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Mar 23, 2015 11:56:18   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Most probably know this but some may have missed it.

ViewNX-i has been released and Capture NX-D ver 1.2.0 is out.

They work well together.

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Mar 23, 2015 12:08:23   #
Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX
 
Using it with my new D7200 until Lightroom catches up, thanks to help from others here at the Hog. I have a question regarding these Nikon programs. If I convert my D7200 30MB NEF files to the highest quality TIFF, which is pushing 140MB in size, will I be able to recover detail from shadows as well as I could with a RAW file? In other words, is all the info from the RAW file in this monstrous TIFF file? Thanks in advance everybody!

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Mar 23, 2015 12:24:29   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Mr PC wrote:
Using it with my new D7200 until Lightroom catches up, thanks to help from others here at the Hog. I have a question regarding these Nikon programs. If I convert my D7200 30MB NEF files to the highest quality TIFF, which is pushing 140MB in size, will I be able to recover detail from shadows as well as I could with a RAW file? In other words, is all the info from the RAW file in this monstrous TIFF file? Thanks in advance everybody!


I believe, but am not positive, that the answer is no. For this reason, I always save my RAW files and consider them my "negatives". I only save a file in Tiff after it is printed. I only use Jpegs for viewing or distribution to clients. Just my way of doing things.

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Mar 23, 2015 12:25:26   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
joer wrote:
Most probably know this but some may have missed it.

ViewNX-i has been released and Capture NX-D ver 1.2.0 is out.

They work well together.


Thanks. Have loaded them both several days ago and have been using them. I do like both as well. The price is fantastic!

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Mar 23, 2015 12:28:05   #
Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX
 
Mr PC wrote:
Using it with my new D7200 until Lightroom catches up, thanks to help from others here at the Hog. I have a question regarding these Nikon programs. If I convert my D7200 30MB NEF files to the highest quality TIFF, which is pushing 140MB in size, will I be able to recover detail from shadows as well as I could with a RAW file? In other words, is all the info from the RAW file in this monstrous TIFF file? Thanks in advance everybody!


Oops, took my own advice and used the Search to answer this question. It did raise another question. What if I go from the unsupported D7200 NEF to the highest quality 16-bit TIFF to DNG. Will I lose much? Will I be in better shape than just biting the bullet and shooting RAW+JPG for the time being and revisiting any "WOW!" shots once support is added to Adobe products?

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Mar 23, 2015 12:34:41   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Mr PC wrote:
Oops, took my own advice and used the Search to answer this question. It did raise another question. What if I go from the unsupported D7200 NEF to the highest quality 16-bit TIFF to DNG. Will I lose much? Will I be in better shape than just biting the bullet and shooting RAW+JPG for the time being and revisiting any "WOW!" shots once support is added to Adobe products?


I'm sorry but I don't have a D7200 to test my theory, but...

I always use Nikon Capture to create my Tiffs for Adobe. If the current version of capture doesn't handle the D7200 files, I would guess that a revision will be released within a few days to cover that. It's always been my personal feeling that Nikon knows more about it's raw files than does anyone else, so my preference is to let Nikon handle it. I suggest a quick call to Nikon Tech support to get your answers.

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Mar 23, 2015 13:38:56   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
joer wrote:
Most probably know this but some may have missed it.

ViewNX-i has been released and Capture NX-D ver 1.2.0 is out.

They work well together.


Is that the new Mars Rover?!?! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Mar 23, 2015 13:58:49   #
Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Is that the new Mars Rover?!?! :lol: :lol:
SS


Yes, it's a pair of Rovers, one shoots Canon, the other shoots Nikon and Adobe doesn't know what to do with their output either...

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Mar 24, 2015 09:12:14   #
Picdude Loc: Ohio
 
Mr PC wrote:
Oops, took my own advice and used the Search to answer this question. It did raise another question. What if I go from the unsupported D7200 NEF to the highest quality 16-bit TIFF to DNG. Will I lose much? Will I be in better shape than just biting the bullet and shooting RAW+JPG for the time being and revisiting any "WOW!" shots once support is added to Adobe products?


Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but it sounds like you are asking if you should convert from NEF to TIFF then to DNG. If that's the case, no, you really should not be converting to TIFF before DNG. DNG files are already based on the TIFF format and converting to TIFF before DNG is a wasted step and may cause degradation or loss of information by jumping through unnecessary hoops.

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Mar 24, 2015 09:45:10   #
ivanj Loc: NW CT and Ontario, CA
 
I am primarily an author but I often need to provide images for the articles I write. I shoot RAW + jpeg highest quality with my Nikon. This gives me all the options the publication needs. For the first draft, I send the magazine a Word file with lower quality (size) jpegs in the body of the document so the editor understands how the article flows. When I submit the final files to a magazine, I always send them RAW files through a transfer site that is happy with 2GB images ( I think the largest RAW I've sent was 45MB.). Every publication has different standard for their processing and so far they all request RAW so their art people can tweak them for print or other media. Why should I convert these files to yet another format in my particular situation? It would waste my time. Publishing deadlines are important. Your situation maybe different.

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Mar 24, 2015 14:52:22   #
dat2ra Loc: Sacramento
 
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Mar 24, 2015 15:42:10   #
tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
 
Mr PC wrote:
Using it with my new D7200 until Lightroom catches up, thanks to help from others here at the Hog. I have a question regarding these Nikon programs. If I convert my D7200 30MB NEF files to the highest quality TIFF, which is pushing 140MB in size, will I be able to recover detail from shadows as well as I could with a RAW file? In other words, is all the info from the RAW file in this monstrous TIFF file? Thanks in advance everybody!


It"s not the cats meow but try opening your tiff or jpeg in Raw and sometimes you can bring an image to life. Be careful when using the sliders as you can over process very easily. I usually blown the image up to 100 percent do my adjustments and toggle back and forth to see if I like it or not.

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Mar 24, 2015 20:03:59   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Mr PC wrote:
Using it with my new D7200 until Lightroom catches up, thanks to help from others here at the Hog. I have a question regarding these Nikon programs. If I convert my D7200 30MB NEF files to the highest quality TIFF, which is pushing 140MB in size, will I be able to recover detail from shadows as well as I could with a RAW file? In other words, is all the info from the RAW file in this monstrous TIFF file? Thanks in advance everybody!


TIFF is a lossless format so in theory you will not lose Information, highlight detail, etc in converting from NEF to 16 bit TIFF.

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Mar 24, 2015 21:00:18   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
JD750 wrote:
TIFF is a lossless format so in theory you will not lose Information, highlight detail, etc in converting from NEF to 16 bit TIFF.


Picture-wise I would agree. Data-wise, I respectfully do not. Much data which is part of the raw file is not transferred to any other file type. That's not to say the Tiff file format is a bad one, it's just not designed to store all the different sensor information and camera settings that the Raw format is. The Tiff format is superior to the Jpeg format in many ways, at the expense of file size. All formats have their purpose. In my book, I consider Raw files my digital "negatives" and I always keep them regardless of what other file types I might create. IMHO.

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Mar 25, 2015 00:14:01   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
cjc2 wrote:
Picture-wise I would agree. Data-wise, I respectfully do not. Much data which is part of the raw file is not transferred to any other file type. That's not to say the Tiff file format is a bad one, it's just not designed to store all the different sensor information and camera settings that the Raw format is. The Tiff format is superior to the Jpeg format in many ways, at the expense of file size. All formats have their purpose. In my book, I consider Raw files my digital "negatives" and I always keep them regardless of what other file types I might create. IMHO.
Picture-wise I would agree. Data-wise, I respectf... (show quote)


Yes you are correct and that is a good point.

This also argues for using the Camera Manufacturer's software for editing RAW files as aftermarket editors must reverse engineer the proprietary "sensor information and camera settings".

Anytime a digital raw is "developed" things external to the image are lost and the edits at that point are "baked in" to the "Print".

However the TIFF can be opened with an editor and all the digital picture information, including highlight and shadows data, that was saved at that time, is still there. Unlike a JPEG where a huge amount of information, including highlight and shadows data, is truncated and never to be recovered.

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