selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

So what? Should have used another word? Should have said "future customers"? What possible difference does it make? How are you offended or diminished by the word? Does it threaten you in any way?

And how is this digression responding to the original post by the OP?

Blaster6 Loc: Central PA

:lol:

I figured as much. The good ones are always taken. :thumbup:
(Don't tell my wife I asked.) :roll: :lol:

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

No Blaster, you'll have to fight me for her. But, Blaster, I will admit, I'm a pretty lousy fighter !! :-)
SS

Edit: put'em up, put'em up(mimicking the Cowardly Lion!).

Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business

how does the OP who doesn't even own a camera using the word customers affect me? Well it actually affects every single person here who has taken not only their time to learn about photography but invested their hard earned money into learning as much as they can, professional or not. By using the words customer and clients, the OP is telling us all that he/she believes that it doesn't take any skill level to be not only a professional photographer but it doesn't take any skill or knowledge to even be a good hobbyist, that we are all in fact wasting our time, energy and money in expanding our education and knowledge.
When I got my first DSLR, I wasn’t thinking business; I was thinking how do I get the best possible pictures of my children and family. I wasn’t even thinking about portraits of friends, I wasn’t asking about ordering pictures for customers. And the truth is I’m pretty sure the majority of the members here were on the same page as I was, no one was thinking “I need a DSLR so I can get clients”. The OP is putting the cart before the horse just by thinking about clients at this point. They need to stop worrying about the business side and start having fun and figuring out the actual photography side of it.

As I said, every post like this should upset members here, after all why are you spending time to learn if it’s as easy as putting the camera on auto and pushing the shutter button down?

Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business

I'm blushing. :oops:

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

So is your camera !! :-)
SS

DebAnn Loc: Toronto

It certainly is hogwash that you need a fixed aperture zoom to get consistent exposures. I'd hazard a bet that not many people on this blog have fixed aperture zooms. And I'll bet that many of those understand lighting and get good exposures.What do you think photographers did before there was any such thing as a fixed aperture zoom? They didn't used zooms perhaps?

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

I think you are reading a lot into the use of the words "customer" and "client". Clearly, the OP does not have any presently. How can you infer from the use of the word exactly how far the OP is projecting into the future? If you want to psychoanalyze UHH posters based on their choice of words, you are not going to have much time left for your chosen profession.

Telling someone that they have a lot to learn (don't we all) is not helpful. Answering their specific question is helpful and a positive contribution.

If a question somehow offends you, ignore it. It may not offend all of us. The offence may be in your imagination.

The way to make this forum work is to respond to the question, not the person.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Don't put words in my mouth. I pointed out that it is mainly an issue when using studio strobes and/or when shooting on manual. I didn't say you need a fixed aperture lens to get consistent exposures. If someone simply slops along with camera on program the variable aperture is not much of an issue. The problem is easily verified in moments, which I guess you haven't bothered to do. If someone wants to be a skilled photographer rather than slopping his way along with camera on "auto" he deserves to be warned rather than spending money on variable aperture zooms without realizing the severe limitations.

Incidentally, there are several easy fixes for the issue, but the camera and lens manufacturers have not seen fit to fix them.

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

LOL. Are you calling me a "craptastic photographer"? I never said becoming a pro was easy. In fact, I even made a sarcastic remark about it---I guess you didn't get it, huh? Of course, I'm not a pro, so I can't really comment about becoming one---I'll leave that to you. You are doing a fine job. However, why should I feel insulted? None of it is true. I might be insulted (or ashamed) if I thought someone with no experience or education could come to my place of employment and do my job better than me.

So glad I didn't quit my day job for this. :-)

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

Best two in m4/3.

Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to all those wonderful "pros" out there that pat themselves on the back while producing the craptrasic work like the samples posted on you are not a photographer. They tend to flock together and tell each other that they are wonderful photographers and cry foul when they receive honest feedback on their "work". Their normal reply to less than glowing feedback is "well the client loved it". Lol


I'm not threatened by these types of photographers, poop there are some wonderfully talented photographers in my area who arent my competition, our price points are too far apart. Clients that are budget shopping aren't my target market.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

I think it better to develop at least basic competence before trying to charge and make a business of photography. Bear in mind that anyone can buy a decent DSLR, set it on program, and immediately get tolerably sharp, tolerably color correct photos from the gitgo. But there's a lot more to learn about lighting, composition, and most all working with people to get the best results. There's also a modicum to learn about after-shoot processing.

A piper at a wedding in Briggs, Idaho. Oddly, he seems to be missing the knives, part of the outfit. In the background are the Grand Teton mountains, whose name translates as "Big Breasts."

RRS Loc: Not sure

As to someone doing "a" job better than me. Well it's not funny when you are at the pro lab where you have your work printed, I no longer print my own and you hear this. "Can someone please help me? I had a friend /photographer photograph our wedding/family pictures/etc. and now what can we do? Two ways to look at this, one, they got what they paid for and two am I glad I didn't shoot that. I printed for years at that lab and many times we were able to help, but not always. You take on a lot of responsibilities when you take on "clients " that pay and if you can't or don't produce the desired results you won't be in business very long .

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

As I said before, I can't comment on being a pro photographer, but I have owned my own business. Not easy to say the least. Mine didn't fail, but I got tired of working 70+hrs a week. When I first joined this forum in 2011, I was interested in starting my own photog biz. After a few slaps across the face, I woke up and smelled reality. I enjoy photography much more as an amateur. Going into business would have spoiled it for me. Glad I kept the day job. :-)