need professional advise
Oct 5, 2014 07:30:26 #
Recent trip to rodeo and used Canon T5i and not happy at all. Tried to go manual for all settings and unable to set ISO low and AV full open. Wound up going sports setting which gave me ISO auto 6400 and lots of grain. Pictures were partially blurry by feet of animals. My question is ; what camera will give you complete control of all settings for action shoots?
I found I could not set all controls I wanted in manual mode and that. Sucks. Why was sports setting giving me F 4.5 / Speed 350_500 w/ ISO 6400 and I could not duplicate this in manual? I also have a 50D. Will that do the same thing? I want total control of everything like the old film SLR
I found I could not set all controls I wanted in manual mode and that. Sucks. Why was sports setting giving me F 4.5 / Speed 350_500 w/ ISO 6400 and I could not duplicate this in manual? I also have a 50D. Will that do the same thing? I want total control of everything like the old film SLR
Oct 5, 2014 07:41:51 #
jgreco wrote:
Recent trip to rodeo and used Canon T5i and not ha... (show quote)
Post some pictures so the experts can comment. Clicking "store original" will help.
Oct 5, 2014 07:51:42 #
As requested. Out of 200 pictures these were acceptable but still suck. When exploded view, very grainy. ISO issue?
Oct 5, 2014 08:07:36 #
Your statement makes no sense. When you are in M (manual) mode you have complete control over the ISO, aperture and shutter speeds within the limits of the equipment.
Oct 5, 2014 08:16:15 #
Aside from the low light problems of motion blur and grain, you did a pretty good job with these. I think you are being overly harsh on yourself.
I am not familiar with the 50D but have the 60D which is the Rebel on steroids and the line extension of the 50D. I did not look at your metadata but I suspect you used a kit lens for these. I do not know if you shot raw's or how much you cropped. The solution is not a new body even though that will help by having higher ISO's and less noise. I had the same problems with basketball inside. I bought a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 and that went a long way to solving the problems. This is a popular sports lens because of that zoom and lens speed. Faster lenses are almost all fixed focal lengths, aka primes. The price you pay is missing shots that are too close or too far. I do not know the venue in which you shot but something shorter than the 70-200 may not have the reach. The Sigma is very sharp and for most purposes, as sharp as the Canon. The Tamron may be even sharper. Consult a recent thread here.
As for the noise, you can tame that a bit in LR/PS/PSE, Nik's dFine or a number of other programs. They also tend to decrease the sharpness. PS's camera blur filter can help a bit there. No free lunch in photography.
The focus looks good given how you shot them. I can only recommend using center-spot autofocus. Forget about the sports and manual modes. I set the lens to f/2.8, ISO as high as I need to be at least 1/300. I am willing to lose accurate focusing to get stop-action shots. You have plenty of opportunities here. Set to AI-servo focusing, high-speed continuous shooting and blast away. Oh, and try to use the fastest memory cards you have. Create a new folder and use that for the session. If not using something like an Expodisc, stick to auto white balance. I suspect you are not familiar enough with manual and buy into all that garbage about how much better manual is than autoexposure. But that is a battle for another day.
You can also go to a tripod or monopod if you can put up with the inconvenience.
Keep shooting and posting.
I am not familiar with the 50D but have the 60D which is the Rebel on steroids and the line extension of the 50D. I did not look at your metadata but I suspect you used a kit lens for these. I do not know if you shot raw's or how much you cropped. The solution is not a new body even though that will help by having higher ISO's and less noise. I had the same problems with basketball inside. I bought a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 and that went a long way to solving the problems. This is a popular sports lens because of that zoom and lens speed. Faster lenses are almost all fixed focal lengths, aka primes. The price you pay is missing shots that are too close or too far. I do not know the venue in which you shot but something shorter than the 70-200 may not have the reach. The Sigma is very sharp and for most purposes, as sharp as the Canon. The Tamron may be even sharper. Consult a recent thread here.
As for the noise, you can tame that a bit in LR/PS/PSE, Nik's dFine or a number of other programs. They also tend to decrease the sharpness. PS's camera blur filter can help a bit there. No free lunch in photography.
The focus looks good given how you shot them. I can only recommend using center-spot autofocus. Forget about the sports and manual modes. I set the lens to f/2.8, ISO as high as I need to be at least 1/300. I am willing to lose accurate focusing to get stop-action shots. You have plenty of opportunities here. Set to AI-servo focusing, high-speed continuous shooting and blast away. Oh, and try to use the fastest memory cards you have. Create a new folder and use that for the session. If not using something like an Expodisc, stick to auto white balance. I suspect you are not familiar enough with manual and buy into all that garbage about how much better manual is than autoexposure. But that is a battle for another day.
You can also go to a tripod or monopod if you can put up with the inconvenience.
Keep shooting and posting.
Oct 5, 2014 08:23:01 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
First one.
You weren't in manual.
You were in shutter priority.
You weren't at ISO 6400.
You were at 800
You were at 154mm.
Your lens won't go to wide open at the longer focal lengths.
That is why it is described as a f/4-5.6.
F/4 at the wide end and f/5.6 at the long end.
Next two shots in action mode.
Here are some instructions of how to use your camera in manual mode.
http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2129763&seqNum=7
Includes instruction of how to change the ISO.
You weren't in manual.
You were in shutter priority.
You weren't at ISO 6400.
You were at 800
You were at 154mm.
Your lens won't go to wide open at the longer focal lengths.
That is why it is described as a f/4-5.6.
F/4 at the wide end and f/5.6 at the long end.
Next two shots in action mode.
Here are some instructions of how to use your camera in manual mode.
http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2129763&seqNum=7
Includes instruction of how to change the ISO.
Oct 5, 2014 08:55:35 #
Yes it is a kit lens 75_250. Is that why prime lenses are better for sports? They cost sooooo much. More than a camera for L series. In March, going to shoot Gator nationals in Gainesville Fl. What lens should I use on Canon 50 D & T5i ? I would like crisp sharp pictures. Don't want to make same mistake twice. And yes the ISO was all over the place but when I set it to max 400 pictures were underexposed.
Oct 5, 2014 08:57:39 #
I would add, I think it is time to get the manual out again and maybe a few books that are written for your camera. And then sit and read while playing with your camera. I just got the Nikon D600 and did this for about a week before taking the camera outside.:)
Erv
OH, I still don't have a clue about what all the darn thing can do.:)
Erv
OH, I still don't have a clue about what all the darn thing can do.:)
Oct 5, 2014 09:08:17 #
I YouTube the info and found it a lot faster. I am knowledgeable how to use in manual, but unable to set it the same as presets like sports and such. Just wanted to know why that is? Limited lighting in arena caused pics to be dark when duplicated in manual but almost fine in presets?
Seems not all control can be done in manual as the camera says unable to use this function in preset mode?
Seems not all control can be done in manual as the camera says unable to use this function in preset mode?
Oct 5, 2014 09:18:30 #
Oct 5, 2014 09:21:28 #
That sounds like you have something set that will not let you go use manual and it's settings. Does your camera give you away to go back to factory reset.?
Erv
Erv
Oct 5, 2014 09:21:43 #
jgreco, I also shoot shots like this in manual: f/2.8, something like 1/400 and auto ISO. The problem is that you will get underexposed shots. However, when it works, it works well. If you shoot raw, then you have some hope of recovering them later.
Oct 5, 2014 09:31:05 #
jgreco wrote:
That's a 1000.00 lens ( sigma 70-200) holly crap. More than the camera!
Bite the bullet and you will stop complaining. Look for used. The bodies are not the problem. If you think they are, then you will really scream when you see how much a new body is. The 70D is not good enough for what you want to do. You will need something like a 6D.
Professionals usually have lenses that cost more than the body. Then, add a second or third body, a few high quality lenses, top of the line strobes.... Well, you get the point.
Oct 5, 2014 09:34:00 #
I know Nikons ISO will stay on auto even if you go to M unlwss you shut it off. I would spend some time prcicing in low light. Just a hint - practice while watching TV. The light is low. You do need to get a faster lens. - Dave
Oct 5, 2014 09:37:14 #
RWR
Loc: La Mesa, CA
jgreco wrote:
I YouTube the info and found it a lot faster. I am knowledgeable how to use in manual, but unable to set it the same as presets like sports and such. Just wanted to know why that is? Limited lighting in arena caused pics to be dark when duplicated in manual but almost fine in presets?
Seems not all control can be done in manual as the camera says unable to use this function in manual mode?
Seems not all control can be done in manual as the camera says unable to use this function in manual mode?
The inability to adjust the camera manually to the same settings an auto mode would select is only due to a malfunction, equipment or operator.
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