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Feb 18, 2012 00:40:01   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
What a cooincidence. I have 2 computers and I'm OLD, but I could easily do that. It really wouldn't matter if they were the same person, they still were attacking someone.

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Feb 18, 2012 01:11:03   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Sigh...

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Mar 17, 2012 00:57:30   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
sinatraman wrote:
yes we did. do not agree with them leaving, would like to see a public apology from jackinthebox. His intentions were good in that he did bring up a difficult subject. the sheer number of registered sex offenders out there is staggering. as a former cop, i despise those who prey on the weak. In the good old days, child molesters would get shot and killed "resisting arrest". However, jib's aproach and insinuation that ian was a perv was totaly offbase. if you are going to be effective as a voice for the innocent then jib you need to tone down the emotioional vitriol, and make damm shure you don't even accidentaly imply anything horrible to an innocent party. That's a tort called libel and has serious civil consequences. on top of that instead of teaching about predators to an open minded audience, you generated a severe emotional backlash against you and made it impossibile to be effective in educating anyone about predators. On top of that you managed to drive off 2 of the few friends i have left on this site, and negatively impacted my life. I expect you to do the honorable thing and apoligize to the hog, but im not holdin my breath.
yes we did. do not agree with them leaving, would ... (show quote)


Sinatraman, thank you for clarifying a few things. So you used to shoot them? What else is hidden behind you bible?

There is a good reason why you, as you claim, have only 2 friends. You seem to be in your dotage. So when one kisses your ass you think he is your friend?

Serious now, you state in one paragraph and in your own words --. -------“His intentions were good in that he did bring up a difficult subject. The sheer number of registered sex offenders out there is staggering. as a former cop, I despise those who prey on the weak. In the good old days, child molesters would get shot and killed "resisting arrest" -------

Wow, that is my kind of language. Don’t spoil it with the rest of your assumptions.

--and on you go ---“and make damn sure you don't even accidentally imply anything horrible to an innocent party” -----
Impossible. How would I, or you, know if he is innocent? I treat everyone equal, if you look like a mallstaker you could well be one or you can take all doubt away and leave your camera in the bag. Unless you have a camera shop in the mall.
Sinatraman, leave adults alone in an adult forum. The standard is pretty good but you are far from holy.
Now as far as tort laws, reporting or threatening to falsely bring someone to the attention of the TSA by claiming they are a terrorist is terroristic threatening and it is a felony punishable by 5+ years in prison. Don’t make yourself part of it. This is what Baldy will face if he gives me anymore shit.
SM, how could I drive your friends of? Baldy, huffs and puffs and threatens to leave and kisses ass but he will never leave.
Apologize? You want me to appoligize to the 30 people who in PM, according to Baldy, want me castrated? I do not think so. Really, 30 of you wanted in PM to Baldy have me castrated. What kind of people are you? Does that include the lady on the tall horse? I have copies of everything posted in PM by me and to me and vulgarity was not used by me.

I am trying to educate a few of the other 15578 members about photography etiquette in the mall and public parks. They may or may not know that deviants are stalking in Malls and parks and Baldy claims that 30 members want me castrated. Not very lady like. Could he be lying?

SM, you started of right in that my intentions were good in bringing up u difficult subject and it is very difficult, but not impossible, to be effective in educating anyone about predators.
Perhaps we could be a team. I identify and you arrest. Ooops, they are better of with me and a stern warning v/s you doing what you used to do.
"The lady [baldy] doth protest too much, methinks." comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II. The phrase has come to mean that one can "insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying.
Oh yes, Baldy did bestow an incredible but undeserved honor on me by claiming and insisting that I am simultaneously someone else. I did learn a lot from HIM but I am not HIM.
I am starting to enjoy this we are in the next phase of this difficult educational section.
Start your research with finding how many registered sex offenders are in your state and in your town and how many are involved in photography. Please keep it photography related and look at the averages.

Now a multiple choice question. The best way to keep this board clean is:

A. attack the person that brings up the subject of tacky snapshots in shopping malls.
B. Get as vulgar as possible but hide it in PM.
C. Be open and honest.
D. Stick your head in the sand?

Don't bother to PM me.

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Mar 17, 2012 01:32:50   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
Jackinthebox wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
yes we did. do not agree with them leaving, would like to see a public apology from jackinthebox. His intentions were good in that he did bring up a difficult subject. the sheer number of registered sex offenders out there is staggering. as a former cop, i despise those who prey on the weak. In the good old days, child molesters would get shot and killed "resisting arrest". However, jib's aproach and insinuation that ian was a perv was totaly offbase. if you are going to be effective as a voice for the innocent then jib you need to tone down the emotioional vitriol, and make damm shure you don't even accidentaly imply anything horrible to an innocent party. That's a tort called libel and has serious civil consequences. on top of that instead of teaching about predators to an open minded audience, you generated a severe emotional backlash against you and made it impossibile to be effective in educating anyone about predators. On top of that you managed to drive off 2 of the few friends i have left on this site, and negatively impacted my life. I expect you to do the honorable thing and apoligize to the hog, but im not holdin my breath.
yes we did. do not agree with them leaving, would ... (show quote)


Sinatraman, thank you for clarifying a few things. So you used to shoot them? What else is hidden behind you bible?

There is a good reason why you, as you claim, have only 2 friends. You seem to be in your dotage. So when one kisses your ass you think he is your friend?

Serious now, you state in one paragraph and in your own words --. -------“His intentions were good in that he did bring up a difficult subject. The sheer number of registered sex offenders out there is staggering. as a former cop, I despise those who prey on the weak. In the good old days, child molesters would get shot and killed "resisting arrest" -------

Wow, that is my kind of language. Don’t spoil it with the rest of your assumptions.

--and on you go ---“and make damn sure you don't even accidentally imply anything horrible to an innocent party” -----
Impossible. How would I, or you, know if he is innocent? I treat everyone equal, if you look like a mallstaker you could well be one or you can take all doubt away and leave your camera in the bag. Unless you have a camera shop in the mall.
Sinatraman, leave adults alone in an adult forum. The standard is pretty good but you are far from holy.
Now as far as tort laws, reporting or threatening to falsely bring someone to the attention of the TSA by claiming they are a terrorist is terroristic threatening and it is a felony punishable by 5+ years in prison. Don’t make yourself part of it. This is what Baldy will face if he gives me anymore shit.
SM, how could I drive your friends of? Baldy, huffs and puffs and threatens to leave and kisses ass but he will never leave.
Apologize? You want me to appoligize to the 30 people who in PM, according to Baldy, want me castrated? I do not think so. Really, 30 of you wanted in PM to Baldy have me castrated. What kind of people are you? Does that include the lady on the tall horse? I have copies of everything posted in PM by me and to me and vulgarity was not used by me.

I am trying to educate a few of the other 15578 members about photography etiquette in the mall and public parks. They may or may not know that deviants are stalking in Malls and parks and Baldy claims that 30 members want me castrated. Not very lady like. Could he be lying?

SM, you started of right in that my intentions were good in bringing up u difficult subject and it is very difficult, but not impossible, to be effective in educating anyone about predators.
Perhaps we could be a team. I identify and you arrest. Ooops, they are better of with me and a stern warning v/s you doing what you used to do.
"The lady [baldy] doth protest too much, methinks." comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II. The phrase has come to mean that one can "insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying.
Oh yes, Baldy did bestow an incredible but undeserved honor on me by claiming and insisting that I am simultaneously someone else. I did learn a lot from HIM but I am not HIM.
I am starting to enjoy this we are in the next phase of this difficult educational section.
Start your research with finding how many registered sex offenders are in your state and in your town and how many are involved in photography. Please keep it photography related and look at the averages.

Now a multiple choice question. The best way to keep this board clean is:

A. attack the person that brings up the subject of tacky snapshots in shopping malls.
B. Get as vulgar as possible but hide it in PM.
C. Be open and honest.
D. Stick your head in the sand?

Don't bother to PM me.
quote=sinatraman yes we did. do not agree with th... (show quote)



why is it folks with your attitude, outlook ASSUME anyone taking a photograph of a child has ill intent?

That on its own says more about you than anyone.
You might first learn and understand the circumstances and facts before you spew your inane opinions.
Seek help

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Mar 17, 2012 01:46:37   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Actually, I discussed this thread with the admin...

I raised a question of legality. When a parent says 'ok. you can take picture of my child'. No problem there BUT... Would they say OK if they had known that the pictures were to be published on the WEB then soiled as they have been?

The answer was: I have good lawyers, the OP is sole responsible for his/her post.

That was the end of it, for me.

Being accuse of being jackinthebox? I addressed that too with the admin.
- What do you want to me to do?
- Post a clarification
- And if some do not believe it?
- So be it.

The admin was right. So who cares? Stupidity at all levels is being displayed here and continues to be displayed.

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Mar 17, 2012 01:51:06   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
never give me a keyboard when i have insomnia

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Mar 17, 2012 01:57:46   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
never give me a keyboard when i have insomnia
Well, on that. I was reading an article about it...

It seems that it is only recently that we 'demand' a full night sleep. A century ago sleep was interrupted during the night and folks were doing chores, visiting other folks in the middle of night before going for the 'other half' of their sleep.

Maybe if you adotp this patern, you feel better and more rested instead of getting stressed over a few winks lost?

I test it by the way. When I wake up in the middle of the night I get out of bed, read or do other things until the need for sleep comes again. No stress. It works.

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Mar 17, 2012 01:59:05   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
Jackinthebox wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
yes we did. do not agree with them leaving, would like to see a public apology from jackinthebox. His intentions were good in that he did bring up a difficult subject. the sheer number of registered sex offenders out there is staggering. as a former cop, i despise those who prey on the weak. In the good old days, child molesters would get shot and killed "resisting arrest". However, jib's aproach and insinuation that ian was a perv was totaly offbase. if you are going to be effective as a voice for the innocent then jib you need to tone down the emotioional vitriol, and make damm shure you don't even accidentaly imply anything horrible to an innocent party. That's a tort called libel and has serious civil consequences. on top of that instead of teaching about predators to an open minded audience, you generated a severe emotional backlash against you and made it impossibile to be effective in educating anyone about predators. On top of that you managed to drive off 2 of the few friends i have left on this site, and negatively impacted my life. I expect you to do the honorable thing and apoligize to the hog, but im not holdin my breath.
yes we did. do not agree with them leaving, would ... (show quote)


Sinatraman, thank you for clarifying a few things. So you used to shoot them? What else is hidden behind you bible?

There is a good reason why you, as you claim, have only 2 friends. You seem to be in your dotage. So when one kisses your ass you think he is your friend?

Serious now, you state in one paragraph and in your own words --. -------“His intentions were good in that he did bring up a difficult subject. The sheer number of registered sex offenders out there is staggering. as a former cop, I despise those who prey on the weak. In the good old days, child molesters would get shot and killed "resisting arrest" -------

Wow, that is my kind of language. Don’t spoil it with the rest of your assumptions.

--and on you go ---“and make damn sure you don't even accidentally imply anything horrible to an innocent party” -----
Impossible. How would I, or you, know if he is innocent? I treat everyone equal, if you look like a mallstaker you could well be one or you can take all doubt away and leave your camera in the bag. Unless you have a camera shop in the mall.
Sinatraman, leave adults alone in an adult forum. The standard is pretty good but you are far from holy.
Now as far as tort laws, reporting or threatening to falsely bring someone to the attention of the TSA by claiming they are a terrorist is terroristic threatening and it is a felony punishable by 5+ years in prison. Don’t make yourself part of it. This is what Baldy will face if he gives me anymore shit.
SM, how could I drive your friends of? Baldy, huffs and puffs and threatens to leave and kisses ass but he will never leave.
Apologize? You want me to appoligize to the 30 people who in PM, according to Baldy, want me castrated? I do not think so. Really, 30 of you wanted in PM to Baldy have me castrated. What kind of people are you? Does that include the lady on the tall horse? I have copies of everything posted in PM by me and to me and vulgarity was not used by me.

I am trying to educate a few of the other 15578 members about photography etiquette in the mall and public parks. They may or may not know that deviants are stalking in Malls and parks and Baldy claims that 30 members want me castrated. Not very lady like. Could he be lying?

SM, you started of right in that my intentions were good in bringing up u difficult subject and it is very difficult, but not impossible, to be effective in educating anyone about predators.
Perhaps we could be a team. I identify and you arrest. Ooops, they are better of with me and a stern warning v/s you doing what you used to do.
"The lady [baldy] doth protest too much, methinks." comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II. The phrase has come to mean that one can "insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying.
Oh yes, Baldy did bestow an incredible but undeserved honor on me by claiming and insisting that I am simultaneously someone else. I did learn a lot from HIM but I am not HIM.
I am starting to enjoy this we are in the next phase of this difficult educational section.
Start your research with finding how many registered sex offenders are in your state and in your town and how many are involved in photography. Please keep it photography related and look at the averages.

Now a multiple choice question. The best way to keep this board clean is:

A. attack the person that brings up the subject of tacky snapshots in shopping malls.
B. Get as vulgar as possible but hide it in PM.
C. Be open and honest.
D. Stick your head in the sand?

Don't bother to PM me.
quote=sinatraman yes we did. do not agree with th... (show quote)



why is it folks with your attitude, outlook ASSUME anyone taking a photograph of a child has ill intent?

That on its own says more about you than anyone.
You might first learn and understand the circumstances and facts before you spew your inane opinions.
Seek help
quote=Jackinthebox quote=sinatraman yes we did. ... (show quote)



I do not assume that at all. The circumstances are clear. A mall is not public property. Getting a so -called ok is phony and invalid. Professional Photographers know this. People expect some form of privacy when taking the kid(s) to the mall. According a former correctional officer and a poster here the perverts are in the malls and public parks. 30000 are registered in Florida alone. Some, use a camera as a stalking tool. 15000+ on this forum do not stalk young kids in malls. They know better. 30 are bad apples that need cleaning up, ackording to Baldy.

Do I believe him? NO, but he put in in a PM to me.

I had the below re-printed PM from Baldy, the mallstalker and he got vulgar and needs to learn that terroristic threatening is illegal and when done on the internet it is also plain stupid.
Why do you defend mallstalkers? Why sneak pictures of young girls in Malls?
Do some research and find out what the world is like before you jump down my throat.
Are you one of the 30 demanding or agreeing that I should be catrated?
You did not answer my multiple choice question!


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This was the PM I got from Baldy. You like this?
From: ianhargraves1066 (all from/all to)
Subject: Re: Whats Up
No I objecr to arseholes like you who should be locked up in mental institutions. Ugly management have been asked to get your compters URL and you will be getting served with papers to take your arse to court. From the 30 PM's I have got all were in favor of having you castrated and reyturned to whatever Correctional Institute that released you.

You will also be reported to the FBI for the threats you made and if I have my way prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Post your avatar photograph so the INS, FBI and any other law enforcement I can convince can run it thought their face recognition systems and track you down .
[/i]

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Mar 17, 2012 02:02:52   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Jackinthebox Can you please stop this crap?

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Mar 17, 2012 02:11:14   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
In my opinion, this is just someone who is obsessed with shredding a couple of good people. They lie low for a while and then when the objects of their anger show back up, they crawl out from under a rock and start again. They either desperately need attention or they are soooo jealous of these 2 people. Whichever the case, I beg everyone to just IGNORE this Jackinthebox. Anyone this mean doesn't deserve this much attention. It's not only childish but really pitiful.

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Mar 17, 2012 02:25:19   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Horseart wrote:
In my opinion, this is just someone who is obsessed with shredding a couple of good people. They lie low for a while and then when the objects of their anger show back up, they crawl out from under a rock and start again. They either desperately need attention or they are soooo jealous of these 2 people. Whichever the case, I beg everyone to just IGNORE this Jackinthebox. Anyone this mean doesn't deserve this much attention.




Speak for yourself lady but tell me are you one of the 30?
Someone asked me to let it lie some time ago and I did. I sat back and did not answer. Balldy would not leave it alone and finally I have had enough of your crap. Is this your level? Is this what you approved of?


Is anyone ever going to admit that snap shots in Malls are illegal and there is no such thing as a phony OK? And posting the pictures on the internet with a commend like I GIVE ANYTHING TO HAVE HER FOR A FEW HOURS- is tacky?
Shame on you.

While you are reaching for the sky to try to boycott me please dont fall of your horse.


Below is the PM I got from Baldy. You like this?




From: ianhargraves1066 (all from/all to)
Subject: Re: Whats Up
No I objecr to arseholes like you who should be locked up in mental institutions. Ugly management have been asked to get your compters URL and you will be getting served with papers to take your arse to court. From the 30 PM's I have got all were in favor of having you castrated and reyturned to whatever Correctional Institute that released you.

You will also be reported to the FBI for the threats you made and if I have my way prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Post your avatar photograph so the INS, FBI and any other law enforcement I can convince can run it thought their face recognition systems and track you down .

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Mar 17, 2012 02:30:27   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Jackinthebox Can you please stop this crap?


Anytime

but remember You are not HIM

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Mar 17, 2012 02:30:49   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
I'm not riding my horse tonight! I'm riding my broom, and I happen to think photos of children (with parents' consent) are beautiful. I don't view them as you do. I don't see them with evil intent. Only certain people do that. I'm so sorry you are one of those.
Please, never take photos of children.

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Mar 17, 2012 02:50:01   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Horseart wrote:
I'm not riding my horse tonight! I'm riding my broom, and I happen to think photos of children (with parents' consent) are beautiful. I don't view them as you do. I don't see them with evil intent. Only certain people do that. I'm so sorry you are one of those.
Please, never take photos of children.


In a mall it is totally illegal to sneak snap shots of children and phony up to the parents. Does that make any difference to you? Professionals know that.
Lets do a survey and see who is right. Do most parents with children visiting a mall like or not like unsolicited photographers roaming the mall?
Lets ask the mall management?
I leave it to you.

You are hell bend at insulting me but you should watch were you fly on your broom. You will look like a stupid old witch if you fly in to a tree and when you fall down your shrieking will scare the children.
Please be careful and considerate and sleep well and have a nice dream.

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Mar 17, 2012 09:02:34   #
bullwinkle Loc: New Hartford, Missouri
 
Ian, I am so sorry that all this rides on a couple very nice pics you posted. I hope you don't actually see my post here because you stopped looking at updates for this, because they are just ridiculous. After a month I thought this whole topic was dead.

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