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Dec 30, 2014 04:16:03   #
tradergeorge Loc: Newport, Kentucky
 
Adicus wrote:
You are correct and you cant mess too much with thermodynamics I just believe that there must be another way without exploding stuff in confined places and our reliance upon the wheel and things that cycle. This is the way our brains work and we need to think differently if we want to explore outer space.Just mt two pennyworth.


Thinking differently is just one of those things that is tossed about when nothing specific can be quoted. I think our scientists have been and are exploring every facet that can be seen. The reason that "exploding things" is used it that it is the one form of energy we can control...However, we DO have small nuclear reactors in space probes and it works well...

BUT, the main problem, and the one we will have the hardest time overcoming is time. There just is not enough time to get from one place to another, even if it is close by astronomical measurements. Yes, there are theories about wormholes and the bending of space, but that still does not solve the problem of knowing where you are going once you get there...Imagine emerging from a wormhole into........nothingness, for thousands of light years around, because what you saw from Earth is no longer there. Yes, time is the big killer, because it is not even a few generations we are talking about....It is MILLIONS ....Think of how much recycling would have to improve to even supply a ship for one generation. TIME and the ability to carry enough supplies for even one person would be insurmountable. ....And even if you got past all that and sent your first mission...By the time they reported back, our civilization would be long gone...There are just more things trying to thwart such thing than there are trying to help them along....We just will not be here long enough to make it work....The Laws of Physics will prevail, as they always have, and always will...Cheers...

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Dec 30, 2014 10:01:41   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
Sweet Willie wrote:
There once was a lady named Wright,
who traveled much faster than light.
She left one day,
In a relative way,
And returned the previous night!
Sweet Willie


Actually I've done that. All one needs to do is fly over the International Date Line. I left Okinawa and landed in LA 3 hours before I left, after flying 16 hours.

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Dec 30, 2014 11:04:56   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
bearcat wrote:
I suppose, if we play our cards right, we just might survive as a species long after Earth is turned into a cinder...

http://exoplanets.newscientistapps.com/?utm_source=howtogeek&utm_medium=email&utm_campaig...

BC
jimmya wrote:
Often called the "comfort zone", that area where we are relative to our parent star, there certainly could be lots of other civilizations out there looking back at us.

But the question also becomes, if those stars are 3,000 light years from here, we're seeing planets that were in the position for the telescope to see them a thousand years before Christ.

So, one has to ask, what are they like now? Can any living being travel 3,000 light years in a short enough time to make it to our planet to be then seen as UFO's? difficult to say isn't it.

Nice and very interesting web page, thanks for posting.
Often called the "comfort zone", that ar... (show quote)

Good point you make. When we are in travel to the distant regions of space, on our explorations to find new "earths," we may find out, along the way, that our destination no longer exists, which would not be apparent as we observed our target when we left earth.

Point in fact: if the sun were instantly extinguished we would not know it until about 8 minutes later.

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Dec 30, 2014 11:07:58   #
James Shaw
 
tradergeorge wrote:
Thinking differently is just one of those things that is tossed about when nothing specific can be quoted. I think our scientists have been and are exploring every facet that can be seen. The reason that "exploding things" is used it that it is the one form of energy we can control...However, we DO have small nuclear reactors in space probes and it works well...

BUT, the main problem, and the one we will have the hardest time overcoming is time. There just is not enough time to get from one place to another, even if it is close by astronomical measurements. Yes, there are theories about wormholes and the bending of space, but that still does not solve the problem of knowing where you are going once you get there...Imagine emerging from a wormhole into........nothingness, for thousands of light years around, because what you saw from Earth is no longer there. Yes, time is the big killer, because it is not even a few generations we are talking about....It is MILLIONS ....Think of how much recycling would have to improve to even supply a ship for one generation. TIME and the ability to carry enough supplies for even one person would be insurmountable. ....And even if you got past all that and sent your first mission...By the time they reported back, our civilization would be long gone...There are just more things trying to thwart such thing than there are trying to help them along....We just will not be here long enough to make it work....The Laws of Physics will prevail, as they always have, and always will...Cheers...
Thinking differently is just one of those things t... (show quote)
Ah, yes, but just to think about such is most entertaining to a curious mind.

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Dec 30, 2014 11:14:34   #
James Shaw
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Of course, it really will not matter will it? If the big bang is to repeat every so many trillions of years or so anyway, we all just start over. Sort of a cosmic RESET to default button.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-11/was-big-bang-preceded-another-universe-which-was-preceded-another-universe
It is my understanding, from current findings, that our universe is on a one-way journey of exponential expansion and will never rebound for additional big bangs?

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Dec 30, 2014 18:45:18   #
Adicus Loc: New Zealand
 
I love this sort of discussion (not that its got anything to do with photography but dont tell anyone) I do know one thing and that is, there are more things that we cant see than there are that we are able to see, so who knows what fabulous discoveries await the human race.

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Dec 30, 2014 18:50:12   #
bigwolf40 Loc: Effort, Pa.
 
Adicus wrote:
I love this sort of discussion (not that its got anything to do with photography but dont tell anyone) I do know one thing and that is, there are more things that we cant see than there are that we are able to see, so who knows what fabulous discoveries await the human race.


True True True And for myself I am a believer. When I was in the Air force and stationed in England the was an indecent that happened and It made me a believer....Rich

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Dec 30, 2014 18:55:31   #
davidheald1942 Loc: Mars (the planet)
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Probably a good idea.

Semper Fi my brother,

Dennis


Toon 152 sir, (at P.I.) 1959 Semper Fi all you Jar Heads.

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Dec 30, 2014 20:37:13   #
James Shaw
 
Adicus wrote:
I love this sort of discussion (not that its got anything to do with photography but dont tell anyone) I do know one thing and that is, there are more things that we cant see than there are that we are able to see, so who knows what fabulous discoveries await the human race.
Ah, yes, I love what you say. And I, for one, look forward to hearing about any new new discoveries that come my way.

It makes life so much more fun and worthwhile, especially now that I am older and have put so many of the unnecessary worries aside.

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Dec 30, 2014 20:49:58   #
Adicus Loc: New Zealand
 
Hi bigwolf40, Are you going to tell us about the incident?please

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Dec 30, 2014 21:21:39   #
RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa
 
beam me up Scottie!
oopsie...couldn't help myself.

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Dec 30, 2014 21:36:07   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
If there are other Earths, let's hope their photography forum users are more polite.

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Dec 31, 2014 06:07:51   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
bearcat wrote:
Look what technological progress we've made in the last 100 years.

We've still got a few billion years to figure it out, if we don't blow ourselves up, first.

BC


that's wishful thinking at best .just think if we were at the stage that we are now . say two thousand years ago or even a thousand years ago . and kept
doing what were doing now . there would be no more rain forest . the ocean
would be dead . look what's going on now . half the people in the world are going hungry . or sick . living in some garbage dump . ebola . mad cow , lime
diesese . it's not getting better . there is simply tow many people and not enough food . and that's less every year . every one is struggling . get up drag your ass to some dead end job . then the week end comes friday. sat.
go to the bar hoot and holler for a couple hours . recuperate on Sunday threw
a couple burgers on an crack a few beer watch The game . Monday it starts
the same cycle again . day in and day out , and there the lucky ones with a
job that just barely keeps the family going . the population has to be cut in half . by war birth control or what ever it takes .there's to many bees in the hive .

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Dec 31, 2014 09:41:38   #
James Shaw
 
Bram boy wrote:
that's wishful thinking at best .just think if we were at the stage that we are now . say two thousand years ago or even a thousand years ago . and kept
doing what were doing now . there would be no more rain forest . the ocean
would be dead . look what's going on now . half the people in the world are going hungry . or sick . living in some garbage dump . ebola . mad cow , lime
diesese . it's not getting better . there is simply tow many people and not enough food . and that's less every year . every one is struggling . get up drag your ass to some dead end job . then the week end comes friday. sat.
go to the bar hoot and holler for a couple hours . recuperate on Sunday threw
a couple burgers on an crack a few beer watch The game . Monday it starts
the same cycle again . day in and day out , and there the lucky ones with a
job that just barely keeps the family going . the population has to be cut in half . by war birth control or what ever it takes .there's to many bees in the hive .
that's wishful thinking at best .just think if we ... (show quote)
Wow, you sound like the profit-of-doom. Do you really think that most of our problems would go away if "our population were cut in half?" Check this out:

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

We are roughly 7 billion in number, today, but 3.5 billion in 1980. Most of man's problems, today, existed in 1980, when the population was half of what it is today.

In our favor, I believe, is that 3.5 billion of us will be on-line by the year 2017 (http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/), and will be able to communicate in a positive way with each other, as we do here, and not through war, which has never kept our population in check. Diseases in the past have killed more than our wars.

Heart disease is the number 1 killer for both males and females. It kills a lot more people than ALL forms of cancer tumors put together. In fact, it kills more people than war or accidents. Cardiovascular diseases and ischemic heart disease cause more than 40% of all deaths, according to the World Health Organization.

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Dec 31, 2014 13:34:11   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Adicus wrote:
We are stuck here (where we belong )for as long as we persist in using rocket type propulsion to get anywhere else.We have to stop using old fashioned engines and stop thinking that the speed of light is the fastest that things can move and then and only then will we get anywhere else that can support our life type. I firmly believe that we will never be allowed to go to any place else in the universe that has civilised beings as we are really not very nice !!! Of course I am a nice person but just dont annoy me too much.
We are stuck here (where we belong )for as long as... (show quote)


makes you wonder what kind of propulsion system the UFO's use . I have seen them three times . first time was in 1956 . I was hunting ducks waiting for dawn to brake . second time was 10pm in august at a rv camp ground there was about 20 of us sitting around a camp fire near the ocean roasting
hot dog, marshmallows . it was huge going slow and silent right over us pulsating different coloured lights not bright but glowing like huge bowels of jello. in 1975 and another time six of us on a fishing trip on a frends boat there was six of them we were on the beach clear night roasting weaners again around 1967 . try to imagine looking out at the ocean and seeing white
pulsating lights flying as high as one of your jets or higher coming straight at you from the time we seen them looking straight out at the ocean we never had to tilt our heads tell they were right over head straight up . then turn around and watch them go over the horizon behind us and and disappear because of the distance . but here is the thing . it took about six seconds from
the time we seen them to go over our heads and dissaper of in the distance behind us . nothing I have ever seen goes that fast . not even shooting stars ,
and I have watched our jets do the same thing and it takes then 10 min. leaving there quantrail behind . and im talking saying one thousand one to one
thousand six . when you get to six they have gone out of sight . and who knows that may only cruseing speed .

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