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Oct 6, 2014 01:17:57   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
PeterM wrote:
I think this is the best advice so far for shooting action shots.

My rule of thumb for certain light conditions is - set a constant ISO that will allow you to select a fairly fast shutter speed in shutter priority/TV and let the camera choose the aperture.

For the night rodeo light I'd start with setting ISO 800, 1/250 sec in TV and your lens should give a medium aperture with good depth of field (so autofocus isn't so critical).

Once you have the exposure down, you can shoot away. The shots you posted were quite good. If you follow this recipe, they all will be in the range.
I think this is the best advice so far for shootin... (show quote)

Considering that the pictures which were posted used ISO 6400, f/5.6, 1/250s (within a stop), I'm not sure how ISO 800 will work for this venue.

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Oct 6, 2014 08:19:38   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
amehta wrote:
Considering that the pictures which were posted used ISO 6400, f/5.6, 1/250s (within a stop), I'm not sure how ISO 800 will work for this venue.


amehta, I just checked the exif data on #1, and it was shot at iso of 800, not 6400.

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Oct 6, 2014 08:44:59   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=jgreco]I have camera data for the firs picture. After you post you can go back and add titles or numbers to you picture.

David

Your histogram could be tweaked a bit, but wouldn't help focus.





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Oct 6, 2014 09:05:34   #
manofhg Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
I use a T2i and in manual mode CAN control all.

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Oct 6, 2014 09:10:10   #
jsmangis Loc: Peoria, IL
 
jgreco wrote:
That's a 1000.00 lens ( sigma 70-200) holly crap. More than the camera!


When I was shopping for my first SLR (30 years ago) a photographer friend gave me some advice that has served me well even into my conversion to a DSLR six years ago. He said "A camera is just a box that holds the image, it's the lens that takes the picture. You need to buy the camera that uses the best glass that you can afford. That way you will never be disappointed in your choice". With Canon or Nikon an expensive lens on an inexpensive body will always take better pictures than a bargain lens on an expensive body. You could try renting a good lens for a week to see the difference. Good luck.

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Oct 6, 2014 10:40:17   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
jgreco wrote:
That's a 1000.00 lens ( sigma 70-200) holly crap. More than the camera!


Welcome to the world of photography. This is inexpensive as far as good zooms go. For an f2.8, this is a decent price. I looked at the sharpness ratings on DXO and it should give you decent photos. One added plus for an f2.8 is quicker focusing in action shots because the lens focuses wide open, at f2.8. So, even when you're not shooting in low light situations, it would benefit you. Be glad you're not purchasing the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 which goes for $2300.

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Oct 6, 2014 10:43:09   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
SteveR wrote:
Welcome to the world of photography. This is inexpensive as far as good zooms go. For an f2.8, this is a decent price. I looked at the sharpness ratings on DXO and it should give you decent photos. One added plus for an f2.8 is quicker focusing in action shots because the lens focuses wide open, at f2.8. So, even when you're not shooting in low light situations, it would benefit you. Be glad you're not purchasing the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 which goes for $2300.However, it's 18 on the sharpness scale, whereas the Sigma is a 13.
Welcome to the world of photography. This is inex... (show quote)

I believe the Tamron is comparable to the Sigma in price but comparable to the Nikon & Canon in sharpness.

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Oct 6, 2014 10:53:13   #
Nightski
 
jgreco wrote:
Thank you for the good advise. I was thinking of renting for a day shoot and I don't know how that's works with shipping time and all. But I will check it out. I am surprised that so many professionals had different answers to my question. I only wanted to know why when I looked at settings for say sports in pre_sets, when I tried to duplicate the settings in manual, I obtained different results which were 2 stops darker. I know that a kit lens can only do so much and now understand why a prime or L lens is better, thanks to all the info given to me. Someday I may get one of those fancy lenses but for now I am pushing the kit lenses to see how far they can go. Thanks for being kind in your opinion and informing me to try it before I buy it.
Thank you for the good advise. I was thinking of r... (show quote)


jgreco .. I do landscape photography, but I got a Sigma 150-500 F5-6.3 for wildlife and I thought I would have a go at the girls powder puff game to see what I could do with my new lens. This is my first try at sports photography. The lens was $750.00. I don't think you have to spend $2000, but $750 is about as cheap as you're going to get.

Settings
ISO 6400
F/5
1/500 Second exposure

I was working in full manual. Not sports preset, not auto, not shutter priority. The "M" setting on your camera. I was lucky to be at 1/500 of a second because the girl ran toward me. If she had been farther away I may have been at 400mm instead of 164mm and my lens would have automatically moved me to F6.3.

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Oct 6, 2014 10:58:40   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
jgreco wrote:
Recent trip to rodeo and used Canon T5i and not happy at all. Tried to go manual for all settings and unable to set ISO low and AV full open. Wound up going sports setting which gave me ISO auto 6400 and lots of grain. Pictures were partially blurry by feet of animals. My question is ; what camera will give you complete control of all settings for action shoots?
I found I could not set all controls I wanted in manual mode and that. Sucks. Why was sports setting giving me F 4.5 / Speed 350_500 w/ ISO 6400 and I could not duplicate this in manual? I also have a 50D. Will that do the same thing? I want total control of everything like the old film SLR
Recent trip to rodeo and used Canon T5i and not ha... (show quote)


jgreco,

Your problem is with the settings you placed on the camera. The camera was restricted by using one of the Preset modes on the Mode dial. Try setting the Mode to a Creative selection, like Aperture Priority (Av), then you can set the ISO to a higher value and the camera will set the shutter duration for the exposure.

If you want to shoot in total Manual mode you-must set the Mode dial to "M".

Michael G

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Oct 6, 2014 10:59:28   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Nightski wrote:
jgreco .. I do landscape photography, but I got a Sigma 150-500 F5-6.3 for wildlife and I thought I would have a go at the girls powder puff game to see what I could do with my new lens. This is my first try at sports photography. The lens was $750.00. I don't think you have to spend $2000, but $750 is about as cheap as you're going to get.

Settings
ISO 6400
F/5
1/500 Second exposure

I was working in full manual. Not sports preset, not auto, not shutter priority. The "M" setting on your camera. I was lucky to be at 1/500 of a second because the girl ran toward me. If she had been farther away I may have been at 400mm instead of 164mm and my lens would have automatically moved me to F6.3.
jgreco .. I do landscape photography, but I got a ... (show quote)


Nightski....was that tackle football? I don't see any flags on the girls' sides. If so, that one girl is gonna get her glasses busted.

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Oct 6, 2014 11:11:50   #
Nightski
 
SteveR wrote:
Nightski....was that tackle football? I don't see any flags on the girls' sides. If so, that one girl is gonna get her glasses busted.


No tackling with the girls .. and you should know better Steve .. you know in America there is absolutely no contact unless we have our kids bundled up good with plenty of padding. LOL Heck .. I'm surprised they don't have to wear helmets for dodgeball!

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Oct 6, 2014 11:15:06   #
Nightski
 
Armadillo wrote:
jgreco,


If you want to shoot in total Manual mode you-must set the Mode dial to "M".

Michael G


The M setting, jgreco. But shutter priority may work for you if you're shooting in the daylight. If you're shooting under crazy lighting like I was, M is the way to go. The newspaper photographer there told me so, and he does it for a living.

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Oct 6, 2014 11:37:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
jgreco wrote:
Recent trip to rodeo and used Canon T5i and not happy at all. Tried to go manual for all settings and unable to set ISO low and AV full open. Wound up going sports setting which gave me ISO auto 6400 and lots of grain. Pictures were partially blurry by feet of animals. My question is ; what camera will give you complete control of all settings for action shoots?
I found I could not set all controls I wanted in manual mode and that. Sucks. Why was sports setting giving me F 4.5 / Speed 350_500 w/ ISO 6400 and I could not duplicate this in manual? I also have a 50D. Will that do the same thing? I want total control of everything like the old film SLR
Recent trip to rodeo and used Canon T5i and not ha... (show quote)


One thing, I do not think you fully understand your camera/operating mode settings - I would review them very carefully by whatever means possible. To my way of thinking, for what you are trying to do, you should be at ISO 1600 ( with the speed of your lens) to even think about getting a decent shutter speed (500). - And, yes you will have noise at ISO 1600 with this camera. - unavoidable.

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Oct 6, 2014 11:58:31   #
Nightski
 
imagemeister wrote:
One thing, I do not think you fully understand your camera/operating mode settings - I would review them very carefully by whatever means possible. To my way of thinking, for what you are trying to do, you should be at ISO 1600 ( with the speed of your lens) to even think about getting a decent shutter speed (500). - And, yes you will have noise at ISO 1600 with this camera. - unavoidable.


It's a good point IM. The camera does matter .. not just the lens. A camera that handles noise well is so important in sports photography. That 7DII is looking better and better. :-)

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Oct 6, 2014 13:51:35   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
SteveR wrote:
amehta, I just checked the exif data on #1, and it was shot at iso of 800, not 6400.

Originally I had only downloaded the first two, and both were at ISO 6400 (using Action mode). Very odd that they all look like they are exposed about the same. Pic #1 does have exposure compensation at +2EV, so perhaps it is reporting ISO 800 but actually used ISO 3200? Does the T5i have a "cya shift mode" where it will increase the ISO even if it is set manually if needed to make the exposure work?

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