Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

No, you ask questions in attempt to divert from answering the questions, this is not the first time you have done this this is habitual with you. The question and statement is clear it could not be more clear than what was stated and how it was stated. Neither you James or silver will answer or address my post a comment.

Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.

Okay, ask a question that's not based on your own suppositions.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Did I just catch you in a lie? First you said you refuted everything I said, then you go on to say into the next post that you're just trying to understand what I say and that's why you ask questions. So how can you refute everything I say if you could not understand everything I said?

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

How about you ask questions not based on your own supposition? Silly question or silly statement don't you think?

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

Intelligent design, creation, and your god, have never been observed, tested nor repeated. Therefore they are not based on scientific evidence. They are based purely on over active imaginations.

Nobody can refute this truth. Their only response is to ridicule and to apply their empty objections..........

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

You are correct in saying God Himself cannot be tested, observed or repeated, but His works can be observed. Intelligent design however can be observed by inferring to what is being observed today. We do know that ONLY Intelligence can create specified complexities TODAY and in the past. We also know that non intelligence has NEVER created anything of a specified complex design. Intelligence begets intelligence and non intelligence begets nothing. Darwinian style natural selection cannot be observed, tested or repeated.....it can't even be inferred to what is being observed today. Darwinian style natural selection has ZERO scientific observational of inference support.....none.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

You are wrong, wrong, wrong. His works cannot be observed. You might believe that what you see is the result of your god's efforts, but you have no proof, scientific or otherwise.

If you insist that you know "god did it", then he is responsible for the evil, pain, and suffering in the world. I don't hold him responsible..........hell, he doesn't exist.............

No it cannot..........what is being observed today, is not identified as ID in the legitimate science community.

I ask once again.....what is specified complexity.....???(the phrase did not exist before Dembski created it). And we know that Dembski's math has been proven false.....

Your first sentence is meaningless. Your second sentence is just plain wrong..................Have a nice day......

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Nope. you are wrong on all accounts...you proved nothing and disproved nothing I commented on. You are reacting by emotions not by logic. You are wrong, wrong , wrong and wrong again. Yes, have a nice day! :)

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

You can not refute any of this....>>>> Natural selection has nothing to do with Darwinian type of evolution, I think Darwinists do not understand natural selection and it's limitations. Natural selection can only operate on what already exists, it does not have the ability to generate new genetic information to create new body plans or body parts, that's not what natural selection does. Natural selection only has the ability to increase the efficiency of an already existing body structure or eliminate that function, it can not create anything. Natural selection does not have foresight into the future to know how to build anything new genetically. In order to build something new, you need to devise a plan for future construction..that takes an intelligent mind, Natural selection can not see into the future to know how to build complex organisms and structures. Darwinism type natural selection has never been observed, tested nor repeated, therefore it is not based on scientific evidence, it's based purely on over active imaginations.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Rac wrote:
Intelligent design however can be observed by inferring to what is being observed today.
Eddie- No it cannot..........what is being observed today, is not identified as ID in the legitimate science community.
Rac- WRONG again... we CAN observe intelligence creating specified complexities every single day.....ONLY intelligence can create these complexities......you NEVER see non intelligence create any complexities....ever....does not happen. Life begets life ONLY, and non life begets nothing. Your hypothesis of Darwinism has no scientific support at all....it's dead....done....finished.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

The concept of natural selection was the basis of Darwinism. This assertion is stressed even in the title of the book in which Darwin proposed his theory: The Origin of Species, by means of Natural Selection…

Natural selection is based on the assumption that in nature there is a constant struggle for survival. It favors organisms with traits that best enable them to cope with pressures exerted by the environment. At the end of this struggle, the strongest ones, the ones most suited to natural conditions, survive. For example, in a herd of deer under threat from predators, those individuals that can run fastest will naturally survive. As a consequence, the herd of deer will eventually consist of only fast-running individuals.

However, no matter how long this process goes on, it will not transform those deer into another species. The weak deer are eliminated, the strong survive, but, since no alteration in their genetic data takes place, no transformation of a species occurs. Despite the continuous processes of selection, deer continue to exist as deer.

The deer example is true for all species. In any population, natural selection only eliminates those weak, or unsuited individuals who are unable to adapt to the natural conditions in their habitat. It does not produce new species, new genetic information, or new organs. That is, it cannot cause anything to evolve. Darwin, too, accepted this fact, stating that "Natural selection can do nothing until favorable individual differences or variations occur." That is why neo-Darwinism had to add the mutation mechanism as a factor altering genetic information to the concept of natural selection.

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/mechanisms01.html

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Definition of Intelligent Design
What is intelligent design?
Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Through the study and analysis of a system's components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion approximately 530 million years ago.

Is intelligent design a scientific theory?
YES!. The scientific method is commonly described as a four-step process involving observations, hypothesis, experiments, and conclusion. Intelligent design begins with the observation that intelligent agents produce complex and specified information (CSI). Design theorists hypothesize that if a natural object was designed, it will contain high levels of CSI. Scientists then perform experimental tests upon natural objects to determine if they contain complex and specified information. One easily testable form of CSI is irreducible complexity, which can be discovered by experimentally reverse-engineering biological structures to see if they require all of their parts to function. When ID researchers find irreducible complexity in biology, they conclude that such structures were designed.

http://www.intelligentdesign.org/whatisid.php

So YES! Intelligent Design is based on science and is Observable and testable.

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

OH who cares. You are just full of bullshit. http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/05/08/intelligent-design-not-very-intelligent/

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Rac is so full of shit. http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/05/08/intelligent-design-not-very-intelligent/

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHNA you are so full of shit. http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/05/08/intelligent-design-not-very-intelligent/