera's, for so many years. It is not right for this giant industrial corporation to simply continue to manufacture and market in the U.S.A. DSLR camera's, that have commonly known, inferior image sensor's, to those that are currently available in the market, by their number one, and two, competitors, that is Nikon, and Sony. It is not right, that they simply "rest on their laurels", while they allow Nikon and Sony to triumph, over them, in this very important matter, of DSLR camera design, and manufacture. Canon's camera's are, great camera's, however, they should be at minimum, the exact equal, to the Nikon camera's, in EVERY WAY, and Yet, in this one way, regarding the image sensor performance characteristics, such as, the measured maximum Dynamic Range, and the maximum ISO level, during low light, at measured noise performance, that can be achieved, while remaining under the prescribed noise level threshold, the Canon camera's, are consistently inferior, to the Nikon camera's. Exception's only occurring, in certain cameras: 6D, 1DX, 5DS-R. Except for the one, 6D, the other two camera's are over $3,500.00, and $6,000.00. While Nikon even has their Nikon D-3300, that you can shop around for and find with a zoom VR lens, 18-55mm, for $365.00! Canon's 6Ti, 6Ts, 7D MK II all, have very poor sensor ratings, vs. Nikon's equivalents: D-3300, D-5500, D-7200.
Canon has a decent sensor rating, (and still not the best,) once you arrive at it's FULL FRAME, 5D MK III, which is rated at 81, and it sells for, $3,500.00!!! Now, Canon, has finally, introduced, their new, 80D camera, which is, a nice camera, and has a greatly improved, image sensor, and at a nice mid-price point. This is, good, for them. So, perhaps, they may have gotten the message, after so many years, and are beginning to act on it, and in the future we will see other mid, and even lower priced camera's, coming out from them, with industry competitive sensor's, that are somewhere "in the same realm" as Nikon's, and Sony's are; so that, they can do away, "with the big hole," in their product line up's specification's, regarding their image sensor's, lack of dynamic contrast, and low light performance! This would then, put Canon's DSLR's, onto an equal footing, with the Nikon DSLR's, and Sony! And, things from there, would become very interesting! YET, I'm aware of this image sensor situation, and I don't like it one bit, and Canon aggravates me, by doing this, ongoing, still, into the mid 2016's!. This needs to come to a halt. Again, hopefully the 80D, is the first sign, of that beginning to happen.
I was this past April, shopping for a new camera body, and having many Canon lenses, I was seriously considering purchasing the Canon 7D Mark II, I was also looking at the Nikon D-7200, and I was very carefully comparing these two camera's, in ultra fine detail. I read carefully, every review, that had been published, on each of these camera's.
I went to the Brick and Mortar store, and spent two hours handling, each of these two camera's. I talked with people who owned them. I read all that DXOMARK had cited regarding both of their image sensor's, the total score's, and the color bit's, the dynamic range, and the low light ISO rating, prior to excessive noise. I read in both of their owner's manuals at length. My conclusion was that they are both, extremely good camera's! The Canon had a superior focusing system, suited better for high speed action, and BIF. The Nikon had an extremely fine focus system, aimed at all sorts of normal usage, and it could be used for any purpose. The Canon was slightly quicker in maximum bursts, and deeper in it's buffer, again, good for action, and BIF; (which I would NEVER DO.) But, the Image sensor, which is Very Important to me, on the Canon, was Very Poor! It actually had the exact same, specifications, measured, as my six year old, 2010 Canon Rebel T2i, has!!! Right across the board!!!
While the Nikon D-7200, has Image Sensor Specs, that are So Very Extremely High...They are the Highest, of Any Available APS-C Camera, Made at that time! It was rated so far above Canon's 5D MK III !!! that it was in a different world! (Canon 5D MK III = 81 Nikon D-7200 = 87, and the 5D is Full Frame, the D-7200 is APS-C!)
It was up in the DXOMARK's grouping, of all of the Nikon Full Frame Camera's, (They are, the, ENTIRE. 1/3 TOP, OF THE SENSOR LIST!!!) that continued right up, to the very highest level, of the rating chart!!! for sensor performance!!! This, and several other things, made me want to purchase, the D-7200!!!
The Extremely Poor, Sensor Rating, (Down Right Terrible, and Pathetic!!! of the 7D MK II, KEPT ME. From Even Considering Purchasing that camera! I just, Would NOT!!!, buy, ANY camera, that had a Sensor, that had, Specs,
that were, SO, Very Low, Even, though, it was a very Great camera, in All other ways!!!
I understand, that it IS, a great camera, for action, and BIF,
which I would not have ever used it for!...but for landscapes, and still lifes, and portraits. So that image sensor's performance rating's, were very important, to me, for how, I, was going to be, using the camera, and it's image sensor; for someone else, it might not have mattered so much!...I now love!!! my Nikon D-7200, and I'm very glad! that I bought it!!! I also, love my old Canon EOS Rebel T2i, which is still, just like new; and the four lenses, that I have for it, (that I can also use, on my Sony A-6000, with my Metabones Adapter, and they all focus properly, and work perfectly, in every way,) this Sony A-6000, is my favorite camera, of all three! It's sensor, also scored very high, in the rating's, the Sony A-6000 scored an 82; ($800.00) w/16-50mm lens; the Nikon D-7200 scored an 87, ($1,050.00 for the body); my Nikon D-3300, an 82, ($365.00 w/18-55 lens), my (Six Year Old), 2010 Canon EOS Rebel T2i, scored a 66, ($1,000.00 body),
the CANON 7D MK II, IS A VERY LOW RATED SEVENTY, (70)!!! (About the same, as my six year old, Canon Rebel, they are right next to each other, in the sensor score ratings! That is your current, State of the Art DSLR?!!? LOL!!! ROTLF!!!) and a body at ($1,800.00).
For your reference, THE HIGHEST RATED IMAGE SENSOR OF ALL AVAILABLE CAMERA"S IS THE:
Nikon D-810, at Ninety-Seven !!! (97) !!!, ($3,300.00 Body). It is THE HIGHEST, OF ALL, CAMERAS SOLD!
The popular, Canon 5D MK III, scores 81. ($3,500.00 Body).
THE HIGHEST, OF ALL, CANON'S, is the Canon EOS 1DX MK II, at 88. ($6,000.00).
There is also, Canon's EOS 5DS, scored at 83. ($3,700.00)
and EOS 5DS-R, scored at 82 for ($3,900.00)
**The NEW, Canon EOS 80D Sensor, is 79, Which is better, than all of their other mid and low price DSLR camera sensor's are. This is finally in the ballpark, a first, from Canon, at this price! It shows, that Canon, does plan on improving, their image sensor's, in the future. ($1,200.00 Body, and a very nice camera! Not a D-7200, but not all that far away.)
BUT FOR $150.00 LESS, THAN THAT, You Could, Buy Nikon's D-7200, Which gives you an image sensor, that is rated at 87, rather than just 79! There is just no comparing the two. (It is like a Ford Mustang vs a Porsche 911; the image sensors...)
The image sensor IS THE, Heart of the camera...that is what records the image, that comes through the lens. There is no other single part of the camera, that is more critical, to it's performance, than this. That is the digital "film," which captures the image that the lens focuses onto it, that is then recorded. That image sensor, is, the heart of the camera.
I would purchase the Nikon D-7200 camera, hand's down! Also, Not Just, for the better sensor...
I was recently in the position, to purchase the Canon 80D, and seriously, considering, doing it, after I already had, the Nikon D-7200, (and the Canon EOS Rebel T2i, and the Sony A-6000), I had the cash, to spend, on photographic gear. I have the Canon EOS Rebel T2i 50mm 1.8 stm, 18-135mm IS, 10-18mm IS STM, 70-200mm 4 L, and could've added the 80D, to the Canon Gear...but, I chose instead, not, to buy it, something in me, just said, "No, don't buy it." And instead, I went on, to purchase a bunch of different loose photographic items, instead: Lightroom 6, on CD, Nikon D-3300 Red, 18-55mm G ED VR II $365.00 (as a back up Nikon camera to the 7200), Pelican Case with Dividers $219.00, 2 year Nikon Extended Service Warranty, on the D-7200, for $129.00, A few good Filters, an Electronic Timer for the Nikon, a Nikon Remote Release, Leather Case, Nikon Battery Grip MD-B15 for the D-7200, at $240.00 Maybe I'll still get the 80D, at another time, I really, do like the camera, allot.
Have a great day everyone!
Happy Photography, to ALL OF YOU: Canon Photographer's ESPECIALLY!
PLEASE, REMEMBER, THAT I AM, A CANON PHOTOGRAPHER, TOO! (When I speak, of their relative, sensor crappy performance!...) It's relative to what it could and should be. What Canon is keeping it from being for their own nefarious reasons. If Nikon and Sony can do it...Canon can do it also!!! Rob.
REMEMBER THAT THIS IS ALL MY OWN OPINION AND MY OWN INTERPRETATION OF THE FACTS; SO NO ONE HAVE A COW OVER WHAT I'VE WRITTEN HERE. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION AS WELL. I DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK OF ME BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH MY OPINION OF THE FACTS.
HAVE A NICE DAY AND EVENING. ROB. PS- I BELIEVE THAT CANON MAKES GREAT CAMERA'S BUT THEY ARE HOLDING OUT TO THEIR CUSTOMER'S ON THEIR IMAGE SENSOR'S ON MANY OF THEIR CAMERA MODELS, ESP
ASP-C EXCEPT FOR THE 80D.
and to freely use it, and to enjoy what it produces for us. We have it very good compared to other people, who lead more boring lives than we do, without our wonderful Hobby of Photography; and UHH, is such a great theater, for
all of us to join together and meet to share our ideas, questions, and comments, regarding facets pertaining to our wonderful hobby and craft; it really goes far beyond what words can describe. I'm happy to be a part of this group, with all of the rest of you devoted Photographer's and I desire for all of you to be as happy and full of joy as I always am. Sometimes, in some of my posts, I do overreact, or respond too quickly, and say the wrong thing, other than that, which really lies in my kind heart, but in reality, I love each and everyone of you. All of you, who are the UHH. As you are all brothers and sisters to me. Including those who are wild about only Canon camera's and the same for the Nikon guy's, the Sony's, Olympus's, and the Pentax guys, also! As I know in my heart and mind, that they're all fine and wonderful pieces of equipment, which do perform so greatly that it's beyond the scope of our collective imagination that any of these devices can even perform the tasks which they do. I personally have no brand favoritism. I do periodically speak of the image sensor measurements which Dxomark has measured, obtained, and published, and the consequent ramifications which this data bears to the photographic public and the camera manufacturer's themselves. Yet, in my own mind, this is due to the fact that if Nikon is marketing cameras which are capable of achieving significantly higher ratings in their dynamic range testing scores, than similarly priced Canon camera's can produce, ongoing, over time, and much poorer, low light ISO levels, as well, both of these, than, either Nikon, or, Sony is producing, ongoing, for many years now, than it is Canon's duty, and responsibility, to address this ongoing situation, to take whatever action is needed, to remedy the problem. Canon must, resolve this situation, on behalf of their loyal customer's, who choose to continue to stand by them, and their products. Canon, must do whatever is required to obtain and include in their camera's, image sensor's that are the equal to those
that Nikon, has been utilizing, in all of their camera's, for so many years. It is not right for this giant industrial corporation to simply continue to manufacture and market in the U.S.A. DSLR camera's, that have commonly known, inferior image sensor's, to those that are currently available in the market, by their number one, and two, competitors, that is Nikon, and Sony. It is not right, that they simply "rest on their laurels", while they allow Nikon and Sony to triumph, over them, in this very important matter, of DSLR camera design, and manufacture. Canon's camera's are, great camera's, however, they should be at minimum, the exact equal, to the Nikon camera's, in EVERY WAY, and Yet, in this one way, regarding the image sensor performance characteristics, such as, the measured maximum Dynamic Range, and the maximum ISO level, during low light, at measured noise performance, that can be achieved, while remaining under the prescribed noise level threshold, the Canon camera's, are consistently inferior, to the Nikon camera's. Exception's only occurring, in certain cameras: 6D, 1DX, 5DS-R. Except for the one, 6D, the other two camera's are over $3,500.00, and $6,000.00. While Nikon even has their Nikon D-3300, that you can shop around for and find with a zoom VR lens, 18-55mm, for $365.00! Canon's 6Ti, 6Ts, 7D MK II all, have very poor sensor ratings, vs. Nikon's equivalents: D-3300, D-5500, D-7200.
Canon has a decent sensor rating, (and still not the best,) once you arrive at it's FULL FRAME, 5D MK III, which is rated at 81, and it sells for, $3,500.00!!! Now, Canon, has finally, introduced, their new, 80D camera, which is, a nice camera, and has a greatly improved, image sensor, and at a nice mid-price point. This is, good, for them. So, perhaps, they may have gotten the message, after so many years, and are beginning to act on it, and in the future we will see other mid, and even lower priced camera's, coming out from them, with industry competitive sensor's, that are somewhere "in the same realm" as Nikon's, and Sony's are; so that, they can do away, "with the big hole," in their product line up's specification's, regarding their image sensor's, lack of dynamic contrast, and low light performance! This would then, put Canon's DSLR's, onto an equal footing, with the Nikon DSLR's, and Sony! And, things from there, would become very interesting! YET, I'm aware of this image sensor situation, and I don't like it one bit, and Canon aggravates me, by doing this, ongoing, still, into the mid 2016's!. This needs to come to a halt. Again, hopefully the 80D, is the first sign, of that beginning to happen.
I was this past April, shopping for a new camera body, and having many Canon lenses, I was seriously considering purchasing the Canon 7D Mark II, I was also looking at the Nikon D-7200, and I was very carefully comparing these two camera's, in ultra fine detail. I read carefully, every review, that had been published, on each of these camera's.
I went to the Brick and Mortar store, and spent two hours handling, each of these two camera's. I talked with people who owned them. I read all that DXOMARK had cited regarding both of their image sensor's, the total score's, and the color bit's, the dynamic range, and the low light ISO rating, prior to excessive noise. I read in both of their owner's manuals at length. My conclusion was that they are both, extremely good camera's! The Canon had a superior focusing system, suited better for high speed action, and BIF. The Nikon had an extremely fine focus system, aimed at all sorts of normal usage, and it could be used for any purpose. The Canon was slightly quicker in maximum bursts, and deeper in it's buffer, again, good for action, and BIF; (which I would NEVER DO.) But, the Image sensor, which is Very Important to me, on the Canon, was Very Poor! It actually had the exact same, specifications, measured, as my six year old, 2010 Canon Rebel T2i, has!!! Right across the board!!!
While the Nikon D-7200, has Image Sensor Specs, that are So Very Extremely High...They are the Highest, of Any Available APS-C Camera, Made at that time! It was rated so far above Canon's 5D MK III !!! that it was in a different world! (Canon 5D MK III = 81 Nikon D-7200 = 87, and the 5D is Full Frame, the D-7200 is APS-C!)
It was up in the DXOMARK's grouping, of all of the Nikon Full Frame Camera's, (They are, the, ENTIRE. 1/3 TOP, OF THE SENSOR LIST!!!) that continued right up, to the very highest level, of the rating chart!!! for sensor performance!!! This, and several other things, made me want to purchase, the D-7200!!!
The Extremely Poor, Sensor Rating, (Down Right Terrible, and Pathetic!!! of the 7D MK II, KEPT ME. From Even Considering Purchasing that camera! I just, Would NOT!!!, buy, ANY camera, that had a Sensor, that had, Specs,
that were, SO, Very Low, Even, though, it was a very Great camera, in All other ways!!!
I understand, that it IS, a great camera, for action, and BIF,
which I would not have ever used it for!...but for landscapes, and still lifes, and portraits. So that image sensor's performance rating's, were very important, to me, for how, I, was going to be, using the camera, and it's image sensor; for someone else, it might not have mattered so much!...I now love!!! my Nikon D-7200, and I'm very glad! that I bought it!!! I also, love my old Canon EOS Rebel T2i, which is still, just like new; and the four lenses, that I have for it, (that I can also use, on my Sony A-6000, with my Metabones Adapter, and they all focus properly, and work perfectly, in every way,) this Sony A-6000, is my favorite camera, of all three! It's sensor, also scored very high, in the rating's, the Sony A-6000 scored an 82; ($800.00) w/16-50mm lens; the Nikon D-7200 scored an 87, ($1,050.00 for the body); my Nikon D-3300, an 82, ($365.00 w/18-55 lens), my (Six Year Old), 2010 Canon EOS Rebel T2i, scored a 66, ($1,000.00 body),
the CANON 7D MK II, IS A VERY LOW RATED SEVENTY, (70)!!! (About the same, as my six year old, Canon Rebel, they are right next to each other, in the sensor score ratings! That is your current, State of the Art DSLR?!!? LOL!!! ROTLF!!!) and a body at ($1,800.00).
For your reference, THE HIGHEST RATED IMAGE SENSOR OF ALL AVAILABLE CAMERA"S IS THE:
Nikon D-810, at Ninety-Seven !!! (97) !!!, ($3,300.00 Body). It is THE HIGHEST, OF ALL, CAMERAS SOLD!
The popular, Canon 5D MK III, scores 81. ($3,500.00 Body).
THE HIGHEST, OF ALL, CANON'S, is the Canon EOS 1DX MK II, at 88. ($6,000.00).
There is also, Canon's EOS 5DS, scored at 83. ($3,700.00)
and EOS 5DS-R, scored at 82 for ($3,900.00)
**The NEW, Canon EOS 80D Sensor, is 79, Which is better, than all of their other mid and low price DSLR camera sensor's are. This is finally in the ballpark, a first, from Canon, at this price! It shows, that Canon, does plan on improving, their image sensor's, in the future. ($1,200.00 Body, and a very nice camera! Not a D-7200, but not all that far away.)
BUT FOR $150.00 LESS, THAN THAT, You Could, Buy Nikon's D-7200, Which gives you an image sensor, that is rated at 87, rather than just 79! There is just no comparing the two. (It is like a Ford Mustang vs a Porsche 911; the image sensors...)
The image sensor IS THE, Heart of the camera...that is what records the image, that comes through the lens. There is no other single part of the camera, that is more critical, to it's performance, than this. That is the digital "film," which captures the image that the lens focuses onto it, that is then recorded. That image sensor, is, the heart of the camera.
I would purchase the Nikon D-7200 camera, hand's down! Also, Not Just, for the better sensor...
I was recently in the position, to purchase the Canon 80D, and seriously, considering, doing it, after I already had, the Nikon D-7200, (and the Canon EOS Rebel T2i, and the Sony A-6000), I had the cash, to spend, on photographic gear. I have the Canon EOS Rebel T2i 50mm 1.8 stm, 18-135mm IS, 10-18mm IS STM, 70-200mm 4 L, and could've added the 80D, to the Canon Gear...but, I chose instead, not, to buy it, something in me, just said, "No, don't buy it." And instead, I went on, to purchase a bunch of different loose photographic items, instead: Lightroom 6, on CD, Nikon D-3300 Red, 18-55mm G ED VR II $365.00 (as a back up Nikon camera to the 7200), Pelican Case with Dividers $219.00, 2 year Nikon Extended Service Warranty, on the D-7200, for $129.00, A few good Filters, an Electronic Timer for the Nikon, a Nikon Remote Release, Leather Case, Nikon Battery Grip MD-B15 for the D-7200, at $240.00 Maybe I'll still get the 80D, at another time, I really, do like the camera, allot.
Have a great day everyone!
Happy Photography, to ALL OF YOU: Canon Photographer's ESPECIALLY!
PLEASE, REMEMBER, THAT I AM, A CANON PHOTOGRAPHER, TOO! (When I speak, of their relative, sensor crappy performance!...) It's relative to what it could and should be. What Canon is keeping it from being for their own nefarious reasons. If Nikon and Sony can do it...Canon can do it also!!! Rob.
REMEMBER THAT THIS IS ALL MY OWN OPINION AND MY OWN INTERPRETATION OF THE FACTS; SO NO ONE HAVE A COW OVER WHAT I'VE WRITTEN HERE. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION AS WELL. I DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK OF ME BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH MY OPINION OF THE FACTS.
HAVE A NICE DAY AND EVENING. ROB. PS- I BELIEVE THAT CANON MAKES GREAT CAMERA'S BUT THEY ARE HOLDING OUT TO THEIR CUSTOMER'S ON THEIR IMAGE SENSOR'S ON MANY OF THEIR CAMERA MODELS, ESP
ASP-C EXCEPT FOR THE 80D.
Jul 28, 2016 17:51:14 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
Wow! A bit over-the-top, n'est-ce pas? I think you may need to get a life. Your sound angry and your post makes it seem like you want to pick a fight, but I hope others will not take you up on it. There are many many professionals who are happily shooting with the same cameras that you're criticizing. There are still people taking state-of-the-art photographs with great composition and wonderful use of light with ten-year-old sensors. There are also people out there taking crap with the best sensors Sony makes. I happen to have a 7D2 and love it for all the things it does well. A great camera is not just about the sensor and great photographs are not just about the camera body used. If you don't like Canon products I suggest you just avoid them and save all your vitriol for something really important.
Jul 28, 2016 18:30:14 #
Jul 28, 2016 19:58:50 #
WoooW, why do those that can't shoot, worry Sooo much about their sensors?!?!
More pros use Canon than every other brand combined......, what the h*ll do THEY know that you don't?!?!?!
SS
More pros use Canon than every other brand combined......, what the h*ll do THEY know that you don't?!?!?!
SS
Jul 28, 2016 20:14:14 #
mwsilvers wrote:
Wow! A bit over-the-top, n'est-ce pas? I think you... (show quote)
I hear every word that you're saying, and I agree with all that you say; yet, I'm not angry; what you pick up is my disgust with Canon using inferior low rated image sensor's. Ever since I first learned about this, I've just been completely blown away by the fact that such a huge company, in such an extremely competitive business would use image sensor's that were in any way less than their major competition uses. I know that people everywhere use Canon camera's and get excellent results from certain models of them, yet most all of what we see, that's great work produced by Canon camera's, has been produced by Canon camera's, that have no issues with "low performance" image sensor's! The work that is published has been shot on Canon camera's such as: MK 5D III, 5DS, 5DS-R, 1DX, etc. Not their 6Ti, 6Ts, 7D MK II! In other words, the public sees the work of their full frame camera's, and never the stuff shot by their APS-C sensor camera's, which have the lame image sensors. Yes, of course they work; they do operate, as they're supposed to, but they aren't as good, as the better rated ASP-C sensor's. Canon should be, installing better sensor's into it's APS-C DSLR's. Then their ASP-C camera's would take better images.
Jul 28, 2016 20:31:48 #
SharpShooter wrote:
WoooW, why do those that can't shoot, worry Sooo much abohttp://www.uglyhedgehog.com/edit-post-screen?postnum=6760487#ut their sensors?!?!
More pros use Canon than every other brand combined......, what the h*ll do THEY know that you don't?!?!?!
SS
More pros use Canon than every other brand combined......, what the h*ll do THEY know that you don't?!?!?!
SS
Listen, dopey, the Pro's DON'T shoot w/ APS-C camera's, that I'm talking about.
They shoot full frame cameras.
So, you, don't even know what you're talking about.
Sharp Shit
And why do you say that I can't shoot?
Because, you are, a little man, trying, to get a cheap shot in.
Rob.
Grow up.
I'm talking about ASP-C camera's, that Pro's don't use, smart ass.
Moron, if you actually read my OP you would now, that I said that Canon full frame's have decent sensors and I stated their specs...you freaking Monkey.
Learn to read a full post very carefully before you open up your mouth and talk crap.
Have a nice day. Big Shot.
(Don't throw crap at me if you don't want it thrown back at you.)
Jul 28, 2016 21:13:00 #
Big Rob, you're obsessing over sensors way too much, and it appears to be driving you bonkers. Sensor performance is not the essence of photography. Photography is about creating images that express something, images that have meaning, communicate, and give insight about life and ourselves.
Maybe it's time for a new hobby for you.
Maybe it's time for a new hobby for you.
Jul 28, 2016 22:46:12 #
BIG ROB wrote:
Listen, dopey, the Pro's DON'T shoot w/ APS-C came... (show quote)
LoL, LoL...., you'd think someone kicked you in the NUTS!!!
SS
Jul 28, 2016 23:19:25 #
What's a little odd is he wrote the following quote on February 29th, 2016 when he was having a Nikon issue on his 7200.
There must be a change of heart...
BIG ROB wrote:
I've got a Canon DSLR and a Sony Mirrorless, they're both great!
There must be a change of heart...
Jul 29, 2016 00:51:19 #
Jul 29, 2016 04:17:38 #
Isn't it normal practice for most brands to have a range of price/quality? It's common practice for there to be a flagship product an entry level product and others in between. If the entry level product was as good as the flagship product why would you buy the flagship product?
When it comes to DSLR's I don't think there is a bad DSLR in good conditions you would be hard pushed to see a difference in quality at say 5 by 7 probably 8 by 10 certainly not if you used comparable lenses.
Where you start to see a difference is in the edge cases, low light, faster frame rates, faster focus systems, bigger buffers, better ergonomics, weather sealing, lens options, card formats and speeds, movie modes, higher resolution sensors live view flash sync speeds & methods etc.
So camera's have strengths and weaknesses some can keep producing high quality images in conditions where others can't, but on a sunny day they are all pretty much up to the task. However it is not all about the camera the most important part is the photographer.
What you shoot, how you shoot it, how you compose it how you use the light, when you use the light, your choice of lens, how you process the image. Then there are the social skills, putting your subject at ease organising groups, your choice of tools (do you use reflectors flash and all its modifiers). Can you approach wildlife with some sensitivity without spooking the animal or even pick the right spot to sit quietly and discretely and pick the right moment.
Without the skills, even with the best camera you still will take a lot of poor photographs, with the right skills and the right camera you can be in marginal conditions and get the images you want at least some of the time, we also all get lucky from time to time :)
It is foolish to think that an entry level camera will have the performance envelope of a flagship camera and I think it's true some canon sensors are not as good as some other sensors, it is true of other brands too! In good conditions it doesn't matter. It really is the photographer who makes the photograph and if you can't get it right in good conditions then you will not do well in bad conditions either.
The worst part of any camera system is the photographer and most of the time it is not the camera that is the problem. Work on your skills first and then worry about the camera. Maybe the social skills are the most crucial because a photograph isn't just about the subject but the interaction between the photographer and the subject. No one is going to be comfortable around an angry photographer.
It's not the camera.
When it comes to DSLR's I don't think there is a bad DSLR in good conditions you would be hard pushed to see a difference in quality at say 5 by 7 probably 8 by 10 certainly not if you used comparable lenses.
Where you start to see a difference is in the edge cases, low light, faster frame rates, faster focus systems, bigger buffers, better ergonomics, weather sealing, lens options, card formats and speeds, movie modes, higher resolution sensors live view flash sync speeds & methods etc.
So camera's have strengths and weaknesses some can keep producing high quality images in conditions where others can't, but on a sunny day they are all pretty much up to the task. However it is not all about the camera the most important part is the photographer.
What you shoot, how you shoot it, how you compose it how you use the light, when you use the light, your choice of lens, how you process the image. Then there are the social skills, putting your subject at ease organising groups, your choice of tools (do you use reflectors flash and all its modifiers). Can you approach wildlife with some sensitivity without spooking the animal or even pick the right spot to sit quietly and discretely and pick the right moment.
Without the skills, even with the best camera you still will take a lot of poor photographs, with the right skills and the right camera you can be in marginal conditions and get the images you want at least some of the time, we also all get lucky from time to time :)
It is foolish to think that an entry level camera will have the performance envelope of a flagship camera and I think it's true some canon sensors are not as good as some other sensors, it is true of other brands too! In good conditions it doesn't matter. It really is the photographer who makes the photograph and if you can't get it right in good conditions then you will not do well in bad conditions either.
The worst part of any camera system is the photographer and most of the time it is not the camera that is the problem. Work on your skills first and then worry about the camera. Maybe the social skills are the most crucial because a photograph isn't just about the subject but the interaction between the photographer and the subject. No one is going to be comfortable around an angry photographer.
It's not the camera.
Jul 29, 2016 04:40:58 #
SharpShooter wrote:
WoooW, why do those that can't shoot, worry Sooo much about their sensors?!?!
More pros use Canon than every other brand combined......, what the h*ll do THEY know that you don't?!?!?!
SS
More pros use Canon than every other brand combined......, what the h*ll do THEY know that you don't?!?!?!
SS
How to use canon camera's :) Unfortunately we tend to buy into a system and changing systems is generally a step backwards as you have to learn the new system. Pretty fair chance when they were starting out an entry level canon was what was available and they could afford and they moved on up with the canon system. Many Pro photographers don't shoot canon what do they know? :)
If there is a photographer you admire , would you rather have his camera or his skill set? I know which I'd choose and it wouldn't be the camera.
Jul 29, 2016 06:10:29 #
As a Canon owner, I find this diatribe interesting, as it made me realize that canon actually cares about me. I say this because they must have known that making me learn to overcome the inferiority their products would actually help me to become a better photographer. THANK YOU, CANON!
Jul 29, 2016 06:51:49 #
And I thought pictures were more important than numbers on a website. I just bought a new 5D3 to use alongside my now 3-year-old 6D and have no complaints about either. I guess I need to sell the lot and buy a pair of Nikon D810s.
Jul 29, 2016 06:56:56 #
Big Rob. Please post the recipe for those brownies you've been cooking. I could really do with some mental jet fuel in the mornings. I was wondering why nobody seemed to notice there is not a single Canon body in DxOMark's Top 20.
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