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Feb 19, 2016 07:24:07   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
Bret wrote:
" Do the digitals 'auto-work' like my old Oly OM 2Ti, film-camera (which measured exposure 'Off-The-Film' [thereby assuring a perfect exposure])"
Have a look at ittl....or ttl flash operations.
This photo was shot using a camera mounted flash pointed straight up at the ceiling. This flash (SB910) also has a built in "bounce card"...which was also used along with ambient light.

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Hehehe... I MOST-Assuredly agree with the YOUNG-Genius!!!
...and Thanks also for the Equipment List. --- MANY-YEARS ago I used a D70 film camera.

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Feb 19, 2016 07:35:47   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
rpavich wrote:
You are welcome.

I actually don't know. I would do it in Lightroom if I were doing it (or some other piece of software like Nik Color Efex)

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I'm NOT smart enough to use PP.
...I'm the guy who prefers to 'CAPTURE' a 'Realistic-Image' using HDR; ...as opposed to 'CREATING' a 'Perfected-Image' through PP. -- Actually, R.P. ...I'm the personification of the OLD-Adage of trying to teach an Ole-Dog, a new trick. -- Pushin' 80 soon!!!

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Feb 19, 2016 07:36:23   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
rpavich wrote:



This is a selfie of me one morning over my coffee.

I had a large softbox just barely out of camera field of view so in relation to my head size...it was 2x or 3x bigger.

Notice how the shadow transitions are smooth (forget the roughness of the subject)


Terrific portrait. Makes an instructive contrast to the picture of the woman with the insect-like hat, the suggestively shaped vase on the table, and the looming fake waiter in the background.

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Feb 19, 2016 08:02:26   #
Gpa-15 Loc: Tinton Falls, NJ
 
berchman wrote:
Terrific portrait. Makes an instructive contrast to the picture of the woman with the insect-like hat, the suggestively shaped vase on the table, and the looming fake waiter in the background.

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Thanks for this Post Mr. B

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Feb 19, 2016 08:19:08   #
Jim Bob
 
Peterff wrote:
Not sure if this helps or not. The pic below is SOOC with a Canon T3i and a 580 EXII flash with a Sto-Fen diffuser and set to bounce angle from a high ceiling.

Offered as an example for comment...


Not.

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Feb 19, 2016 10:24:59   #
mrtobin Loc: North East Ohio
 
Gpa-15 wrote:
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WOW!!! - THANKS R.P. - THAT was a Wonderfully-elucidating treatise.
--- a Further question please; if your camera has a threaded-lens, is there a 'Len's-Baby' TYPE 'thingy' that will effect the same result as the '30-denier' nylon in front of the Lens (to produce a 'Doris Day' softness?


That is the one good thing a UV. filter is good for.
You can super glue a scrap of nylon to the edge of the filter. Or just smear some petroleum jelly on the filter, leave the center spot open. The UV. filter can be cleaned with soap and water.

Back in the film days they had all sorts of soft focus filters, a person could go broke trying to find that "Special" one. Now with digital it is easer to do it in post.

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Feb 19, 2016 10:35:37   #
Paul Buckhiester Loc: Columbus, GA USA
 
Rick36203 wrote:
Covering a flash with cloth reduces output, but it does not make it 'softer'. It may appear less harsh because the ambient/flash balance is better, but the same can usually be accomplished with flash compensation.

Light appears softer as the size of the source increases. Make the light source larger to make it softer.

Bounce the light if possible (off a wall, the ceiling, a reflector). Diffusing the light is OK, but it works best off-camera where you can get the diffusion material close to your model... making it the large, soft, light source.
Covering a flash with cloth reduces output, but it... (show quote)


Yes

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Feb 19, 2016 11:03:51   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Perfectly well exposed portraits of female faces are possible with flash IF you know how to use flash for your subjects.
You should take a look at www.planetneil.com. Neil van Nierker is a great wedding photographer based in New Jersey who has written lots of articles on flash and how to use it to soften the light for female portraits.

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Feb 19, 2016 12:10:12   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
camerapapi wrote:
Perfectly well exposed portraits of female faces are possible with flash IF you know how to use flash for your subjects.
You should take a look at www.planetneil.com. Neil van Nierker is a great wedding photographer based in New Jersey who has written lots of articles on flash and how to use it to soften the light for female portraits.



Neil's is one of my favorite sites: http://neilvn.com/tangents/ :thumbup:

Flash photography techniques section here: http://neilvn.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/

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Feb 19, 2016 13:24:35   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
Pablo8 wrote:
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Yes, the white tissue/ handkerchief over the flash will help. And the 'Tongue - in -cheek' idea from yesteryear, stretch a single layer of 30 denier stocking over the camera lens.


Forget the "tongue in cheek". Use the stocking, but make sure it is a black one. It still works well.

I am also partial to the Gary Fong Lightsphere. I have tried 6-8 light modifiers (bounce reflectors, soft-boxes, etc.) None has worked as well as the Lightsphere. (And no, he doesn't pay me. :D )

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Feb 19, 2016 13:36:44   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rpavich wrote:
Stop.

Using anything attached to the flash (like tupperware or those little reflector things) won't cut it.

You have to INCREASE THE RELATIVE SIZE of your flash output...the size of the flash to make it soft.

That means that even the sun (which of course is huge) is for our purposes a TINY light source because of it's distance.

Remember the old thing about "crushing someone's head" by holding your fingers up while they were far away? It appeared that you were holding their head between your fingers. Their APPARENT size was small relative to your fingers.

The same thing applies to flash. If you want nice flattering soft flash, you need to get the flash LARGE and close to your subject.

Softbox or umbrella, or bounce the flash into a large surface like a big reflector or light colored wall.

Also, getting your flash off camera changes the direction of the light relative to the camera. Light coming from the sides looks a LOT better than light coming from our own vantage point. (which is on-camera flash)

So to summarize.

1.) Get that flash off camera.

2.) Get a modifier to put the flash in to make it's size bigger relative to your subject (a head and shoulders of a human)

3.) Get the flash off to the side a bit.


Just those things will have a very large effect on your results.

Forget gary fong. He's a tupperware salesman.


This is a selfie of me one morning over my coffee.

I had a large softbox just barely out of camera field of view so in relation to my head size...it was 2x or 3x bigger.

Notice how the shadow transitions are smooth (forget the roughness of the subject)
Stop. br br Using anything attached to the flash ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Late to the party here, but everything you said is 110% correct. I would add that bouncing off of a large piece of white foamcore aimed at the subject, or shooting through one of those 5-in-one reflectors that have a translucent material as long as the flash is far enough away from the reflector to cover the area will also work nicely. In a pinch I have also fired the flash up into a 20# white paper bag, but it was only about 5 ft from the head and shoulders of a model I was shooting.

This is one of those situations were size really matters.

Gary fong containers - they suck up light output, and don't make the light any softer - there are far better options out there.

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Feb 19, 2016 14:49:42   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
IMO, bouncing flash light is a horribly inaccurate waste of the flash's power making for longer flash recycling, as well as producing too-flat lighting that susceptible to ugly tints caused by the color of the bounce surface (as can be seen in some of the sample images in earlier responses). And it's not possible with most Smartphone cameras that I've seen!

I have no idea how Smartphones handle flash. But a cloth over the flash might be work and may be the only possible option.

A white cloth or other form of diffusion does, in fact, soften and improve direct flash lighting, without the unnecessary problems of bouncing (and a cloth might be your only option with a Smartphone). If you look at the flash of most experienced event, wedding and portrait photographers you'll find they are pointing the flash(es) directly at the subject and usually modifying it with a diffuser of some sort.

I shoot with Canon and often use two or more layers of white gauze bandage over the flash head....


...both to diffuse it and to reduce the output of the flash when using it up close for macro shots like this...


I can vary the strength of it's effect with more or less layers of the white gauze bandage.

Here I used the flash directly for fill (reduced power, about -1.66 stops), without any diffusion...


Indoors where I am using the flash more fully, I'd be more inclined to diffuse it. I'd still usually not bounce it unless really, really desperate... such as I forgot to bring my mini-softbox! Note: bigger is better, when it comes to softboxes... But something is a lot better than nothing and when walking around shooting handheld candids... and a mini-softbox is a lot more practical than dragging around a 45" softbox!

To improve your portraits with a DSLR, I first recommend getting the flash out of the hot shoe. Get a flash bracket to mount the flash on... and in most cases an off-camera shoe cord to connect it to the camera (some now can be used wirelessly). This will move your flash up away from the lens axis and off to one side, which both reduces risk of redeye and makes for better shadow effects.

Many modern flashes also have a small, built-in diffusion panel that's primarily intended to use with extra wide lenses... that also can serve at times, when just a little bit of diffusion is needed.

I shoot with Canon gear and the way their ETTL (and ETTL II) works is that the camera actually fires the flash twice for each exposure.... the first "pop" is a pre-flash at reduced power (1/64, I think) that the camera uses to calculate a correct exposure, then uses to set the flash output, after which it finally fires the flash at the setting it determined. All this happens so fast it seems like a single "pop" of the flash. The latest ETTL II also can use distance information from the lens, determined by where it's been focused.

This is TTL metering, much as those old Oly film cameras did. But it's now much more accurate and flexible. Measuring flash off the film didn't take into account subject tonality, which I can adjust for using Flash Exposure Compensation with the modern metering method. Also, with current cameras and their dedicated flashes it's possible to use the various meter patterns: evaluative (aka, matrix), center weighted, partial and spot metering. I don't think this was possible with the old school cameras and flashes.

I don't know if all the camera manufacturers meter and control flash exactly the same way... but I bet it's something similar.

Regarding your second question, I have several "portrait" filters that do what you want to more or less. Some are homemade. For example, I made a couple with small pieces of black mesh "netting" (finer and coarser) that's stretched and trapped between two empty filter frames. Others I bought, such as black, white , clear and flesh-tone "splatter", as well as some with etched grids or circular patterns.

These have different effects. Black mesh and "splatter" reduce fine detail (such as wrinkles in skin and fine hairs) but otherwise are "invisible" without effecting sharpness, more major details or inducing any flare or color tints. White and clear do similar, but tend to cause flare effects too. Flesh-tone will cause color tints and flare. Etched patterns typically just cause overall softening and flare. Those with an etched grid also can create "star" effects, while those with a circular pattern have sort of a "fog vignette" effect. "Splatter" is literally that... the filter looks like someone randomly sprayed some thick paint droplets onto it. Some of these can be accomplished pretty well in post processing software, but it's often not quite the same as a filter.

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Feb 19, 2016 15:36:54   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Depending on the camera-- you can use wet toilet paper pasted on the flash to soften the light.
Nice woman!

Bret wrote:
" Do the digitals 'auto-work' like my old Oly OM 2Ti, film-camera (which measured exposure 'Off-The-Film' [thereby assuring a perfect exposure])"
Have a look at ittl....or ttl flash operations.
This photo was shot using a camera mounted flash pointed straight up at the ceiling. This flash (SB910) also has a built in "bounce card"...which was also used along with ambient light.

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Feb 19, 2016 17:31:19   #
jcboy3
 
Gpa-15 wrote:
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WOW!!! - THANKS R.P. - THAT was a Wonderfully-elucidating treatise.
--- a Further question please; if your camera has a threaded-lens, is there a 'Len's-Baby' TYPE 'thingy' that will effect the same result as the '30-denier' nylon in front of the Lens (to produce a 'Doris Day' softness?


A diffusion filter will soften the shot. Smear a little vaseline around the outside of a UV filter. I've got an old Nikon filter with a cross-hatch of threads sandwiched between two elements.

Don't use any of that now, just blur the image in post processing.

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Feb 19, 2016 18:33:52   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
Peterff wrote:
Not sure if this helps or not. The pic below is SOOC with a Canon T3i and a 580 EXII flash with a Sto-Fen diffuser and set to bounce angle from a high ceiling.

Offered as an example for comment...


Dumb hat.

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