Trevon Johnson Burglarized A Home A Few Blocks From Where He Lived,--- Gets Blown Away (Page 2): In what way do you justify calling me racist? The Florida Stand Your Ground Law...

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Checkmate wrote:

Were your parents as big a racist as your are? Sounds like you and Obama have race problems. His parents aught to be sued for raising this ghetto trash.

In what way do you justify calling me racist?

The Florida Stand Your Ground Law doesn't mention killing to protect property, just forcible entry, which doesn't apply in this instance.

My post raises logical questions you may disagree with,but that doesn't make me racist.

Please justify your claim.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

FrumCA wrote:

Your statements have no basis in fact...
How do you know the woman is white?
How do you know the local politics and prosecutor are white?
What do you know about the confrontation? Did Johnson advance on her thus causing her to stand her ground?

Have read several pages of info on this case, and a great many of the 'facts' are missing.

The Shooter may have been black; there is no mention of race in the several articles I read.

There are several pathetic statements from family members which are good news copy, but are not involved in the legal issues.

It is unclear whether Trayvon was leaving by a window or door. It seems the woman (victim) confronted him as he left or while he was leaving.

I found a piece on the Sigforum by a qualified poster, and copy it here; please note the poster's qualifications to speak to this issue, and notice he leaves certain issues to the 'legal eagles."

Here it is:

"Florida statutes chapter 776 allows use of deadly force to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony. There is a list of forcible felonies in Florida statute 776.08. Burglary is listed as a forcible felony along with many others, but I think it is perilous. If he was in fact leaving and fleeing the scene but still on the property when shot,is the forcible felony over? If he was still partially in the house when shot it could be argued that the forcible felony was ongoing. A point of discussion for the lawyers.

Another path for justification is the language in the law that gives the presumption of fear of death or grievous bodily harm when someone breaks into your dwelling, and the presumption of fear that a person who breaks into your dwelling intends to do violence. However since no one was home when the break in occurred, can you use this presumption as justification? A point of discussion for the legal eagles.

The clearest path of justification would be self defense. Did the homeowner believe she was in peril of death or grievous bodily harm? The facts I have seen in the reports don't seem to give any indication of a self defense claim but again we don't have all the facts.

If I were investigating the case I would not make an arrest or bring a charge against the homeowner with the facts I know but I presume the SAO takes it to a Grand Jury. This will be a good teaching case when it is over because it is really close to the line between being justified and not being justified under Florida's laws. I would not arrive at any conclusion based on the news reports because the media will FUBAR the facts.

CMSGT USAF (Retired)
Chief of Police (Retired)
Florida Class K Licensed Instructor
NRA Certified Firearms Instructor/RSO
NRA Certified LE Handgun/Shotgun/Rifle Instructor
SIG and Glock Armorer"

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Checkmate wrote:

Retwardlo is always showing his racist hand and now look at why Trump is leading. We are fed up with trailer trash, ghetto trash and left wing coddlers of these crooks that it is about time to take down left wingers.

Alright Check............
It is a helluva an assumption to think the shooter was white

I still like Trump :thumbup:

FrumCA

Twardlow wrote:

Have read several pages of info on this case, and ... (show quote)

Thanks. Until I know more about the circumstances regarding the confrontation I have no problem with the FL statues re: use of deadly force. I'm disputing your unsupported assertion that the shooter is white and that a white political system and prosecutor will let her off. Facts not in evidence.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

FrumCA wrote:

Thanks. Until I know more about the circumstances regarding the confrontation I have no problem with the FL statues re: use of deadly force. I'm disputing your unsupported assertion that the shooter is white and that a white political system and prosecutor will let her off. Facts not in evidence.

I may have been wrong on that white part. I must have read 10 articles on the shooting, no one mentioned her race, but I'm guessing I was wrong.

My point in the latest post is that she May have serious legal issues.

Even in Florida, this is no open and closed case.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Twardlow wrote:

In what way do you justify calling me racist?

The Florida Stand Your Ground Law doesn't mention killing to protect property, just forcible entry, which doesn't apply in this instance.

My post raises logical questions you may disagree with,but that doesn't make me racist.

Please justify your claim.

Haven't heard anything from you on your empty assertion that I'm a racist.

I know you're running from having to answer.

Let me hear your case.

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

soba1 wrote:

Alright Check............
It is a helluva an assumption to think the shooter was white

I still like Trump :thumbup:

Soba;

The shooter was a black lady.......I know that for a fact.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Gitzo wrote:

Soba;

The shooter was a black lady.......I know that for a fact.

She probably jumped in his shit........
But still could a loss of life been avoided.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

For the record the Fla. stand your ground law seems to work equally.
I recall someone posting a story here concerning a black man who was attacked by some white men in a restaurant and he shot them in self defense with no charges filed. It's their law.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

soba1 wrote:

For the record the Fla. stand your ground law seems to work equally.
I recall someone posting a story here concerning a black man who was attacked by some white men in a restaurant and he shot them in self defense with no charges filed. It's their law.

I posted a piece yesterday in which an expert dithered whether Stand Your Ground applies in this case. He thought the case would end up in law school as a teaching bit, as there are so many legal questions raised.

It is not an open and shut case.

Here is the Quote:

"Florida statutes chapter 776 allows use of deadly force to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony. There is a list of forcible felonies in Florida statute 776.08. Burglary is listed as a forcible felony along with many others, but I think it is perilous. If he was in fact leaving and fleeing the scene but still on the property when shot,is the forcible felony over? If he was still partially in the house when shot it could be argued that the forcible felony was ongoing. A point of discussion for the lawyers.

Another path for justification is the language in the law that gives the presumption of fear of death or grievous bodily harm when someone breaks into your dwelling, and the presumption of fear that a person who breaks into your dwelling intends to do violence. However since no one was home when the break in occurred, can you use this presumption as justification? A point of discussion for the legal eagles.

The clearest path of justification would be self defense. Did the homeowner believe she was in peril of death or grievous bodily harm? The facts I have seen in the reports don't seem to give any indication of a self defense claim but again we don't have all the facts.

If I were investigating the case I would not make an arrest or bring a charge against the homeowner with the facts I know but I presume the SAO takes it to a Grand Jury. This will be a good teaching case when it is over because it is really close to the line between being justified and not being justified under Florida's laws. I would not arrive at any conclusion based on the news reports because the media will FUBAR the facts.

CMSGT USAF (Retired)
Chief of Police (Retired)
Florida Class K Licensed Instructor
NRA Certified Firearms Instructor/RSO
NRA Certified LE Handgun/Shotgun/Rifle Instructor
SIG and Glock Armorer"

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Twardlow wrote:

I posted a piece yesterday in which an expert dithered whether Stand Your Ground applies in this case. He thought the case would end up in law school as a teaching bit, as there are so many legal questions raised.

It is not an open and shut case.

Here is the Quote:

"Florida statutes chapter 776 allows use of deadly force to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony. There is a list of forcible felonies in Florida statute 776.08. Burglary is listed as a forcible felony along with many others, but I think it is perilous. If he was in fact leaving and fleeing the scene but still on the property when shot,is the forcible felony over? If he was still partially in the house when shot it could be argued that the forcible felony was ongoing. A point of discussion for the lawyers.

Another path for justification is the language in the law that gives the presumption of fear of death or grievous bodily harm when someone breaks into your dwelling, and the presumption of fear that a person who breaks into your dwelling intends to do violence. However since no one was home when the break in occurred, can you use this presumption as justification? A point of discussion for the legal eagles.

The clearest path of justification would be self defense. Did the homeowner believe she was in peril of death or grievous bodily harm? The facts I have seen in the reports don't seem to give any indication of a self defense claim but again we don't have all the facts.

If I were investigating the case I would not make an arrest or bring a charge against the homeowner with the facts I know but I presume the SAO takes it to a Grand Jury. This will be a good teaching case when it is over because it is really close to the line between being justified and not being justified under Florida's laws. I would not arrive at any conclusion based on the news reports because the media will FUBAR the facts.

CMSGT USAF (Retired)
Chief of Police (Retired)
Florida Class K Licensed Instructor
NRA Certified Firearms Instructor/RSO
NRA Certified LE Handgun/Shotgun/Rifle Instructor
SIG and Glock Armorer"

I posted a piece yesterday in which an expert dith... (show quote)

I would agree, and his credentials speaks for itself.
But you were wrong in automatically assuming the shooter was white.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

soba1 wrote:

I would agree, and his credentials speaks for itself.
But you were wrong in automatically assuming the shooter was white.

I was indeed....

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Twardlow wrote:

I was indeed....

:thumbup:

Checkmate Loc: Southern California

Twardlow wrote:

In what way do you justify calling me racist?

The Florida Stand Your Ground Law doesn't mention killing to protect property, just forcible entry, which doesn't apply in this instance.

My post raises logical questions you may disagree with,but that doesn't make me racist.

Please justify your claim.

You seem to be the first to jump on the side of these black trash criminals right off the bat with very limited info of what happened. You just ooze racism.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Checkmate wrote:

You seem to be the first to jump on the side of these black trash criminals right off the bat with very limited info of what happened. You just ooze racism.

I don't think you know what racism is. It is claiming one race is better than another, or one race is worse than another.

I don't see how you can accuse me of either.

There is a great deal of bigotry among whites, to the denigration of the black race, and I don't shrink for pointing it out.

That doesn't make me racist.

Think about it.