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May 4, 2016 07:57:54   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
LFingar wrote:
When you combine Facebook and all the other on-line social networks with a camera phone you have the perfect accessory for all the millions of people in today's world who want to share, for reasons I'll never figure out, every moment of their lives with the entire rest of the world. "Just ate breakfast. Here's a pic of my toast". "Here's last night's dinner going down the toilet". "Cat just coughed up a hairball", etc, etc.


Another side effect of this need to share all of their life's minutia is delayed traffic. I've observed that in recent years, cars tend to sit at the traffic light longer after it has turned green. I believe many millenials believe traffic lights are the states little gift to them so they have time to update their youtwittface status.

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May 4, 2016 08:05:42   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Mac wrote:
Video.
As camera capabilities have become more and more the biggest selling point for phones, video capabilities have become bigger selling point for cameras.


I know several professional video shooters who have abandoned their dedicated video cameras for DSLRs. One thing most video cameras suffer from is the inability to create bokeh. They are just not designed to do that. Of course, the high-end digital cameras used to shoot motion pictures can do anything. They also cost a small fortune.

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May 4, 2016 09:45:21   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
JD750 wrote:
Well my kids, son and family, went to Hawaii for a week. Talked to my son the day before they left, he mentioned the things they were packing. I said "don't forget your camera". His reply "we have our iPhones for that". I said "but you have that Sony camera". He said "no it doesn't work anymore, besides we don't have room for it".

So there you have it, for many of the younger generation of today, the phone camera is the point and shoot family camera of choice. I can't critize that choice becaus quite honesty the phone cameras are easy to operate, they take video and stills, and offer a lot of creative options, filters etc, they do a great job when used within their limits, they can connect to social media sharing sites which is important to all young people, and many older ones too, and people always carry their phone with them so it's easily accessible.

It is No wonder point and shoot (P&S) sales are down. But for the big camera companies, P&S sales have been a cash cow. So how will those companies compensate for that loss?
Well my kids, son and family, went to Hawaii for a... (show quote)


I've taken a few pictures with my cell phone. I guess it's for the novelty of it. The iPhone I have, I purchased for only one reason. It runs two apps that I find indispensable, expodev and holder. If it weren't for those two apps, I'd still be using a flip phone.
--Bob

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May 4, 2016 10:27:03   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
Yup, you can skin a deer with a pocket knife, but a skinning knife works much better.
More "useful idiots" (all with phones) every day.

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May 4, 2016 10:29:19   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
JD750 wrote:
Well my kids, son and family, went to Hawaii for a week. Talked to my son the day before they left, he mentioned the things they were packing. I said "don't forget your camera". His reply "we have our iPhones for that". I said "but you have that Sony camera". He said "no it doesn't work anymore, besides we don't have room for it".

So there you have it, for many of the younger generation of today, the phone camera is the point and shoot family camera of choice. I can't critize that choice becaus quite honesty the phone cameras are easy to operate, they take video and stills, and offer a lot of creative options, filters etc, they do a great job when used within their limits, they can connect to social media sharing sites which is important to all young people, and many older ones too, and people always carry their phone with them so it's easily accessible.

It is No wonder point and shoot (P&S) sales are down. But for the big camera companies, P&S sales have been a cash cow. So how will those companies compensate for that loss?
Well my kids, son and family, went to Hawaii for a... (show quote)


If you want to print, display, sell or publish your images, it is not going to come from an iPhone. While iPhones have displaced the point and shoot but not SLR, DSLR or HDSLR's.

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May 4, 2016 10:52:18   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
JD750 wrote:
Well my kids, son and family, went to Hawaii for a week. Talked to my son the day before they left, he mentioned the things they were packing. I said "don't forget your camera". His reply "we have our iPhones for that". I said "but you have that Sony camera". He said "no it doesn't work anymore, besides we don't have room for it".

So there you have it, for many of the younger generation of today, the phone camera is the point and shoot family camera of choice. I can't critize that choice becaus quite honesty the phone cameras are easy to operate, they take video and stills, and offer a lot of creative options, filters etc, they do a great job when used within their limits, they can connect to social media sharing sites which is important to all young people, and many older ones too, and people always carry their phone with them so it's easily accessible.

It is No wonder point and shoot (P&S) sales are down. But for the big camera companies, P&S sales have been a cash cow. So how will those companies compensate for that loss?
Well my kids, son and family, went to Hawaii for a... (show quote)

Many people will opt for ease and convenience over quality and that is a bad thing. I gave my son my D90 if he would give his sister his D80. Asked my daughter about the D80 and she said it did not work right. After a lesson and some adjustments she came back with some fantastic photos. Her husband said the iphone takes better picture than the camera. My response you do not know what you are doing.
And he said you are probably right. She sent us an invitation to her daughters birthday party, included a photo taken on the trip and there is no way a phone could have done so well.

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May 5, 2016 21:27:39   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
jim32736 wrote:
At a quick glance, it appears they are standing on top of a dead dinosaur.


Indeed it does!

He did say it was low budget. Add the FX to bring it to life in post? &#128521;

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May 5, 2016 21:38:39   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
paulrph1 wrote:
Her husband said the iphone takes better picture than the camera. My response you do not know what you are doing. <snip>


You daughter got the bug. But what the husband said is true for many people, they do not have the skill to use a DSLR nor do they want to learn. For them the camera phone does indeed take better pics. It's incredibly easy to use and it does a decent job. That's what they want.

Before digital, there were SLRs for the serious photographers, and also point and shoots for family pics, and remember the recyclable cameras you could buy at the grocery store? Those were popular because they filled a need. A simple camera anybody could use. And technology has brought that same thing to the masses in digital, in the cell phone camera.

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May 5, 2016 22:02:34   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Bill_de wrote:
Many/most people who go to flower shows go to SEE the flowers, the photograph is secondary. You don't look at flowers from across the aisle, you get close enough to smell them, as well as look at them in detail ... in three dimensions.

--


There's a sort of sad irony regarding indoor flower shows. Kinda like driving to a health club to walk on a treadmill.

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May 5, 2016 22:13:04   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Mark7829 wrote:
If you want to print, display, sell or publish your images, it is not going to come from an iPhone. While iPhones have displaced the point and shoot but not SLR, DSLR or HDSLR's.


My counterpoint.

Of course you can print pictures from a phone camera. Some of the phone cameras have more resolution than some of the DSLRs. And I recently read an article on a popular photography web site, written by a photographer who is using his cell phone camera to make $. And publishing includes web publishing and there are certainly plenty of cell camera pics in that area.

FYI- I said cell phone cameras not iPhone. The iPhone is one of many cell phone cameras now. In fact my old school, backup cell phone, a flip top phone, has a camera.

The cell camera phone cameras have replaced the recyclable film cameras, and point and shoot film cameras, and point and shoot digital cameras.

I never said phone cameras had replaced DSLRs. But the DSLR market has not traditionally been a big cash cow for the manufacturers. That is a big loss of revenue for the entire industry. Nikon thinks this will lead more people to higher end cameras. Definitely true for some, but will that crowd replace the lost revenue from the masses who bought point and shoots? And cell phone cameras have been getting better and better. It's a dynamic market.

What is an HDSLR?

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May 5, 2016 22:13:29   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
quixdraw wrote:
Yup, you can skin a deer with a pocket knife, but a skinning knife works much better.
More "useful idiots" (all with phones) every day.


Hear hear!

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May 5, 2016 22:15:37   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Jcmarino wrote:
There is a difference between taking "pictures" and being a photographer. Most people on vacation just want pictures and the new phones are great for that.


Yes- I was guilty of that till I actually had a quality camera and lens kit to take photographs with rather than vacation snap shots.

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May 5, 2016 22:22:41   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
rmalarz wrote:
I've taken a few pictures with my cell phone. I guess it's for the novelty of it. The iPhone I have, I purchased for only one reason. It runs two apps that I find indispensable, expodev and holder. If it weren't for those two apps, I'd still be using a flip phone.
--Bob


So you have tested the function! Lol.

I use my cell phone camera very frequently. At work I take many shots from white boards to test setups, copies of my notes, and the ubiquitous scope trace shots for use in my reports. When working on something, like a home repair project, I photograph the steps. On travel I photograph street signs and my hotel, and in airport parking lots I photograph the parking location sign.

None of those destined to be art photos. But I find the phone camera very useful.

Having said that, my go to serious camera is my D750, and N80, and my go to travel camera is my M43 kit. Note I said kit. Not camera. ;)

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May 5, 2016 22:25:32   #
jcboy3
 
Smartphone cameras are quite good, and can produce quite good results. Not to mention the many post processing apps that can apply various effects (canvas, watercolor, etc). All very cheap and easy to use.

And the HDR apps allow you to take pictures in very difficult lighting conditions that were impossible with film.

And the phones are convenient and nearly always with you.

Below is an HDR shot with my iPhone. This would not be possible with P&S cameras from only a few years ago.

Marble Canyon Metal Works, HDR iPhone 6Plus
Marble Canyon Metal Works, HDR iPhone 6Plus...
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May 5, 2016 22:41:10   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Smartphone cameras are quite good, and can produce quite good results. Not to mention the many post processing apps that can apply various effects (canvas, watercolor, etc). All very cheap and easy to use.

And the HDR apps allow you to take pictures in very difficult lighting conditions that were impossible with film.

And the phones are convenient and nearly always with you.

Below is an HDR shot with my iPhone. This would not be possible with P&S cameras from only a few years ago.
Smartphone cameras are quite good, and can produce... (show quote)


Nice shot and nice workshop

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