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May 4, 2012 17:26:30   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
Bmac wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Bmac wrote:
Democrat John "Dirtbag" Edwards with Anthony "Hotdog" Weiner as vice president, and yes, I merrily showed neither one any "respect." 8-)


They are just men making bad choices, the Democrats can point to the same kind of behavior in the Republican ranks and you know it. This is the same kind of crap that the non-believers do whenever a high profile Christians makes a poor choice, the entire Christian community is bad because of the behavior of an "individual', come on let's get real.
quote=Bmac Democrat John "Dirtbag" Edwa... (show quote)


Perhaps, but it seems to me recent history has had a preponderance of "bad choices" being made by those in the democratic party. Yes, there are bad apples on both sides just perhaps not equally. Would you have been happier if my choice was republican Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon?

My remark was intended to be partly humorous. On the serious side those who represent us should be honest and not lie to their constituents, regardless of which party or ideology they profess. Lying, stealing, tax evading, such things should immediately bring about the downfall of elected representatives, unfortunately in many cases it dosen't.

I fail to grasp your analogy of high profile Christians, or high profile anyone. These people are elected representives who are sworn to adhere to certain ethical and legal behavior. 8-)
quote=Pepper quote=Bmac Democrat John "Dirt... (show quote)


My point was that people make bad choices not political parties or organizations.

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May 4, 2012 17:31:09   #
notnoBuddha
 
Bmac wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Bmac wrote:
Democrat John "Dirtbag" Edwards with Anthony "Hotdog" Weiner as vice president, and yes, I merrily showed neither one any "respect." 8-)


They are just men making bad choices, the Democrats can point to the same kind of behavior in the Republican ranks and you know it. This is the same kind of crap that the non-believers do whenever a high profile Christians makes a poor choice, the entire Christian community is bad because of the behavior of an "individual', come on let's get real.
quote=Bmac Democrat John "Dirtbag" Edwa... (show quote)


Perhaps, but it seems to me recent history has had a preponderance of "bad choices" being made by those in the democratic party. Yes, there are bad apples on both sides just perhaps not equally. Would you have been happier if my choice was republican Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon?

My remark was intended to be partly humorous. On the serious side those who represent us should be honest and not lie to their constituents, regardless of which party or ideology they profess. Lying, stealing, tax evading, such things should immediately bring about the downfall of elected representatives, unfortunately in many cases it dosen't.

I fail to grasp your analogy of high profile Christians, or high profile anyone. These people are elected representives who are sworn to adhere to certain ethical and legal behavior. 8-)
quote=Pepper quote=Bmac Democrat John "Dirt... (show quote)


I believe the analogy being drawn was that often people are sterotyped based on the few and not the many - regardless if one is talking politics, religion or enthnicities. We can all find examples that support our own biases and often disregard any information that may dispute it as being insignificant. Regardless if one is in a elected office or not the same human behavoirs are more the norm than not.

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May 4, 2012 17:34:16   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Pepper wrote:
My point was that people make bad choices not political parties or organizations.


I agree, in part, but I would categorize their actions in much stronger terms than "bad choices." Political parties, organizations, governments etc. can and do make bad choices based on collective platforms and/or actions. 8-)

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May 4, 2012 17:41:30   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
notnoBuddha wrote:
I believe the analogy being drawn was that often people are sterotyped based on the few and not the many - regardless if one is talking politics, religion or enthnicities. We can all find examples that support our own biases and often disregard any information that may dispute it as being insignificant. Regardless if one is in a elected office or not the same human behavoirs are more the norm than not.


Yes, that is true if the stereotype does not deserve consideration, based on the numbers involved. It seems that not just a few are involved in "bad choices."

Interestingly, my original post on this thread simply answered, tongue in cheek, the question posted. At no time did I try and impugn one party over another. My point was here are two "dirt bags" that do not have my respect. 8-)

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May 4, 2012 18:25:14   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
notnoBuddha wrote:
Ratherrestitiveinyourinstructionsareyounot?



Hey Doc ..... speak English ..... you know of course that this means war

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May 4, 2012 20:22:47   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Pepper wrote:
Hey MWAC! How ya been? I do respectfully disagree with one of your points. If you look around the world it's very difficult to find a leader who is not being disrespected by his/her countrymen. A few years ago the Canadian Prime Minister was really catching He** but I don't recall why. Look at Europe most are under the gun for one reason or another.....Just sayin.



Does that make it the correct thing to do?

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May 4, 2012 20:25:42   #
picturedude Loc: Yosemite natl. park, Ca.
 
notnoBuddha wrote:
Ratherrestitiveinyourinstructionsareyounot?


Ohsurethat'seasyforyoutosay.

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May 4, 2012 20:29:19   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Bmac wrote:
Democrat John "Dirtbag" Edwards with Anthony "Hotdog" Weiner as vice president, and yes, I merrily showed neither one any "respect." 8-)




Bmac,
I missed your point ref Weiner and Edwards, what do they have to do with the current political situation? Not being argumentive but am just courious.

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May 4, 2012 20:35:01   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)


I have to think it's done either because they are filled with hatred or because they don't fully understand the evil of Hitler.

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May 4, 2012 20:38:04   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
traveler90712 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)



Young lady, you have much to learn about history, and the American political scene. You might also look around you and discover just what foreign leadership really thinks of this American president.

How many U.S. Presidents have you ever heard tell the whole world that America is not a Christian Nation? How many U.S. Presidents have apologized to the world for the supposed arrogance of the American people? And how many U.S. Presidents have bowed down to a foreign leader and kissed his hand?

You need to study American history a lot more before you question your elders.
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quot... (show quote)


And there is more.
Honoring the flag, is the most flagrant.
The White House also admitted (sorry can't find the reference) that his birth certificate is phony.
Sorry for the "non" one word response.
quote=jolly1 quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolp... (show quote)


I'll bet the reason you can't find the reference is because it doesn't exist.

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May 4, 2012 20:38:48   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
jolly1 wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)



Young lady, you have much to learn about history, and the American political scene. You might also look around you and discover just what foreign leadership really thinks of this American president.

How many U.S. Presidents have you ever heard tell the whole world that America is not a Christian Nation? How many U.S. Presidents have apologized to the world for the supposed arrogance of the American people? And how many U.S. Presidents have bowed down to a foreign leader and kissed his hand?

You need to study American history a lot more before you question your elders.
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quot... (show quote)


Oh brother.

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May 4, 2012 20:42:22   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)



Young lady, you have much to learn about history, and the American political scene. You might also look around you and discover just what foreign leadership really thinks of this American president.

How many U.S. Presidents have you ever heard tell the whole world that America is not a Christian Nation? How many U.S. Presidents have apologized to the world for the supposed arrogance of the American people? And how many U.S. Presidents have bowed down to a foreign leader and kissed his hand?

You need to study American history a lot more before you question your elders.
quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quot... (show quote)


first do not refer to me as "young lady" it is disrepectful and I will not have it. I have not refered to you in any way that could even come off as showing any disrepect. To gain respect one must show respect. Just because you are older than me, does not automactially mean you gain my respect. My parents raised me to aks quesitons, not to follow blindly. Asking questions is what makes a person wiser and able to form their own opinions.

I really hate to break this to you but I wrote my thesis on the movement of civil rights in the United States as compaired to the movement in Canada, and how that differences affected the out come on each side of the boarder. That coupled with my education which taught about world issues, not just my nations history, I would wager my American History knowlege might be broader than you think.

America is NOT a christian nation, just like Canada is NOT a christian nation, they are nations that were founded to by people seeking refuge and separation of Church and State. As such both nations have and will conitue to welcome immigrates from all over the world, regardless of their nationality, religion and race.

FYI: Ronald Regan on behalf of the U.S. government apologized for the internment of the Japanese to the world.

President Bush also apologized to the Afghans when a Koran was mishandled by a soldier in 2008 (apparently the americain soldier shot the Koran).

There are actaully many well documented cases where a US Presient apologized to another nation for the behaviour of it's citizens, I would gladdly located a few more if you so require.

I'd taking a kiss to the hand over this - GWB giving a Saudi King a hug and kiss.

http://freakoutnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/bush-and-saudi-king.jpg?5ee190
quote=jolly1 quote=MWAC quote=jolly1 Herr Adolp... (show quote)


:thumbup: Bush was also photographed walking around holding that guys hand.

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May 4, 2012 20:49:13   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
frenchcoast wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Hey MWAC! How ya been? I do respectfully disagree with one of your points. If you look around the world it's very difficult to find a leader who is not being disrespected by his/her countrymen. A few years ago the Canadian Prime Minister was really catching He** but I don't recall why. Look at Europe most are under the gun for one reason or another.....Just sayin.



Does that make it the correct thing to do?


:thumbup: Good question

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May 4, 2012 20:56:42   #
butch47 Loc: Garland, TX
 
MWAC wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
Herr Adolph Obama.


wow.. I can't believe how people disrespect the President of the United States, it's hard for a citizen of another county to respect the citizens of the United States when they blatantly refer to their leader as Adolph Obama, a direct play on words refering to Adolph Hitler.

How can you seriously put your leader in the same catergory as a man you killed millions of people because they didnt' agree with his belief system? REALLY??? How disrespectful not only to the President of the United States (which I thought you were taught to show respect too??), but it's also very disrespectful to every citizen of the US and every survivor of the Holocaust.

Sometimes I am just simply amazed how some people will just throw around names, without thinking what they truly mean. I'm also just as amazed to see how people show such lack of respect to an office I was told should be held in the highest regards. I know I wouldn't want that job and I respect any person that would think of holding that position, I don't have to agree with their politics but I will respect them for their desire to run and hold that position.

Here's a little world secret... if you want other world leaders and it's citizens to show respect to your President, as a country you must first show him some respect. When as a nation you belittle that indivual, you risk dimensioning the respect of your leader by the rest of the world.
quote=jolly1 Herr Adolph Obama. /quote br br wo... (show quote)


Sorry to say it but we have many "Christian" racists who watch and believe what Fox News feeds them even though Fox has been shown to the most inaccurate news in the country. Living in Texas I'm sure you run into this as much as I do.

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May 4, 2012 21:07:47   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
frenchcoast wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Hey MWAC! How ya been? I do respectfully disagree with one of your points. If you look around the world it's very difficult to find a leader who is not being disrespected by his/her countrymen. A few years ago the Canadian Prime Minister was really catching He** but I don't recall why. Look at Europe most are under the gun for one reason or another.....Just sayin.



Does that make it the correct thing to do?

Of course it's NOT the right thing to do, I was only pointing out that the behavior is not limited to America.

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