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Jan 12, 2014 04:04:05   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
St3v3M wrote:
Thank you!!!


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Jan 12, 2014 04:09:52   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
For really serious stuff I would use my Profisix hand - held meter with an incident light reading. Worked for me in film camera useage (No digital quick-fix on an instant play-back).

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Jan 12, 2014 07:52:02   #
kitcar Loc: Liverpool.Merseyside. UK
 
kitcar wrote:
[ Necon.] Re' your take on metering - copied & pasted. Plenty to think about


Waiting for ordered "The Practical Zone System For Film And Digital Photography" by Chris Johnson, Focal Press," to drop through my letter box. I also had a bit of luck at a local flea market this morning, picked up a working Weston Meter for a £1. Asked what it was & he said he hoped I would know. My old Weston packed in a few years ago so it was like renewing old aquaintances.
What between Necon's post, the "The Practical Zone System For Film And Digital Photography" & my SH Weston, should keep my occupied for a few days

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Jan 12, 2014 10:31:32   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Chuck_893 wrote:
I have a concern about bracketing on a wedding. The problem as I see it is that expressions, nuance, a little breeze blowing the gown just so &c &c &c are things that occur only once, and only for that fraction of a second it takes to make the exposure. If the exposure is wrong because you are bracketing (and Gumperson's Law says that it will be) you may just have the perfect expression or nuance or whatever on the overexposed-the-gown-is-blown frame. Granted, if you are shooting raw you may be able to save an overexposed frame. May. Be. I learned the craft in film days when we had to nail the exposure in camera every shot because we couldn't do much with it after the fact. That's not to say that bracketing is bad; it's just that when shooting people in a fluid situation, every shot counts. :D
I have a concern about bracketing on a wedding. Th... (show quote)

Thanks. I was thinking about the original question, (spot metering when taking landscape pictures).

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Jan 12, 2014 10:42:49   #
Chuck_893 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
 
Marionsho wrote:
Thanks. I was thinking about the original question, (spot metering when taking landscape pictures).
Ah! That is a horse of another color (so to speak). :D I would suggest, though, that bracketing was still perhaps more useful and necessary when shooting transparency, which tended to be very exposure critical. I have found that digital is more forgiving—in many cases even more forgiving than color negative, provided that you do not overexpose and blow the bright highlights. I confess that I don't shoot raw (not yet anyway), so I'm pretty careful with jpegs, checking my histograms to insure that I'm not clipping highlights. I worry less if I see pretty deep shadows because I have learned that, even when shooting only jpeg, I can open that shadow and find a wealth of detail, and if I'm careful it doesn't get muddy, as it would if it were a color negative. I rarely bracket, but I also think it is a personal choice (and now I can see the rocks and bottles coming)… :mrgreen: :lol:

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Jan 12, 2014 13:10:46   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
St3v3M wrote:
So now I have to ask - where is the best place to learn The Zone System? I see a few posts in Google, but is there a definitive place?


Nekon has written a rather good intro to the Zone System

here is the link: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-165248-1.html

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Jan 12, 2014 13:17:13   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
Searcher wrote:
Nekon has written a rather good intro to the Zone System

here is the link: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-165248-1.html

Thank you!

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Jan 12, 2014 14:14:54   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
dandi wrote:
While viewing somebody’s pictures on line (I didn’t pay attention to the name) I noticed that he always used Manual exposure mode. More than that he used spot metering. He is landscape photographer and his photos were beautiful.
Is it typical to use spot metering for landscape? If yes, what part of the scene I should meter from? I am not questioning his technique, on the contrary, after viewing his work I want to learn from him.
Another question: I understand that Manual exposure mode gives more control. Can I have the same control with one of the Auto exposure modes plus exposure compensation? Thank you.
While viewing somebody’s pictures on line (I didn’... (show quote)


:lol: :lol: You did not mention how you know the shots were made in a manual mode. If you are going to shoot in auto, do so. If you want total control use the features of your camera. That mean no auto. You made no mention of ISO, remember that ISO is an arbitrary number that pertains to your camera system only. But the use of spot metering would be universal. Some landscape photographers adhere to the philosophy that zone metering systems use an average reading, whereas spot metering picks a small spot. That spot, and all others on the plane of focus will be in focus and metered the same. The thinking here is with zone, everything is average, with spot, many points are very focused and metered. Another point of view, I guess. I have used this method and am very satisfied with the results. :lol: :lol:

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Jan 12, 2014 15:30:52   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
[quote=davidrb]:lol: :lol: You did not mention how you know the shots were made in a manual mode.

Each photo had the information next to it: camera, ISO, Shutter, Aperture, mode, metering and ... . I was viewing his gallery two-three weeks ago and would not be able to find it now.

--- If you want total control use the features of your camera.


Talking about control. I still didn't get the answer to my last question: can I have the same control with Av mode plus exposure compensation. What do you think?

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Jan 12, 2014 15:44:14   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
dandi wrote:
davidrb wrote:
:lol: :lol: You did not mention how you know the shots were made in a manual mode.

Each photo had the information next to it: camera, ISO, Shutter, Aperture, mode, metering and ... . I was viewing his gallery two-three weeks ago and would not be able to find it now.

--- If you want total control use the features of your camera.


Talking about control. I still didn't get the answer to my last question: can I have the same control with Av mode plus exposure compensation. What do you think?
quote=davidrb :lol: :lol: You did not mention ho... (show quote)

If you have set the ISO, then using Av plus exposure compensation does the same thing as setting the aperture and shutter speed manually. Which one is better in a particular situation depends on the lighting of the subject and how it is changing.

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Jan 12, 2014 15:51:24   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
amehta wrote:
If you have set the ISO, then using Av plus exposure compensation does the same thing as setting the aperture and shutter speed manually. Which one is better in a particular situation depends on the lighting of the subject and how it is changing.



That's what I wanted to know, thank you.

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Jan 13, 2014 10:30:40   #
AdkHiker Loc: Northeast
 
gessman wrote:
You can skip the whole zone system unless you're one of those people who like growing and making all your own food from scratch, saving the seeds from year to year to ensure food quality. Or being a person who uses a slide rule when you want to figure your bottom line. Get a good handheld meter like a Sekonic 358 or up and learn how to use it. It's like today's computers compared to an abacus. You CAN even duplicate the results of a handheld meter by learning how to use a grey card and your on-board camera meter. Given an equal amount of skill and patience, ten to one, you won't be able to tell the difference in an image done today in the 1900 style and an image using the latest tools of today but with modern tools you'll have a lot more time to shoot. I'm sure there will be disagreement so you may have to do the test yourself.
You can skip the whole zone system unless you're o... (show quote)


Well said :thumbup:

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Jan 14, 2014 20:36:22   #
redrocktom Loc: Sedona
 
At this point you should be able to analyse a scene for spot,centre-weighted or matrix metering,grey card, using that information to determine the correct exposure for any scene in daylight.[/quote]

Great lesson nekon. Thank you.

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