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Feb 5, 2015 23:43:35   #
OviedoPhotos
 
I just saw an announcement that canon is releasing the 5DS & 5DS R with 50mp and a few another improvements.

But 50mp? I know that megapixels alone won't make me any better of a photographer.

Is there really an advantage? How about workflow? Can the sensor technology at full frame really have advanced that much?

Don't get me wrong, its impressive. But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?

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Feb 6, 2015 00:02:02   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?

Cameras are tools to make better pictures easier, and that one will. But a camera can never make a photographer smarter, and that one won't either.

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Feb 6, 2015 00:24:08   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
I just saw an announcement that canon is releasing the 5DS & 5DS R with 50mp and a few another improvements.

But 50mp? I know that megapixels alone won't make me any better of a photographer.

Is there really an advantage? How about workflow? Can the sensor technology at full frame really have advanced that much?

Don't get me wrong, its impressive. But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?

I think workflow, with large files, would take a fast computer with lots of RAM. This is why I won't consider a 50MP camera, at this time.

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Feb 6, 2015 00:32:33   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
I just saw an announcement that canon is releasing the 5DS & 5DS R with 50mp and a few another improvements.

But 50mp? I know that megapixels alone won't make me any better of a photographer.

Is there really an advantage? How about workflow? Can the sensor technology at full frame really have advanced that much?

Don't get me wrong, its impressive. But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?


The advantage comes when you enlarge the image. The more MP's the larger the image can be enlarged.

Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?

Yes it does. As long as the meter doesn't get fooled.
I just got out of class, tonight, and the assignment was to use the full auto mode. Bring in 15 images, and pick 3 duds. Most of my 'duds' were of black dogs, and cows, that came out gray, because the meter was fooled.
It was kind of a fun, easy assignment. :D
Marion

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Feb 6, 2015 08:17:19   #
OviedoPhotos
 
Thank you both. I used to use auto mode a long time ago and recall the gray from black

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Feb 6, 2015 09:07:13   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Photographers in the habit of aggressively cropping their images will welcome 50 megapixels I suppose.

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Feb 6, 2015 09:20:28   #
Bugfan Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
When Nikon came out with the 36 megapixel D800 I was among one of the first to line up for one. At the time there were many who asked similar questions about the benefits of that much resolution.

My primary work is macro and I tend to go for really small stuff. Back in the ten megapixel days macro was very frustrating, I had to use a bellows to magnify and even then cropping often didn't get me good results.

With the D800 suddenly all that changed. I was able to do images not only of little things but also distant things and crop to a crisp excellent image.

There is a cost of course. The camera isn't as fast as my other professional body (a D3), the best I can usually get is four frames per second, and of course the files are a lot larger too. But these shortcomings are easily offset by providing me an incredible amount of data that I can use to extract awesome images.

If this Canon announcement is for real I'm going to be envious, I'd love 50 megapixels, but the envy will only be temporary, eventually Nikon will catch up again just as Canon has now caught up and exceeded Nikon temporarily.

One thing to be aware of ... I went through a real struggle with my D800 when I got it. One issue was focus, they had a new focus algorithm that cost me some time to master and I had problems with artefacts.

At thirty six megapixels the slightest imperfection in a lens or on the sensor is reflected in the image. I had to become meticulous. My sensor had to be spotlessly clean and my lenses also had to be spotless. Only then could I get good quality images with no artefacts. I discovered too that any lens I owned that was not of a professional quality didn't give me excellent images any more.

At fifty megapixels, that new Canon will have similar issues. If you buy one learn how to clean lenses and the sensor, you're going to need it as I did too. And start to save for the best Canon glass you can buy. But that said, look forward to incredible images too.

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Feb 6, 2015 09:30:07   #
JPL
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
I just saw an announcement that canon is releasing the 5DS & 5DS R with 50mp and a few another improvements.

But 50mp? I know that megapixels alone won't make me any better of a photographer.

Is there really an advantage? How about workflow? Can the sensor technology at full frame really have advanced that much?

Don't get me wrong, its impressive. But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?


Yes there are advantages.
Some good to know points about your questions and this camera.

1. This camera finally provides Canon shooters with camera that is fully comparable to Nikon D810 and Sony A7r in resolution, and has even more resolution than those two. So now Canon users do not have to envy Nikon and Sony owners because of resolution.
2. This pushes Nikon and Sony to continue doing better than Canon. So we may soon expect something new from those two.
3. This category of cameras is not aimed at people who need auto mode for shooting pics. This is for serious photographers and others alike who know what they need and want and know how to use it. So even if the auto mode works well it really does not matter.
4. This camera is not at all made for people who need auto great composition feature. That is what you learn when you go to photography school and when practicing photography. Has nothing to do with camera at all.

Not being a Canon shooter I must say I am very impressed with this camera and Canon for making it and selling it at only $3.699 That is not much when compared to its predecessor, the 5dmiii which in terms of resolution is less than half this camera and cost only $200 less when it was released 3 years ago. This 200 bucks price difference hardly more than corrects for general inflation. So I am sure Canon users will welcome this camera, I bet it will be a bestseller in the Canon lineup this year and next year. The only negative thing I see coming is heavily priced glass for it. That is where Canon users will suffer moneywise. Most of the glass they are using now is not good match for this camera.

Here is a link to some pics at Canon Japan taken with the new 50 mpx camera. There you can see very well what you get with this camera. And we can also see very well the lens limitation, f.x. in the Tokyo sky pic which is taken at 28 mm/f.8 There is only about 1/3 of the picture that is sharp when viewing it full size. This pic is shot with the EF24-70mm F4L IS USM which obviously is pretty useless for those who plan to use full size landscape prints from this camera.
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5ds/

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Feb 6, 2015 09:53:45   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
I just saw an announcement that canon is releasing the 5DS & 5DS R with 50mp and a few another improvements.

But 50mp? I know that megapixels alone won't make me any better of a photographer.

Is there really an advantage? How about workflow? Can the sensor technology at full frame really have advanced that much?

Don't get me wrong, its impressive. But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?

Looks like a camera for studio and landscape work on a tripod. I suspect high ISO and dynamic range performance will be sub-par, but that won't matter if you have studio light or long exposure times with non-moving objects.

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Feb 6, 2015 10:01:29   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
JPL wrote:
Here is a link to some pics at Canon Japan taken with the new 50 mpx camera. There you can see very well what you get with this camera. And we can also see very well the lens limitation, f.x. in the Tokyo sky pic which is taken at 28 mm/f.8 There is only about 1/3 of the picture that is sharp when viewing it full size. I do not know what lens they were using, if it was a 28 mm lens or a zoom but at least they were using a lens that is pretty useless for those who plan to use full size landscape prints from this camera.
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5ds/
Here is a link to some pics at Canon Japan taken w... (show quote)

Canon just announced an 11-24mm f/4 lens for about $3,000. That is a lot of money for a wide angle f/4. It may be that this is one of the few wide angle lenses that will be able to take advantage of the 50mp sensor.

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Feb 6, 2015 10:25:39   #
JPL
 
jackpi wrote:
Canon just announced an 11-24mm f/4 lens for about $3,000. That is a lot of money for a wide angle f/4. It may be that this is one of the few wide angle lenses that will be able to take advantage of the 50mp sensor.


I guess so. I have been looking at pictures taken with those new 50 mpx cameras that are published at Canon Japan with various lenses and I see that the EF16-35mm F4L IS USM and EF24-70mm F4L IS USM are no match for those cameras.
But the EF70-200mm F2.8L IS II USM, EF200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x, EF24-70mm F2.8L II USM and EF500mm F4L IS II USM all give very good results.

See for yourself here http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5ds/ and here http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5dsr/

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Feb 6, 2015 10:49:02   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
I just saw an announcement that canon is releasing the 5DS & 5DS R with 50mp and a few another improvements.

But 50mp? I know that megapixels alone won't make me any better of a photographer.

Is there really an advantage? How about workflow? Can the sensor technology at full frame really have advanced that much?

Don't get me wrong, its impressive. But does it come with an auto-great composition feature? Does the auto mode replace knowing the exposure triangle?


I am waiting for a 1GP (gigapixel) drone camera with artificial intelligence and auto fishing abilities, so that when it returns home, it will bring both fresh catches: Fish-eye shots (already processed) as well as freshly caught fish. Then CHEF 2015 the robotic homemaker can take over from that point while I focus my 2500mm bio-telelens camera (fovea-vision) on Hog postings! :mrgreen:

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Feb 6, 2015 11:16:32   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
I would like to see sigma's multi layer concept perfected. imagine a 5 layer sensor at 10 mp each. low noise and a solid image. also each layer being set at a different value and combined to get a great one shot hdr image.

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Feb 6, 2015 11:20:55   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Apaflo wrote:
Cameras are tools to make better pictures easier, and that one will. But a camera can never make a photographer smarter, and that one won't either.


But you might be smarter for having bought it!! :lol:
SS

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Feb 6, 2015 11:24:42   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SharpShooter wrote:
But you might be smarter for having bought it!! :lol:
SS

You won't be smarter because you bought it.

You buy it in the first place because you are already smarter!

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