Should I get paid for this?
Jan 27, 2012 20:38:09 #
Here's the facts (sorry its a little lengthy).
1. I am an amateur photog. Have done a few weddings for nieces to cut them a break, but never charged them.
2. Now retired, I have thought of making my photography a sideline business on a limited scale to make a few bucks.
3. I am a member of a small Golf club, and have taken a number of very nice pictures of some of the more picturesque area of the course. I have given some of these as gifts to other members.
Now, the issue...
The Club's management called me and said a local, prominent real estate Broker called them and asked for a few nice pictures of the club, that he could use in marketing golf course homes. The payoff for the Club is that the Broker would encourage them to join the club (and pay dues, etc.)
The thing is, the Club doesn't have any nice pictures, but they know that I do, and have asked me to send some pictures to them, that they can forward to the Broker (who is also a member of the Club by the way, although I don't know them personally).
I was a little flattered, but then got to thinking that everybody but me stands to get a little moolah out of that arrangement!
So, the question is.....
Do I just give these pictures away to a millionaire real estate broker because the Club asked me to? I never asked permission to take the pictures of the Golf Course, so do I have the right to charge a 3rd party (Broker), for the images?
Thoughts, Opinions?
A whole new question would be, if so.....how much $?
Thanks team!
1. I am an amateur photog. Have done a few weddings for nieces to cut them a break, but never charged them.
2. Now retired, I have thought of making my photography a sideline business on a limited scale to make a few bucks.
3. I am a member of a small Golf club, and have taken a number of very nice pictures of some of the more picturesque area of the course. I have given some of these as gifts to other members.
Now, the issue...
The Club's management called me and said a local, prominent real estate Broker called them and asked for a few nice pictures of the club, that he could use in marketing golf course homes. The payoff for the Club is that the Broker would encourage them to join the club (and pay dues, etc.)
The thing is, the Club doesn't have any nice pictures, but they know that I do, and have asked me to send some pictures to them, that they can forward to the Broker (who is also a member of the Club by the way, although I don't know them personally).
I was a little flattered, but then got to thinking that everybody but me stands to get a little moolah out of that arrangement!
So, the question is.....
Do I just give these pictures away to a millionaire real estate broker because the Club asked me to? I never asked permission to take the pictures of the Golf Course, so do I have the right to charge a 3rd party (Broker), for the images?
Thoughts, Opinions?
A whole new question would be, if so.....how much $?
Thanks team!
Example pic of the course
Jan 27, 2012 20:42:46 #
Jan 27, 2012 20:51:46 #
Agreed. You should be compensated. Talk to them about it and also include the real estate agent. The better the pictures the better his/her chances for a sale.
Sarge
Sarge
Jan 27, 2012 20:52:09 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Absolutely! or give you a BIG break on membership.
OR give you a membership free....it will cost them a few bucks to get someone else to do it....for sure...nice picture by the way.
Jan 27, 2012 20:52:12 #
Jan 27, 2012 20:52:39 #
Jan 27, 2012 21:00:33 #
Jan 27, 2012 21:13:01 #
Jan 27, 2012 21:15:43 #
Charge them for it.
9 or 10 decent pictures is worth at least a couple hundred bucks considering they will use them to make money. CaptainC would probably be the best person to suggest a price tag.
9 or 10 decent pictures is worth at least a couple hundred bucks considering they will use them to make money. CaptainC would probably be the best person to suggest a price tag.
Jan 27, 2012 21:16:18 #
Photos = Free Membership.
This costs them nothing, but you may have to not tell anybody else in the club about the deal.
Eric
This costs them nothing, but you may have to not tell anybody else in the club about the deal.
Eric
Jan 27, 2012 21:28:16 #
Put a watermark om photos that you are going to show as demo, so images cannot be used without your permission.
You can provide print-quality images, once an agreement is reached. Membership sounds like a good compromise.
Your example photo has a bald sky. A little PS could merge a blue sky with clouds.
This situation could lead to more commissions.
You can provide print-quality images, once an agreement is reached. Membership sounds like a good compromise.
Your example photo has a bald sky. A little PS could merge a blue sky with clouds.
This situation could lead to more commissions.
Jan 27, 2012 22:37:07 #
Nikonian72 wrote:
Put a watermark om photos that you are going to show as demo, so images cannot be used without your permission.
You can provide print-quality images, once an agreement is reached. Membership sounds like a good compromise.
Your example photo has a bald sky. A little PS could merge a blue sky with clouds.
This situation could lead to more commissions.
You can provide print-quality images, once an agreement is reached. Membership sounds like a good compromise.
Your example photo has a bald sky. A little PS could merge a blue sky with clouds.
This situation could lead to more commissions.
All great points and very helpful Nikonian. I am going to follow your advice
Jan 27, 2012 22:37:59 #
RocketScientist wrote:
Charge them for it.
9 or 10 decent pictures is worth at least a couple hundred bucks considering they will use them to make money. CaptainC would probably be the best person to suggest a price tag.
9 or 10 decent pictures is worth at least a couple hundred bucks considering they will use them to make money. CaptainC would probably be the best person to suggest a price tag.
That number feels about right to me too.
Jan 27, 2012 23:52:07 #
Well. I am flattered RocketScientist think I am the one to suggest a price!
One of your BIG problems is you are known for giving away pictures. you have not acted as a professional in the past and you are not seen as such. Now before someone get their panties in twist, I just mean you have been seen as a hobbyist and there is nothing wrong with that. It's like the baseball team dad that takes images of all the games and has given away photos and suddenly wants to get paid - does not work too well.
If it were me, and I already has the images, I would charge at LEAST $700.00. A good golf course photographer (yes there are those who specialize in that) would be several thousands. Of course (ooops - a little pun there) the work they do is spectacular.
If I had to go shoot the images, I would be quite a bit more.
check these:
http://www.stonehousegolf.com/
http://www.robperry.com/layout9.asp?id=416&page=11743
http://www.golfcoursephotography.com/home.asp
You should consider licensing the images - not selling them. You license them for a specific use and / or limited time. You could say the images are to be used in XXX brochure for 25,000 copies and that the license expires on January 1, 2013. That way they can use them for a specific purpose but not forever. After January 2013, they need to come to you for a renewal if they want another print run .
Same goes for internet use - set a specific time and be sure they get image no larger than about 700 pixels on the long side.
One of your BIG problems is you are known for giving away pictures. you have not acted as a professional in the past and you are not seen as such. Now before someone get their panties in twist, I just mean you have been seen as a hobbyist and there is nothing wrong with that. It's like the baseball team dad that takes images of all the games and has given away photos and suddenly wants to get paid - does not work too well.
If it were me, and I already has the images, I would charge at LEAST $700.00. A good golf course photographer (yes there are those who specialize in that) would be several thousands. Of course (ooops - a little pun there) the work they do is spectacular.
If I had to go shoot the images, I would be quite a bit more.
check these:
http://www.stonehousegolf.com/
http://www.robperry.com/layout9.asp?id=416&page=11743
http://www.golfcoursephotography.com/home.asp
You should consider licensing the images - not selling them. You license them for a specific use and / or limited time. You could say the images are to be used in XXX brochure for 25,000 copies and that the license expires on January 1, 2013. That way they can use them for a specific purpose but not forever. After January 2013, they need to come to you for a renewal if they want another print run .
Same goes for internet use - set a specific time and be sure they get image no larger than about 700 pixels on the long side.
Jan 28, 2012 01:39:44 #
CaptainC wrote:
Well. I am flattered RocketScientist think I am th... (show quote)
Thank you CaptainC. Clearly, I have come to the right place to get my question answered, as you guys obviously know what you are talking about.
You correctly state Capt, that I am not a pro nor have I ever held myself out to be one with my friends to whom I give prints.
The situation at hand does differ in that a business person has initiated the contact and clearly stated they want to use the photos for business purposes. If the Broker is honest and professional, I can't see where he would blink twice in paying a fee.
I had not thought of licensing the images, but it sounds like that might be the way to go. I am going to research that process. And thank you for taking the time to post the links. Those really are some spectacular shots of courses, and gives me some ideas and incentives.
Your feedback and suggestion is most appreciated.
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