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Adam n Eve Paintings: Variations on a Theme
May 9, 2015 22:35:14 #
Pepper
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venturer9 wrote:
James, I am going to reply to only two of your com... (show quote)
Mike, James is very good at telling us why we are wrong, why we are fools for believing as we do, you know in fairy tales, superstitions, ghosts and so on. He's good at telling us what he doesn't believe but when you ask him what he believes he is silent. James will follow believers around for the singular purpose in telling them just how wrong they are. I've noticed that when one of his atheist buddies makes a comment he jumps in with statements like "you are right" or "that's correct", his ego is asstounding. James believes that he has the answers and that he knows exactly when people are right and when they're wrong. James has no opinions or beliefs he has the truth and the facts. I've always been leery of those who have to tell everyone how smart they are generally that's something that stands out without having to tell everyone. I've found it far easier just to ignore him because he's really not interested in exchanging thoughts, beliefs, ideas and opinions (unless of course they agree with him.
May 9, 2015 22:35:21 #
James Shaw wrote:
Who is to say what another believes? Yours is an assumption?
Don't you mean that others may be wrong because they do not believe as you believe.
Don't you mean that others may be wrong because they do not believe as you believe.
No. I'll spell it out so you can understand. You criticize the Christian faith and clearly you are not a believer in it. Your obsession with it though is unhealthy. Let it go.
May 10, 2015 10:49:48 #
My point about the paintings was really very simple. The artists did not think it through. If they had models, they painted them as they saw them.
The original Adam & Eve would not have had navels, since they were not born of woman.
I suppose one must now ask, Does God have a navel? lol
What are the implications either way? Why would he have one? Why do we have one if we are made in his image and he doesn't?
They are silly questions. Do not bother yourself with them.
The original Adam & Eve would not have had navels, since they were not born of woman.
I suppose one must now ask, Does God have a navel? lol
What are the implications either way? Why would he have one? Why do we have one if we are made in his image and he doesn't?
They are silly questions. Do not bother yourself with them.
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May 10, 2015 11:51:21 #
venturer9 wrote:
James, I am going to reply to only two of your com... (show quote)
Your question #3, once again, assumes you know what I believe and do not believe. Please be absolutely specific as to what you think I believe or do not believe and please state clearly you question about it.
You might be surprised by what I believe, although I have stated it many times before on UHH.
Finally, I get "involved in subjects" that I find of interest, why shouldn't I do so, whether it differs from your belief or not? Why? Mike. Why?
May 10, 2015 23:20:41 #
venturer9
Loc: Newton, Il.
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
My point about the paintings was really very simpl... (show quote)
Basically every question you ask or post is silly........
The simplest answer for a Christian on the subject of navels is that God decided to make them that way.... It is not a deep theological question or answer.
And I believe that the Bibles answers the question perfectly as to whether or not God has a belly button... SINCE Adam and Eve do, then god does......
As He said in Genesus 1:26/27 26
Then God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
See Artz, the question you posed will never be answered to your satisfaction because you do not believe what the Bible says... BUT to a Christian, it is a ridiculous question, because the BIBLE has answered it.
May 11, 2015 00:39:08 #
venturer9
Loc: Newton, Il.
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
wow... That is quite a collection.
Not realy artz...it is one passage saying the same thing 10 times from 10 different translations.............before you go off about ten Different... Look at it this way.... Read every comment on your postings and see what different words are used to say the same thing....
And of course James conveniently forgot to include verse 29 which has to be considered with and as part of verse 28....
Mike
May 11, 2015 00:44:56 #
venturer9
Loc: Newton, Il.
James Shaw...
said in part: ""Don't you mean that others may be wrong because they do not believe as you believe.""
James, do you have the above quote on speed type...you certainly use it pretty consistently...
Mike
said in part: ""Don't you mean that others may be wrong because they do not believe as you believe.""
James, do you have the above quote on speed type...you certainly use it pretty consistently...
Mike
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May 11, 2015 00:59:41 #
venturer9
Loc: Newton, Il.
James Shaw said in part..
""Your question #3, once again, assumes you know what I believe and do not believe. Please be absolutely specific as to what you think I believe or do not believe and please state clearly you question about it.
I will be perfectly Clear about my question....
I believe that I have a perfect understanding as to how you "Believe" about Christianity and Christians.... Below I have taken 8 comments from this current posting by artz. Each of these comments are FROM you Written by you and "Send" was hit by you to send them on their way to this post.
Now if I had not been tired and not really eager to do so, I could have gone back to many of the posts with a Christian theme and brought forth many of your comments... Several of a much more obvious indication of what your belief is on the subjects of Christianity and Christians.....
But I am going to put the onus on you to dissect each of the quotes of yours and tell us what they mean to you.
It is not necessary for you to make snide remarks about we who Believe in Christianity and Christians as most Christians on here have made our Beliefs Clear...
We want to know what your comments mean...
Remember that it was men, not a-God who wrote the Bible.
'
So, I really do not understand what all the fuss about gays, gay weddings, etc. is all about, since it was God that made the very first transgender, which was first a man and then a woman, all made by God. Makes sense to me, anyway.
When you stop and think about it, it is prudent to conclude that Eve had to have been the first transgender.
Nipples were originally male adornments. The were given, by God, to the first transgender, Eve.
That would mean that Christians are descendents of that original "gay" couple
Belief in supernatural deities, for most, really boils down to a belief that the human "soul" (whatever that may be) is going to a higher place after the body dies, but others do not dwell on that concept too much as there is no enticing rational evidence to support it.
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
If someone tells you something is an unpardonable sin, they are merely trying to put you down, control you into their way of belief. Power hungry holier-than-thou hypocrites.
Total Bull s--t. The Bible is so full of contradiction as to make it very difficult to fathom in so many of its parts:
Let me offer my understanding of these comments in realation of Christianity and Christians...
You do not believe in Christianity at all, and you think that a Christian is a fool.... Am I close...?
Mike
""Your question #3, once again, assumes you know what I believe and do not believe. Please be absolutely specific as to what you think I believe or do not believe and please state clearly you question about it.
I will be perfectly Clear about my question....
I believe that I have a perfect understanding as to how you "Believe" about Christianity and Christians.... Below I have taken 8 comments from this current posting by artz. Each of these comments are FROM you Written by you and "Send" was hit by you to send them on their way to this post.
Now if I had not been tired and not really eager to do so, I could have gone back to many of the posts with a Christian theme and brought forth many of your comments... Several of a much more obvious indication of what your belief is on the subjects of Christianity and Christians.....
But I am going to put the onus on you to dissect each of the quotes of yours and tell us what they mean to you.
It is not necessary for you to make snide remarks about we who Believe in Christianity and Christians as most Christians on here have made our Beliefs Clear...
We want to know what your comments mean...
Remember that it was men, not a-God who wrote the Bible.
'
So, I really do not understand what all the fuss about gays, gay weddings, etc. is all about, since it was God that made the very first transgender, which was first a man and then a woman, all made by God. Makes sense to me, anyway.
When you stop and think about it, it is prudent to conclude that Eve had to have been the first transgender.
Nipples were originally male adornments. The were given, by God, to the first transgender, Eve.
That would mean that Christians are descendents of that original "gay" couple
Belief in supernatural deities, for most, really boils down to a belief that the human "soul" (whatever that may be) is going to a higher place after the body dies, but others do not dwell on that concept too much as there is no enticing rational evidence to support it.
Just wondering if a focal point for believers, such as you seem to be, is that two weirdos in a beautiful garden were responsible 3,000 years or so ago, for the bad (sins) you carry today and for the rest of your life? Now, that is a far reaching focal point, wouldn't you say?
If someone tells you something is an unpardonable sin, they are merely trying to put you down, control you into their way of belief. Power hungry holier-than-thou hypocrites.
Total Bull s--t. The Bible is so full of contradiction as to make it very difficult to fathom in so many of its parts:
Let me offer my understanding of these comments in realation of Christianity and Christians...
You do not believe in Christianity at all, and you think that a Christian is a fool.... Am I close...?
Mike
May 11, 2015 02:06:51 #
I suppose you are right. Sort of like having the various versions of Superman drawn by the different artists over the past decades. Comics are like that, each artist wants to make his/her version a little bit different.
venturer9 wrote:
Not realy artz...it is one passage saying the same thing 10 times from 10 different translations.............before you go off about ten Different... Look at it this way.... Read every comment on your postings and see what different words are used to say the same thing....
And of course James conveniently forgot to include verse 29 which has to be considered with and as part of verse 28....
Mike
And of course James conveniently forgot to include verse 29 which has to be considered with and as part of verse 28....
Mike
May 11, 2015 09:44:28 #
May 11, 2015 09:57:44 #
shagbat
Loc: London
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I suppose you are right. Sort of like having the various versions of Superman drawn by the different artists over the past decades. Comics are like that, each artist wants to make his/her version a little bit different.
Thing is Art, do these people maintain their cars with a dubious manual for donkey carts, published about the same time as the formation of Islam; ie 1500 hundred years ago and 600 years after supposed events.
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May 11, 2015 10:11:27 #
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ArtzDarkroom wrote: br My point about the painting... (show quote)
venturer9 wrote:
Basically every question you ask or post is silly.... (show quote)
No question is "ridiculous," Mike, and you use the same argument when it comes to my answers to your questions. I am afraid you will never be satisfied.
According to the Bible, then, Mike, Eve was the first transgender, and she was made by God. First she was a male, genetically identical to a Adam, his brother you might say, which God then converted into a female capable of having children. I think you must consider that when saying God made us in his own image.
May 11, 2015 13:28:34 #
If you read the last sentence of my post, I suggest they are silly question and do not require a response. So you responded. lol
In your last sentence you too suggest they are ridiculous questions. Are you suggesting we agree and thus by your definition I too am a Christian? lol
By the way Jesus Christ was a Jew, right?
In your last sentence you too suggest they are ridiculous questions. Are you suggesting we agree and thus by your definition I too am a Christian? lol
By the way Jesus Christ was a Jew, right?
venturer9 wrote:
Basically every question you ask or post is silly.... (show quote)
May 11, 2015 14:58:55 #
venturer9 wrote:
James Shaw said in part.. br ""Your ques... (show quote)
No, Mike, you are not close, I do not think all Christians are fools, just some, as I believe that some non-believers are fools.
Yes, I believe in Christianity, to the extent of what Jesus attempted to do in the way of good on this earth. Do I believe that Jesus was a-God?
There is no way to really know that, for sure, and you cannot deny it. I just say I do not know. It is a belief you and others have. Belief is not necessarily a fact. History has told us that.
Just because one does not believe the way you believe, does not make one a non-believer. You do not have the corner on belief!
May 11, 2015 15:03:24 #
venturer9 wrote:
James Shaw...
said in part: ""Don't you mean that others may be wrong because they do not believe as you believe.""
James, do you have the above quote on speed type...you certainly use it pretty consistently...
Mike
said in part: ""Don't you mean that others may be wrong because they do not believe as you believe.""
James, do you have the above quote on speed type...you certainly use it pretty consistently...
Mike
Why not just answer the question Mike? Also answer do you believe that you have the corner on belief? Your belief is the only avenue to belief. Please not superstitious stuff.
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