Magic Lantern
Jun 5, 2016 15:16:37 #
Bill Emmett wrote:
Bricking a camera is anything you do to your camera that may completely render your camera absolutely useless. Or, turning it into a brick, or doorstop, or boat anchor.
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Doesn't a boat anchor require tethering which needs some basic operational functionality?
Jun 5, 2016 16:18:42 #
Not when the other end of the tether is tied to your ankle when you toss the "brick" over the side.
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Jun 5, 2016 16:22:15 #
Bill Emmett wrote:
Not when the other end of the tether is tied to your ankle when you toss the "brick" over the side.
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Doesn't that depend upon the mass of the brick and/or the strength of the tether?
Jun 5, 2016 18:09:26 #
Maybe we can hold up on the witty comments as there are so many running scared due to a few moronic scare mongers. 
Magic Lantern is located on your memory card and does not replace any firmware inside the camera. Your internal firmware loads then ML loads over top and you now have the best of both worlds. Don't like ML? Simply remove your mem card from the camera and replace with a normal card or reformat the old one removing ML. No sign that ML was ever on or in your camera. Seriously, I am kicking myself for waffling on the fence for 2 years.
Magic Lantern is located on your memory card and does not replace any firmware inside the camera. Your internal firmware loads then ML loads over top and you now have the best of both worlds. Don't like ML? Simply remove your mem card from the camera and replace with a normal card or reformat the old one removing ML. No sign that ML was ever on or in your camera. Seriously, I am kicking myself for waffling on the fence for 2 years.
Jun 5, 2016 20:07:41 #
big-guy wrote:
Maybe we can hold up on the witty comments as ther... (show quote)
Are you sure? I thought the ML instructions said that you do an uninstall process via the f/w update process in the regular camera menu. ML doesn't do damage, but it does leave a few hooks in the boot process that need to be removed cleanly. Go check it out....
Jun 6, 2016 07:49:54 #
Thank you for all the responses. I fill better about trying ML now.
PS: Sorry for the delayed response. My computer was busy with the Windows 7 to 10 upgrade. So far so good in that. I'm hoping ML on the 60D is as uneventful as the Windows 10 upgrade was.
PS: Sorry for the delayed response. My computer was busy with the Windows 7 to 10 upgrade. So far so good in that. I'm hoping ML on the 60D is as uneventful as the Windows 10 upgrade was.
Jun 6, 2016 07:52:56 #
Peterff wrote:
I just loaded the latest nightly builds on the T3i / T2i yesterday. No issues. It seems at least as stable as a Microsoft Windows or Apple iOS version! 
That is what I am worried about. :-{
I have spent many a day trying to recover from Microsoft updates.
Jun 6, 2016 08:23:41 #
I've been using Magic Lantern for over a year -- would never give it up! I like the extended bracketing, focus stacking, time-lapse video, RGB histogram with RAW support. Never had any problems.
Jun 6, 2016 08:26:38 #
I have 2 sets of cards. One with ML and the other without. If I replace the card in the camera with a non ML version then I have no ML. I discovered this doing a gigapan of the Manhattan skyline at sunset using AETTR and Dual ISO. The first (ML) card filled up approx 65-70% of the way in and when I put a new (non ML) card in the camera I had no ML so my evening was wasted. I now have 2 banks of cards, one with and one without. But I have never had an opportunity to use the ones without.
That said it is possible that very early versions did leave "hooks" but I see no sign of that now. Again, up to date documentation is sadly lacking on the ML site so it is up to the user to see what "was" and use that to determine what "is". Plus each camera has it's own version of ML because each camera has differing ways to do things. Some are close and others, such as my 50D, are definitely different. But hey, thanks to ML I can now record video albeit without sound.
That said it is possible that very early versions did leave "hooks" but I see no sign of that now. Again, up to date documentation is sadly lacking on the ML site so it is up to the user to see what "was" and use that to determine what "is". Plus each camera has it's own version of ML because each camera has differing ways to do things. Some are close and others, such as my 50D, are definitely different. But hey, thanks to ML I can now record video albeit without sound.
Peterff wrote:
Are you sure? I thought the ML instructions said that you do an uninstall process via the f/w update process in the regular camera menu. ML doesn't do damage, but it does leave a few hooks in the boot process that need to be removed cleanly. Go check it out....
Jun 6, 2016 16:19:17 #
big-guy wrote:
I have 2 sets of cards. One with ML and the other ... (show quote)
I haven't discovered an issues with using cards without ML on it, it defaults to standard operation, but I do tend to follow the instructions. Essentially it seems related to the boot flag, so it looks for ML if you have installed it, but if you uninstall it, then it resets to the factory standard. Not a big deal, but may be worth considering.
As you say, each version is camera specific, AND firmware version specific, so paying attention to detail is important. As with all thing YMMV.
Jun 6, 2016 16:22:19 #
tmehrkam wrote:
That is what I am worried about. :-{
I have spent many a day trying to recover from Microsoft updates.
I have spent many a day trying to recover from Microsoft updates.
I was being a little sarcastic. I have had zero issues with ML, but a few with Windows and iOS, but they are way more complicated. Computers are just like that.
Really I was suggesting that in my experience ML is equally as good if not better.
Jun 6, 2016 17:10:34 #
You got me checking this boot flag thing and after some, OK quite a bit of searching, there is a change to the actual ROM in camera. The boot flag is set to look for a boot-able card and if none is found it continues to boot as normal. However, if it does find a boot-able card then the boot instructions on the card are loaded. As you say, it is no big deal and in my opinion not worth considering. But thanks for making me search out all the facts. It also is a reversible option... but why???
Peterff wrote:
I haven't discovered an issues with using cards without ML on it, it defaults to standard operation, but I do tend to follow the instructions. Essentially it seems related to the boot flag, so it looks for ML if you have installed it, but if you uninstall it, then it resets to the factory standard. Not a big deal, but may be worth considering.
As you say, each version is camera specific, AND firmware version specific, so paying attention to detail is important. As with all thing YMMV.
As you say, each version is camera specific, AND firmware version specific, so paying attention to detail is important. As with all thing YMMV.
Jun 6, 2016 18:36:33 #
big-guy wrote:
You got me checking this boot flag thing and after some, OK quite a bit of searching, there is a change to the actual ROM in camera. The boot flag is set to look for a boot-able card and if none is found it continues to boot as normal. However, if it does find a boot-able card then the boot instructions on the card are loaded. As you say, it is no big deal and in my opinion not worth considering. But thanks for making me search out all the facts. It also is a reversible option... but why???
Why? I think to reset the camera to normal factory specs, and to offset any future but undefined problems. What if some other group of hackers uses the same mechanism? That could reflect badly on the ML guys, but if they explicitly provide a mechanism to reset to Canon standard, then the chances are they are clean legally.
Makes sense to me as a computer guy.
Jun 6, 2016 21:59:21 #
Occasionally I use CHDK on my Canon p&s camera. A bit cumbersome to navigate the menu, but works fine.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
Jun 6, 2016 22:01:17 #
rook2c4 wrote:
Occasionally I use CHDK on my Canon p&s camera. A bit cumbersome to navigate the menu, but works fine.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
I agree. Raw from a P&S, even if it is DNG is an advantage. It seems to work just fine...
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