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Jun 3, 2013 09:11:09   #
Remoman Loc: Someplace Remote Near LA
 
SteveR wrote:
Remoman...This is a post worthy of a 1st class troll. But you're not a troll, so what gives?


Yes Steve, this is a serious question.
I am sorry you feel I am being a troll.
I know how I feel about the question but, since this is a forum, I feel it is an appropriate site to ask the opinion of others.

I liked several of the answers:

Dave Wilson put thought into his reply: "If you have a Bible on your computer do a search on liberal and then search conservative. You will find that we are told to be liberal. Conservative you wont find. Remember the ten beggars and only one of them was in need. I think we were told that we should not to deny the one in need berceuse of the other nine. It is my take that Christ was liberal on social issues. Of course moral issues was another thing but you can't legislate peoples values. It's just dumb to say you must be Republican to be Christian."

CaptainC made me laugh:"You are correct, of course. But based on what comes out of the Republican party so often - many of them don't understand that.
Proof that there is a God: Michelle Bachmann leaving!:)"

I believe CardinalLady gave the kindest, most Christian, and most non-judgmental answer; "Christianity has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with believing in Jesus Christ and wanting to abide by His teachings. It would be hard to be a Democrat at this time and also be a Christian since this administration believes in and allows abortion plus other non Christian beliefs. That is my belief according to my religious upbringing. That doesn't mean you have to be a Republican. In life and in the Bible, there are no perfect humans so none of us live lives that parallel what God intended. Christians don't act very Christian like sometimes. Some are still clinging to human prejudices from generations past. These are all sins that are between you and Christ but make stone throwing very easy for both Christians and non. If you are a Christian, I believe you, personally have to ask yourself, when in doubt, if what you are questioning is in line with your religious beliefs or in conflict with them. Non Christians will never understand until they cross over to the light of Christ. If you are truly looking for an answer to your question and not just opinions, The Bible has all the answers."

I identify most closely with SB, thank you: "I think the opposite tends to be the truth. Throughout the Bible we are told that we ARE our brother's keepers. The story of the beggar Lazarus at the gate of the rich man, etc. Conservatives/Republicans generally have an "I've got mine - you get yours" attitude. While arguing against "ObamaCare", they have never offered up any concern about those Americans who cannot afford health care - no options to cover all Americans have ever been suggested (and in fact, in one of politics' unsolvable ironies, the health insurance mandate was even supported by the Heritage Foundation until Obama suggested it). Would a true Christian want a society where people literally die because they have no access to health care? I think not. Am I a "socialist"? Perhaps. Am I a Christian? Yes."

To all of you that took the time to answer, even those thinking I am a troll, thank you for your views.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:18:44   #
CardinalLady Loc: Hoosier
 
NikonJohn wrote:
Perhaps you should judge Christianity by looking at Christ rather than us sinful Christians, some of whom don't even follow Christ. :) :wink:


Amen! We go to a wonderful church whose goal is to help our community, especially the youth. All are welcome, the focus is on Christ, Bible knowledge and helping our community. I pray that all people can come to know Christ as He meant it to be.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:19:10   #
DPalmer Loc: U.S. Gulf Coast
 
The current "parties" are one and the same. The end result will be Sharia law and it won't matter in our children's lifetime whether your ancestors read the bible, went to any particular denominations church or how you voted.
The press will rue the day they fell into the public relations trap and helped the fall of all the safeguards in the constitution.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:21:48   #
jamitjim73 Loc: Franklin,Tn.
 
what constitutes being labeled a troll? I might be one and don't know it.Is it something really bad?

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Jun 3, 2013 09:23:42   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
Remoman wrote:
I have a serious question and I would like your opinion and reason for it.

I have been told by several people that it is impossible to be a Christian unless one is also a Republican.

How say you and why?


Of course not ! I know Christians that I respect of different political views. However a trend has been in place over the last 40 years of Christians moving out of the Democrat party into the Republican party.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:24:16   #
Mik Minick Loc: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
 
So am I to assume that countries that don't have a republican party can't be Christian??

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Jun 3, 2013 09:40:56   #
CardinalLady Loc: Hoosier
 
Remoman wrote:
Yes Steve, this is a serious question.
I am sorry you feel I am being a troll.
I know how I feel about the question but, since this is a forum, I feel it is an appropriate site to ask the opinion of others.

I liked several of the answers:

Dave Wilson put thought into his reply: "If you have a Bible on your computer do a search on liberal and then search conservative. You will find that we are told to be liberal. Conservative you wont find. Remember the ten beggars and only one of them was in need. I think we were told that we should not to deny the one in need berceuse of the other nine. It is my take that Christ was liberal on social issues. Of course moral issues was another thing but you can't legislate peoples values. It's just dumb to say you must be Republican to be Christian."

CaptainC made me laugh:"You are correct, of course. But based on what comes out of the Republican party so often - many of them don't understand that.
Proof that there is a God: Michelle Bachmann leaving!:)"

I believe CardinalLady gave the kindest, most Christian, and most non-judgmental answer; "Christianity has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with believing in Jesus Christ and wanting to abide by His teachings. It would be hard to be a Democrat at this time and also be a Christian since this administration believes in and allows abortion plus other non Christian beliefs. That is my belief according to my religious upbringing. That doesn't mean you have to be a Republican. In life and in the Bible, there are no perfect humans so none of us live lives that parallel what God intended. Christians don't act very Christian like sometimes. Some are still clinging to human prejudices from generations past. These are all sins that are between you and Christ but make stone throwing very easy for both Christians and non. If you are a Christian, I believe you, personally have to ask yourself, when in doubt, if what you are questioning is in line with your religious beliefs or in conflict with them. Non Christians will never understand until they cross over to the light of Christ. If you are truly looking for an answer to your question and not just opinions, The Bible has all the answers."

I identify most closely with SB, thank you: "I think the opposite tends to be the truth. Throughout the Bible we are told that we ARE our brother's keepers. The story of the beggar Lazarus at the gate of the rich man, etc. Conservatives/Republicans generally have an "I've got mine - you get yours" attitude. While arguing against "ObamaCare", they have never offered up any concern about those Americans who cannot afford health care - no options to cover all Americans have ever been suggested (and in fact, in one of politics' unsolvable ironies, the health insurance mandate was even supported by the Heritage Foundation until Obama suggested it). Would a true Christian want a society where people literally die because they have no access to health care? I think not. Am I a "socialist"? Perhaps. Am I a Christian? Yes."

To all of you that took the time to answer, even those thinking I am a troll, thank you for your views.
Yes Steve, this is a serious question. br I am sor... (show quote)


Thank you Remoman, I try hard to be a loving Christian, but the Devil does pick on me quite a bit. There are many wonderful Christians out there trying to do as Jesus taught. "A new command I give to you, Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John13:34,35 These are trying times, we all need to love and care for others and do what we can starting in our own communities.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:48:19   #
Dr Grump Loc: Southern New England
 
CardinalLady wrote:
Christianity has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with believing in Jesus Christ and wanting to abide by His teachings. It would be hard to be a Democrat at this time and also be a Christian since this administration believes in and allows abortion plus other non Christian beliefs. That is my belief according to my religious upbringing. That doesn't mean you have to be a Republican. In life and in the Bible, there are no perfect humans so none of us live lives that parallel what God intended. Christians don't act very Christian like sometimes. Some are still clinging to human prejudices from generations past. These are all sins that are between you and Christ but make stone throwing very easy for both Christians and non. If you are a Christian, I believe you, personally have to ask yourself, when in doubt, if what you are questioning is in line with your religious beliefs or in conflict with them. Non Christians will never understand until they cross over to the light of Christ. If you are truly looking for an answer to your question and not just opinions, The Bible has all the answers.
Christianity has nothing to do with politics. It h... (show quote)


I agree that Christianity SHOULD have nothing to do with politics. And certainly you don't have to be a Republican in order to be a Christian. If I recall right, there were Christians almost 2 thousand years before there were Republicans and Democrats! Also, I happen to know a Democrat or two who are against abortion, and have even heard of a Republican who is pro choice. Believe it or not.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:50:43   #
Remoman Loc: Someplace Remote Near LA
 
Perhaps some of you might be interested in why I asked my question.
I attend a church of my wife's choice.
Several months ago, the pastor mentioned something about it, "not being necessary yet for Christians to have armed resistance to our government."
And yesterday, "The End Times are coming. The allowing of gays into the Boy Scouts proves that."
There is more but I think you get the point.
I know it would offend her but I am considering another place of worship.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:52:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Remoman wrote:
Perhaps some of you might be interested in why I asked my question.
I attend a church of my wife's choice.
Several months ago, the pastor mentioned something about it, "not being necessary yet for Christians to have armed resistance to our government."
And yesterday, "The End Times are coming. The allowing of gays into the Boy Scouts proves that."
There is more but I think you get the point.
I know it would offend her but I am considering another place of worship.
Perhaps some of you might be interested in why I a... (show quote)


I seldom go to church, but I have never heard anything like that in any masses that I have attended.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:57:23   #
NikonJohn Loc: Indiana U.S.A.
 
I think that religion and government have become blurred in this country (seems ironic don’t it). Taking care of those whom can’t take care of themselves is supposed to be the responsibility of the church not the government. It seems that being sinners by nature we have dropped that ball in the name of greed. So the government stepped in and picked it up. “ObamaCare” would not be necessary if we Christians were doing as God ask us to. Notice though that I said can’t not won’t take care of themselves. The Bible does not call us to support those who can work but just don’t want to. A loving father dose not feed or empower the sins of his children, he corrects them. Please don’t read anything into that that I did not say, if you don’t understand it ask me to clarify please.
As far as being anyone being “judgmental”… Matthew 7: 1 has to be the most misunderstood and misquoted part of the Bible by non-Christians. Read it in its full context…

Matthew 7: 1-6 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”

It’s a warning about how we judge, and that’s a two edged sword, it goes both ways. Sorry for that sidetrack, I just wanted those who don’t actually read the Bible to see the whole part rather than the one verse. It also seems a lot of people confuse being discerning with being judgmental. We are called to be discerning.

Have a great week all! :)

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Jun 3, 2013 10:00:13   #
SeaChelle Loc: Boston area
 
CardinalLady wrote:
Christianity has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with believing in Jesus Christ and wanting to abide by His teachings. It would be hard to be a Democrat at this time and also be a Christian since this administration believes in and allows abortion plus other non Christian beliefs. That is my belief according to my religious upbringing. That doesn't mean you have to be a Republican. In life and in the Bible, there are no perfect humans so none of us live lives that parallel what God intended. Christians don't act very Christian like sometimes. Some are still clinging to human prejudices from generations past. These are all sins that are between you and Christ but make stone throwing very easy for both Christians and non. If you are a Christian, I believe you, personally have to ask yourself, when in doubt, if what you are questioning is in line with your religious beliefs or in conflict with them. Non Christians will never understand until they cross over to the light of Christ. If you are truly looking for an answer to your question and not just opinions, The Bible has all the answers.
Christianity has nothing to do with politics. It h... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jun 3, 2013 10:00:46   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Remoman wrote:
I have a serious question and I would like your opinion and reason for it.

I have been told by several people that it is impossible to be a Christian unless one is also a Republican.

How say you and why?


I believe those people were all repubs, right? What a silly, useless thing to believe. It's nothing more than a holier than thou, small minded attitude. 'Christianity' is not believing in Jesus' preaching. It's believing all the doctrines, tenets, procedures, and attitudes put forth by the founders of the religion, of which Jesus was NOT one. You want a belief? Here it is. "Treat others the way you want to be treated", "..do good, love mercy, walk humbly with your God". You don't need surface rules and regs. The only thing you have ever needed is a kind heart. We don't have enough of them in our world today.

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Jun 3, 2013 10:01:34   #
NikonJohn Loc: Indiana U.S.A.
 
Mik Minick wrote:
So am I to assume that countries that don't have a republican party can't be Christian??


Yea, that's why saying you have to be a Republican is a foolish thing to say.

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Jun 3, 2013 10:17:43   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
I think it would be difficult for a die hard Democrat to be a die hard Christian who is at all honest with themselves. It's not necessarily their stance on any one particular issue, but opposition to religion in general is found predominately on the liberal side..

I am not particularly religious, but I don't find offense by a nativity scene in the town square, or by Moses and the 10 commandments on the Supreme Court building- nor even Muhammad there. Most from either side don't either. But of those who do, they are really only from one side of politics.

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