Nightski

Thank-you Jeep-Daddy. I usually take all my shots outside, so you're right. I really wasn't prepared for this type of shot. Even if I don't have all the right equipment, I participate in the contests anyway. I always learn something, and that is what it's all about. I will work on getting the things you mentioned for my next indoor shot.

Nightski

Ok, I have another question. This is directed to everyone who participated today in critiquing my photo. I know I set myself up for this one, but if UHH allowed critiques under entered photos, would you all have been so brutally honest as you were with me today? I came prepared for it, but what of a new person who is not. If this is what would happen to someone that is brand new, I am not sure it is such a good idea. And don't get me wrong. I appreciated all your comments, because I am so ready for all this advice. Some people may not be.

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

The Photo Analysis forum is meant for those brave souls who want feedback, otherwise you are just showing them off.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Nightski,

C&C is usually not given unless asked for. UHH does have a Photo Analysis section for general critiques. If an image is uploaded there people are looking for improvement and should expect honest advise. The Photo Gallery is for people that just want to show off and where they want to get a few pats on the back. There is always someone out there that will give you a pat on the back but in the Photo Analysis section there should not be any pats on the back unless the image is perfect. Most people that are looking for C&C don't have perfect images and need help. Some people aren't cut out to be critics.

I see that you did get quite a few votes for your pie so it was a good subject for the DIY topic. I believe you could have done much better or even won the contest if you had a magazine quality image. Just my humble opinion.

I posted the picture of a Jeep and me. I was the only one who voted for me. LOL. You made a pie that took you what, 2 hours, 3 hours to make? I made a Jeep that took me 10 years to build. I'm proud of it and thought it should have won the contest just on its merit. But it's just a snap shot of a person standing next to a Jeep and I should have known that it's the image that they are judging and not difficulty creating the subject or the merit of the subject that's important to the judges. Besides, who knows, some of the contestants might have a bunch of friends or family helping them out with votes.

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

Hi jeep daddy, that post sounds remarkably like sour grapes from someone who doesn't think they should have been beaten by a "lady with a pie".
..merit of the subject..????
A pie is obviously a DIY, as you said, and as you also said - yours was a snapshot of a bloke next to a car.
I believe you could have done much better if yours was a magazine quality image.

tainkc Loc: Kansas City

I could care less about the photo. I'm coming over!

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

"sounds remarkably like sour grapes from someone who doesn't think they should have been beaten by a "lady with a pie"" Quite the opposite. I'm not complaining at all. I admit that my image is just a "bloke next to a car" and this is not a winner. Although, her pie was liked by many and the subject good. The image just wasn't that good.


"I believe you could have done much better if yours was a magazine quality image" I don't think my image, no matter the quality, would have won but her pie might have done better.

You must misunderstand me. I was just saying that even though I have a lot of pride in my Jeep DIY project, it was not the amount of time or difficulty of the DIY project that would win the contest, it is the image itself and the quality and creativity of the image . . . and possibly :shock: how many friends and family you ask to vote for you.

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

Nah. Don't sell yourself short jeep daddy.
I think your image could have won - if you had taken it properly, and if it had been a decent image, instead of just the snapshot you submitted.

Nightski

Jeep Daddy,
The whole purpose for the contests is to learn, and have fun doing it. If the entries had to be perfect, then certainly there would be very few people entering the contest. I did the best I could with the experience and equipment that I had. After all the feedback I had to day, I could probably do better tomorrow. That is the point of this whole exercise in DIY ANALYSIS, and that's why I participated in this. I wanted to show people how helpful it can be to receive constructive criticism. I felt everything was going pretty well until you insinuated that I cheated to get 10 votes. I did not. I do not have family and friends here voting for me. If you look back at the last 5 contests that I have participated in, you will see that I have never gotten more than 1 or 2 votes. I do not let anyone know what my entry is, I always get the shot during the contest week, and I always stick to the theme. I am honest and I follow the rules. I just want to make that clear.

Secondly you put down my DIY because you think yours is better. Did you know that I grew the raspberries in that cran-raspberry pie in my own garden? That I spend hours every summer weeding and watering my garden. I grow lots of fruits for my pies there. Also it takes me 2 days to make a pie, because I have a special way of making the crust. But, because I think my photo should speak for itself, I keep my titles short. If I feel as though I have to write a paragraph on my photo, then I must not be very confident that my photo speaks for itself. I have to say that I am very disappointed that someone who has been here as long as you have, has treated me ( a newcomer) the way you have. Your first response was helpful and constructive. You should have stopped there.
Regards, Nightski

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

You guys know something, it's hard to put in writing the emotions and expressions of ones self and even harder for people to read someone else's written words and truly understand them. If I wanted to say something mean and rotten, you would definitely know that I was being mean and rotten. None of the things I implied in this thread are mean and or rotten.

Nightski

Okay JeepDaddy, I am going to make another go at it. I looked up the photography work you've posted, and it's truly amazing. I did that because, about a week ago, a friend of yours told me that you are a talented photographer and that I should follow you because you are very helpful and knowledgeable. I have to say, I fail to understand why you took the cheap shot at me that you did about how I got my votes. That was personal, it wasn't professional. It leaves me wondering if I have said or done something in the past on the forum to offend you.

This car was entered in the low angle contest. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/photo_contest_entry_details.jsp?pcenum=8553 I voted for it. I usually don't vote for cars, because it's not something that interests me, and they just don't catch my attention. This one did, because this man caught an image of this car that made me want to see more of it. Moreover, I could see from the small portion of the car that he showed in the photo that it was truly labor of love for him. He didn't have to say it either. I just knew by the photo. I think, with the ability that you have, you could have gotten a shot of your jeep that would have said the same thing. That's why I brought up the title. You can't tell people why your subject is special, you have to show them. Actually you made the same artistic mistake that I did. You tried to show too much.

I am going to tell you why I got so many votes. I posted food. It's like puppies and babies...it's a vote getter. I post a photo a day on my cover page on Facebook. I have a few family and friends that give occasional likes. One day I posted a griddle full of pancakes. I got more likes and comments than I had ever gotten on any photo I ever posted.

I hope that we can go away with an understanding of each other here. I am willing to take any valid criticism and put it to work, but I just won't be silent when my honesty and integrity have been challenged.
Regards, Nightski

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Nightski, You still fail to understand what I wrote. I did not take a cheap shot at you! You are taking this personally and it was not directed at you. I know for a fact that some people ask their friends and family to vote for them. I've been asked to vote for some of my friends images if I wasn't going to enter the contest. Please please please! Don't take this personal. I did not direct any of my comments toward you except for my C&C of your image. Most of the rest of what I said was about me and how wrong my image was.

This is the last time I will comment on anything you say or do since you seem to be so sensitive about what you think I said. Good bye.

carogray Loc: Santa Monica originally UK

It looks like everyone has answered for you - so thats great .. I agree I would try different lighting methods ..maybe photograph near a window so you get a nice lighting effect - or buy more lights, diffusers ect.. would shoot in about F8 to F10 ..focus and include.. just the pie ... and If you could cut the pie without disturbing the lattice work to show the inside of the pie might be good, the fruit ect. ...but as you say this might destroy your work - so maybe not...

Nightski

Thank-you carogray. I know, I thought I could come up with some make-shift lighting to solve my lighting problem that night, but now I see that I can't slip that one by any Hedgehoggers! :) It was the first time I had done a still life type of photo, but after all the tips, I now see that is was a little busy. I really do appreciate feedback like yours that sticks to the subject at hand.