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May 31, 2016 06:16:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
par4fore wrote:
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think the world of it! But, I have never seen so many problems and so much confusion with a "state of the art" program! If you shoot for a living, do weddings, have clients, then for you it is probably a must and well worth using. For the rest of us I really don't think it is worth the possible trouble and the learning curve. I have heard Lightroom can do everything Photoshop can but that is not the case. It does have the advantage of cataloging but if you don't need that then....
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think... (show quote)


I know where you're coming from. The processing part seems to be okay, but the way it deals with images - the cataloging - is what causes confusion. Unlike other programs, you don't import and save your pictures. Once you import them, you cannot import them again. Instead, you have to find them in the Library. Yes, it can be a hassle. Someone using this on a regular basis, every day for hours, will be accustomed to it and not give it a second thought. For those used to "normal" software, it is like interpreting the alien writing found at Roswell.

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May 31, 2016 06:20:40   #
par4fore Loc: Bay Shore N.Y.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I know where you're coming from. The processing part seems to be okay, but the way it deals with images - the cataloging - is what causes confusion. Unlike other programs, you don't import and save your pictures. Once you import them, you cannot import them again. Instead, you have to find them in the Library. Yes, it can be a hassle. Someone using this on a regular basis, every day for hours, will be accustomed to it and not give it a second thought. For those used to "normal" software, it is like interpreting the alien writing found at Roswell.
I know where you're coming from. The processing pa... (show quote)


Well said!!!

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May 31, 2016 06:23:31   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
par4fore wrote:
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think the world of it! But, I have never seen so many problems and so much confusion with a "state of the art" program! If you shoot for a living, do weddings, have clients, then for you it is probably a must and well worth using. For the rest of us I really don't think it is worth the possible trouble and the learning curve. I have heard Lightroom can do everything Photoshop can but that is not the case. It does have the advantage of cataloging but if you don't need that then....
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think... (show quote)


Why it when someone uses a new software package they don't do their homework before hand. There are oodles of youtube videos that with some time and patience can hold you hand through the learning process. It's fairly sophisticated package with an incredible amount function and probably more function than most of us need. Is it as powerful as PS, of course not. It's a poor man's version of PS with the cataloging, an incredible search function and non-destructive raw. Did I mention virtual copies and only one source file.

Bottom line, you did not take the time to learn about it and now carp that it sucks. If you want talk about which which product takes more time to learn LR or PS. PS is hands down longer and why it used to cost $500+ and LT $125.

Next time you take the written drivers test, do some more studying.

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May 31, 2016 07:02:28   #
Zone-System-Grandpa Loc: Springfield, Ohio
 
par4fore wrote:
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think the world of it! But, I have never seen so many problems and so much confusion with a "state of the art" program! If you shoot for a living, do weddings, have clients, then for you it is probably a must and well worth using. For the rest of us I really don't think it is worth the possible trouble and the learning curve. I have heard Lightroom can do everything Photoshop can but that is not the case. It does have the advantage of cataloging but if you don't need that then....
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think... (show quote)

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Young man, I have empathy for you and your situation regarding all of the flack that you are getting and I know that such is not what you had expected when you first joined UHH, but you might want to realize that a few of those who are haranguing you probably had or have jobs whereas they had a head start on you because they already had been working for years with PCs on jobs with their employment and they were fortunate to hit the road running when they were first introduced to Lightroom. Then, of course, there are a few of your haranguers who are trolls no matter what someone posts on our forum whereas they are unhappy with everything, mostly with their personal lives, and they have nothing else to do with their time anyway. Lastly, I've read several of your past threads and you seem to be a pretty nice fellow; so, if I were you, I would move on and put these fools behind you !

Best regards,
~ Doug ~

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May 31, 2016 07:16:34   #
tmehrkam Loc: Houston,Tx
 
You should not have to spend Months or take a course to use a program from light room or Photoshop. The user interfaces are poorly designed and confusing. Totally not necessary. The software is very sluggish.

I am working on learning it because the Canon software I used in the past which actually had a reasonable user interface was redesigned designed for windows 8. It is dumped down so bad it is basically useless and slow just light light room.

Simple things are very difficult. Try importing three new images on a SD card that already has 800 images on it. The stupid reads every image every time you import and takes 20 minutes to do a 30 second job. The documentation is worse than the user interface.

About one out of five times I bring the software up in gives me grief about my yearly subscription "which is paid up for a year is" had expired. Takes 10 minutes to resolve that BS.

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May 31, 2016 07:21:05   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
rwilson1942 wrote:
Anyone who thinks LR can do what Photoshop does doesn't understand either program.
I'm one of the 95-99% LR, 1-5% PS users, using PS when I need some of the capabilities that LR doesn't have, layers, etc.
The mistake most people make with LR is to start using it before they understand how it works, especially the file handling.
They then become frustrated and blame LR for their mistake. The cataloging, key wording and collections are a lot of what makes LR a great program but most new users don't bother to learn about those functions before they start using it. If all you want is RAW processing, there are plenty of other programs out there, even some of the free ones do a good job with editing. To each his (or her) own.
Anyone who thinks LR can do what Photoshop does do... (show quote)


Right On When I first started with LR3 did not understand it then took a course and got a book that helped Now I could not live without LR 95% of processing in LR and then 5 % in PS. I have presets in LR to help automate and Actions in PS to do the same . Then I modify a photo as needed Both LR and PS work seamlessly together and with 3rd party plug-ins

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May 31, 2016 07:34:52   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
You can't simply wade into a program like LR or PS any more than you can jump into an airplane for the first time and fly through a fog. I am 76+ years old and struggled with learning LR. Made a lot of mistakes and got into trouble, not because of the program but because of my own stupid mistakes and assumptions. Now LR is a breeze for me. It imports, organizes, processes, prints, sizes, exports and seamlessly moves back and forth with PS and Nik.

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May 31, 2016 07:37:37   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
rwilson1942 wrote:
Anyone who thinks LR can do what Photoshop does doesn't understand either program.
I'm one of the 95-99% LR, 1-5% PS users, using PS when I need some of the capabilities that LR doesn't have, layers, etc.
The mistake most people make with LR is to start using it before they understand how it works, especially the file handling.
They then become frustrated and blame LR for their mistake. The cataloging, key wording and collections are a lot of what makes LR a great program but most new users don't bother to learn about those functions before they start using it. If all you want is RAW processing, there are plenty of other programs out there, even some of the free ones do a good job with editing. To each his (or her) own.
Anyone who thinks LR can do what Photoshop does do... (show quote)

I couldn't agree more. I am just a hobbyist and find, like you, that I seldom need the power of PS and still don't use some of the photo rating capabilities in LR. I was immediately impressed with the Develop Module in LR, and as a result made it my goal to master the Library Module and Import Function. I still learn new things each time I view a webinar, and would not want to be without it!

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May 31, 2016 07:54:33   #
TWAhouston Loc: Katy Texas
 
I started with LR before spending any time learning how to use it and the more I played with it the more my head wanted to explode. People told me how intuitive Apple Aperature was so I switched over. Both softwares had some common themes but Aperature was a little easier to follow. When Apple announced they would discontinue Aperature I jumped back to LR. Oddly enough Aperature somewhat prepared me to LR effectively. By watching a few videos and what I learned in Aperature I now love LR and wouldn't trade it. The point is take some time to understand the basic premise of the program and don't try to rush the learning curve

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May 31, 2016 07:54:40   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
par4fore wrote:
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think the world of it! But, I have never seen so many problems and so much confusion with a "state of the art" program! If you shoot for a living, do weddings, have clients, then for you it is probably a must and well worth using. For the rest of us I really don't think it is worth the possible trouble and the learning curve. I have heard Lightroom can do everything Photoshop can but that is not the case. It does have the advantage of cataloging but if you don't need that then....
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think... (show quote)


My Granson's mom and dad hired this girl for his Graduation photos. Everyone thinks she's great.They got a disc full of photos, all overexposed and washed out. GRANDPA had to use Photo Shop to correct them. Must think Lightroom means light photos.

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May 31, 2016 07:59:33   #
Jim Bob
 
par4fore wrote:
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think the world of it! But, I have never seen so many problems and so much confusion with a "state of the art" program! If you shoot for a living, do weddings, have clients, then for you it is probably a must and well worth using. For the rest of us I really don't think it is worth the possible trouble and the learning curve. I have heard Lightroom can do everything Photoshop can but that is not the case. It does have the advantage of cataloging but if you don't need that then....
I know there are many that use Lightroom and think... (show quote)


That's why I prefer Corel Paintshop Pro.

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May 31, 2016 08:00:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rwilson1942 wrote:
Anyone who thinks LR can do what Photoshop does doesn't understand either program.
I'm one of the 95-99% LR, 1-5% PS users, using PS when I need some of the capabilities that LR doesn't have, layers, etc.
The mistake most people make with LR is to start using it before they understand how it works, especially the file handling.
They then become frustrated and blame LR for their mistake. The cataloging, key wording and collections are a lot of what makes LR a great program but most new users don't bother to learn about those functions before they start using it. If all you want is RAW processing, there are plenty of other programs out there, even some of the free ones do a good job with editing. To each his (or her) own.
Anyone who thinks LR can do what Photoshop does do... (show quote)





Lightroom was Adobe's first "crowd sourced" development project. If was conceived purely as a tool for professional photographers to use. I provided a tiny part of the input used to develop version 2.

If you do not understand that Lightroom is FAR MORE than a raw converter and image adjustment tool, and learn to take advantages of the other tools, then it will frustrate you. It is NOT Photoshop, and Photoshop isn't Lightroom. They intersect a little, mostly with ACR, but they were conceived as complements to each other.

So patience, grasshopper! There's more to learn than casual users want to learn. If you need or want something simpler, go get it!

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May 31, 2016 08:02:09   #
Jayne Loc: Wisconsin
 
I get a kick out of the thousands and thousands of how to videos out there to get one up and running with Lightroom, yet, despite all the info out there every photo forum I'm part of gets overtaken by Lightroom questions and their so called problem solvers. Seems to me if the software was so great this wouldn't be the case.....

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May 31, 2016 08:18:30   #
A.I.R. Loc: Carmel IN
 
Being guilty of being one of those users that jumped into lightroom, now am wanting to start all over. Removing the present files and start with a clean slate. Reading so much more and learning the true benefits of the program, I am make more of a mess trying to clean up the catalog, categories, ratings etc. Can anyone suggest the best way to achieve this? Would truly appreciate the advice, so I don't make a larger mess. My files on my hard drive are all unorganized from years, using different imports, should the cleanup begin there? then import? LOST in all my own doing,HELP

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May 31, 2016 08:27:48   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
par4fore wrote:
Rant, a little, based on past experience. I'm a Photoshop user but gave Lightroom a try (a few times). I used Adobe videos, bought CD'S and went to seminars by Tim Gray, I just could not deal with it. It was just not for me, the whole import, keywords, star ratings and the actual size and layout of the interface. But more than that, just how often do you see others post with issues, especially related to the library module.

Like I said also; "If you shoot for a living, do weddings, have clients, then for you, it is probably a must and well worth using."
I'll add to that, if you haven't had problems and your are already establish with it, I'm sure you are happy and it is a great program.
Rant, a little, based on past experience. I'm a Ph... (show quote)


My initial reaction to Lightroom was totally negative do to the catalog function. I prefer to do most things my way and avoid unnecessary complication. Changing to a 4K monitor reduced some of my editors unmanageable due to the text size at full resolution so I opted for the CC versions of PS/LR and quickly learned to get around the LR catalog.

Now I really like LR although I still need to use PS for some things. Its my go to editor.

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