GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan

I'm on Windows 10, (Mickysoft Edge), every day and still find the common power button not showing up every-so-often.

Basically everything is nice but I hate not being able to shutdown fast.

Having submitted to them about this problem didn't help.

HEY PROGRAMMERS, FIX THE BLASTED THING!

EdM Loc: FN30JS

looking back with some hindsite...except for photo handling, there really wasn't much reason to leave cp/m.... and except for digital, the T70 was great, but absent a hugh step up, I stay where I am at...wherever that is....newer isn't always gooder....

JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore

I disagree, bad experience is always welcome for someone looking to get information about anything, but will agree with you that some problems may be self inflicted.

I generally agree with technical advise that comes from professionals whom I know and trust and have far more knowledge and experience with a given subject than I, but why should I take your advice on Win 10 when others here on the UHH still are running into situations? I'm not in a position to judge your or their qualifications so I'll just avoid Win 10 until it seems to be better for PP.

Typical of Microsoft, they will eventually issue a W10.1 (maybe a .2 also) or a First and Second revision that for prior platforms were called First or Second Edition. Why should I install W10, try it for a month, and have to go through all the hassle if I have a problem, just to go back to where I am now?

No matter what you say about Win 10, and my son who is an IT manager also says W10 is great, I still see problems and dissatisfaction posted here. If there are still problems with it why should I change now, and become one of Microsoft's unwilling test subjects and suffer the aggravation if a problem develops--mine or theirs? My Win7 Pro does everything I need with no problems, and they are still supporting it for several more years?

They had a W10 beta version out for six or more months; my son was part of that test group and initially wasn't too happy with it, but now likes it; but apparently the Beta Group experts didn't catch all the problems either :thumbdown:

bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.

i UPGRADED FROM 7 TO win 10, graphic pgms ran faster, file handling and moving files was tougher. THEN win 10 did an update, erased all my password files, took everything I had on the desktop and god knows where it went. So I spent an hour getting it back where I wanted everything . went to many web sites and reentered passwords etc.
Next day when I turned it on, everything was gone again. So I just set up a few things, turned it off and back on and everything was gone again. Checked with the gurus , they had no answer, so I reverted to 7 and here I will stay

JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore

Thank you for the affirmation :thumbup: :D Your story is very similar to mine except that I went from Win 8.0 (which I didn't like) to 8.1 which was supposed to be better. The first time I tried to start 8.1 it wouldn't recognize my username and/or password--neither one of which had changed , and it was all down hill from there. :thumbdown:

brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky

Right-click the Start button and choose Shut Down from the resulting menu.

royden Loc: Decatur, GA

Using 10 for a month and a half. No issues....was using 7. I just turned the 4 in Privacy to off. Lets see what happens. I'm D/Ling 10 on another laptop as we speak. I was using 7 there also.
BTW...How do you get back to 7 if you want? Danka.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

OK, I am going to push back on you, and quite strongly. It is indeed up to each individual to make a personal choice, and I have no problem with that, but to extend that to general advice is a bad thing. Especially when the information that you are disseminating is factually incorrect.

A large amount of the issues that people are having with Windows 10 on this site are predicated by their lack of knowledge or lack of adequate preparation for the upgrade. That is not the fault of Windows 10. Most people on this site wouldn't consider trying to repair their cameras or try to service a modern vehicle. Why do they think that they are competent to service a computer, and then blame the software when they get out of their depth?

Clearly, all software will have issues. Generally they get fixed after a period of time, and hopefully a short one as with Adobe CC and Lightroom recently.

However, Microsoft has changed its policies and methods of operation, for better or for worse, away from service packs or 'dot' releases to one of continuous development and upgrades being made available when ready.

Like you, I used to avoid the early versions and wait for service packs. I still have a bunch of Windows 'shelf-ware' such as Vista or Windows 8. My Microsoft history started with DOS, Windows 3.1 and onwards, skipping several versions to XP, Windows 7 Professional 64 and now Windows 10 that I tested extensively on a dual boot system prior to committing to the upgrade. I have 10 plus year old peripherals that weren't supported on Windows 7 working perfectly. I have a ten year old laptop that wasn't supported with Windows 7 working on Windows 10 much better than it ever did on Windows 7. Did I have to jump through a couple of hoops for some of the more esoteric stuff? Sure, but no more than I had to with Windows 7, and the same tricks worked with Windows 10, just more easily!

By all means make your own choices, but please stop giving bad advice based upon your own experience and hearsay rather than better informed sources, especially when your conclusions are based upon past expectations of Microsoft's behavior which has changed and is widely documented to have changed.

I don't care whether you listen to me, but it is time that you listened to your son!

Michael Hartley Loc: Deer Capital of Georgia

The wife was pretty pissed, they didn't offer an upgrade for Vista. Guess, when they get the bugs worked out, and a couple of service packs, we'll buy an upgrade to 10.

BBurns Loc: South Bay, California

Everything you say is true.
I heard all of the same arguments when Win95 came out, then 2000, then XP. Those of us with an IT background try not to remember things like Millennium & Vista.
XP was the most stable OS that MS ever produces to that time. The problem was that XP was in the mainstream for 10+ years and we all became very comfortable with it.

Microsoft is not innocent either. They needlessly move things around and change folders names for no real apparent reason.

Human nature abhors change, so it is hard to accept for some. The biggest problem many XP users must cope with is the fact that they are 5 generations behind.
If they never want to upgrade, use any new software, add any new peripherals like adding a new printer, then they are fine and solid as a rock until something critical dies.

The difficulties that most users will encounter with any upgrade is compatibility with the legacy versions of their installed software.
This includes cracked and/or bootleg copies that cannot be upgraded without putting money on the counter.
Through the years one of the most common user issues is ‘Cheap’. You get what you pay for.
I truly feel for those like me, retired on a fixed income. That can put a real crimp in your hobby.

Win10 is not perfect. There are still bugs being worked out.
But when one considers the magnitude & success of the initial rollout, it is amazing. I have never seen a hot OS upgrade go this well in the past.

Win10 will become the PC standard. I am not yet a fan of Edge. It has some issues but it is still evolving.
The biggest one may be me having way to many years with IE and still missing Netscape!

joe west Loc: Taylor, Michigan

you made the rite choice, win 10 is where it's at

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

Once you get on with the new desktop metaphor, you may fall in love. It is much more stable than XP, faster and more "intuitive." I'm running Win 10 on four computers; three laptops and one desktop.
:thumbup: :-D

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Thank you. I agree with you about how Microsoft changes things and is inconsistent, but that is the nature of the beast with software these days unfortunately, and not just from Mr. Softy.

XP is a very dangerous thing to use now if it is connected to the internet or even a local network. Unless people haven't noticed, there are bad actors out there and cyber crime is increasing. Using XP connected to anything on a network is like leaving valuables visible in your car (locked or otherwise) and the front door of your house wide open when you go out for the day.

As for things like Edge, I agree, but they are optional. Firefox and Chrome are good alternatives. Computing is not free, and it is not a fundamental human right. As for old software, I have nothing significant that has broken on Windows 10, including software from the mid 90s and from companies that no longer exist.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

A thought. If you know someone that has a Windows 7 upgrade kit that they are not using they may be willing to gift it to you. Upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 that is legitimate and activated, and then you can upgrade to Windows 10 for free. It is perfectly legal to move an unused valid license from one computer to another in many circumstances.....

You may need to do a clean install of the OS and reinstall your software, but it can be done....

I still have a list of my license codes for everything from Windows 95 on, whether I currently use them or not...

It has come in useful several times...

We just recycled an expensive and very dead Lenovo Ultrabook, the worst computing purchase that I have ever made. A lemon that Lenovo just dropped support for when it was only a couple of years old. Couldn't even get a replacement battery from them. However, I did make a note of the Windows 7 license key since that was the only thing that had any value left. Other than a number of very small screws!

From my perspective, Lenovo can go to Hell in a hand basket, on the other hand I frequently recommend going to Dell by any convenient transportation method. Dell is not perfect, but they frequently will sort things out, even if you have to copy the appropriate executive on a polite message to the service department. I have never had to do that myself, but I do know from personal experience that it can work.

Can you tell that I am pissed at Lenovo? :mrgreen:

flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT

When Microsoft released Windows 7 there were some software and hardware incompatibilities that came with it. As a solution Microsoft made a Win XP compatibility mode available for download if you had Win 7 Pro or Ultimate.

I believe it is still available and I will be installing it on my i7 laptop as I have a couple of older versions of AutoCad that I know will not work with Win7.