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Jul 20, 2014 21:28:00   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
I have tried to find the answer to when film negatives were first scanned and digitized. Google has yielded no information and either I am not entering the right question or the info isn't there. I suspect it was about the time one hour developing became popular for 35mm film at drug stores. I also wonder if the big names such as Fuji and Kodak used it in film processing. Can anyone on the forum give me an answer?

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Jul 20, 2014 22:16:16   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
dragonfist wrote:
I have tried to find the answer to when film negatives were first scanned and digitized. Google has yielded no information and either I am not entering the right question or the info isn't there. I suspect it was about the time one hour developing became popular for 35mm film at drug stores. I also wonder if the big names such as Fuji and Kodak used it in film processing. Can anyone on the forum give me an answer?


don't know when they started but i stopped doing it in 1982 when my scanner lamp quit working.

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Jul 20, 2014 22:20:34   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
Thank you. That takes it back farther than I imagined. I thought perhaps the early 90's.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:47:49   #
Erik_H Loc: Denham Springs, Louisiana
 
I expect that it was much earlier. The first digital scan was done by Russell A. Kirsch in 1957. It was a 5 cm square B&W photo of his three month old son. I suspect that negative film scanning came not long after.

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Jul 21, 2014 00:39:19   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
Wow Erik, thanks for the info. I never would have guessed that early. I was a senior in high achool the Fall of that year.

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Jul 21, 2014 00:56:44   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
dragonfist wrote:
I have tried to find the answer to when film negatives were first scanned and digitized. Google has yielded no information and either I am not entering the right question or the info isn't there. I suspect it was about the time one hour developing became popular for 35mm film at drug stores. I also wonder if the big names such as Fuji and Kodak used it in film processing. Can anyone on the forum give me an answer?


I bought my first flatbed scanner in 1981 (it weighed as much as my Kaypro II computer at that time, my first "Film" scanner in 1983, still have that one but can no longer use it. Both attached via SCSI Ports.
I know they were done commercially long before then.

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Jul 21, 2014 01:09:57   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
dragonfist wrote:
I have tried to find the answer to when film negatives were first scanned and digitized. Google has yielded no information and either I am not entering the right question or the info isn't there. I suspect it was about the time one hour developing became popular for 35mm film at drug stores. I also wonder if the big names such as Fuji and Kodak used it in film processing. Can anyone on the forum give me an answer?


Dragon, I wouldn't have any idea, but I would look to Hollywood for the answer. Just my guess! ;-)
SS

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Jul 21, 2014 01:31:34   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
It depends. Does sending a photograph by wire considered scanning? It seems to be similar because the photograph is converted to energy with then turns on a light at the other end to expose another sheet of paper.

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Jul 21, 2014 01:36:13   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
It depends. Does sending a photograph by wire considered scanning? It seems to be similar because the photograph is converted to energy with then turns on a light at the other end to expose another sheet of paper.


I was thinking along similar lines which technically may take you back to the 1890s or even 1873 if you want to look at the development of rudimentary television.
But then it is all going to come down to definition.

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Jul 21, 2014 01:40:08   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
Here is a link to a video about the process I am talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LetlcmqZFyA

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Jul 21, 2014 02:09:30   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
I had a fellow photographer friend who had a wire machine,1950's / 60's. He picked up a fair amount of work in our area, Midlands, for the National Daily Newpapers (London). I sent my offerings via 'Red Star' rail network.

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Jul 21, 2014 02:15:01   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
The inquiry was about digitizing, not simply scanning a pic! ;-)
SS

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Jul 21, 2014 02:36:43   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
dragonfist wrote:
I have tried to find the answer to when film negatives were first scanned and digitized. Google has yielded no information and either I am not entering the right question or the info isn't there. I suspect it was about the time one hour developing became popular for 35mm film at drug stores. I also wonder if the big names such as Fuji and Kodak used it in film processing. Can anyone on the forum give me an answer?


Well the fuji frontier series machines use a laser to create the positive image from the negative. When you first got the option of having your photographs put on CD they were already scanning your negative in the produce of producing a print anyway. Sadly the scan was really only as good as was needed for a 6 by 4 (and I thought I was being smart just getting the cd and no prints so I could post process at home then print).

The first hand held scanner scans I did (on an Amiga) were actual black and white and it was the ratio of black pixels to white pixels which determined the shade of gray in the final image.

I actually cloned by hand too you could see the pattern so you might have say 1101 then 0000 (just using 1 for a black pixel and 0 for a white pixel as shorthand here) so the collection of 0's would be where a scratch on a photo was so i'd just continue the pattern over the scratch and then converted to gray scale and the scratch would be repaired.

That was on a photo of my grand parents must have been taken in the early 40's (my grand father died in the mid 50's before I was born). These days you could scan and fix in a few minutes what took me hours to get a low resolution image. The monitor I was using was only 640 by 480 resolution too.

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Jul 21, 2014 03:53:46   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
Thank you everyone for your informative replies. I never realized the process was in use as early as it was.

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Jul 21, 2014 07:34:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I bought my first flatbed scanner in 1981 (it weighed as much as my Kaypro II computer at that time, my first "Film" scanner in 1983, still have that one but can no longer use it. Both attached via SCSI Ports.
I know they were done commercially long before then.

The place where I worked bought an HP scanner - B&W - that cost $1,000. When the glass broke, they wanted almost that much to repair it.

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