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Nov 12, 2011 20:50:48   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
Snazz,
I too love B&W, Yes, with digital I was taught to shoot in color. Then convert it to B&W later. By doing so you have more information in the orginal image. However, with better softwaer now it is very possible to recover the color.



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Nov 12, 2011 20:55:13   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
Snazz,
I too love B&W, Yes, with digital I was taught to shoot in color. Then convert it to B&W later. By doing so you have more information in the orginal image. However, with better softwaer now it is very possible to recover the color.

this is a farm all 300. the seat is not the orginal one but its mor comfortable
this is a farm all 300.  the seat is not the orgin...

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Nov 12, 2011 21:17:09   #
C. David Loc: Wisconsin
 
I also learned to shoot in color, and in PS later. The Farmall H are good. After I edit to BW, I also look at a sepia tint to the pic also. I think it adds another look and feel to the subjects.

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Nov 12, 2011 21:28:50   #
phoneguy55 Loc: upstate NY
 
if shooting in RAW.....isn't all of the color data there....no matter what setting the camera is on. ( ie...sepia, B&W...etc) I thought the setting only dictated the display on camera, but all of the total data including color is still in the RAW file. I don't shoot B&W , or convert into B&W , so I was just wondering.

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Nov 12, 2011 21:32:05   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
sparky192 wrote:
well i guess part of the problem is that I live in a sparsely populated area of Canada. Local stores, libraries, photoshops do not have the info I seek for Photoshop, among others. I am stuck with what I can find online. And, Having said that, I am trying to get somewhere with the photoshop trial package. I cannot see myself purchasing a high dollar program when it is so tough to get materials to help in learning it.
I guess I should just accept the fact that if I want to do what I know and enjoy I should just go back to my darkroom, stinky chemicals, and stuff that I know.But hey, i have boxes of unexposed 8X10 paper I guess I can start fires with it.....
It has oft been said you cant teach an old dog new tricks. I now believe it.
So-o-o my photographs will now be relegated into the "snapshot" class. And I will play with my "new" digital toys without regard for what the "younger" folks are achieving with this amazing new medium>
BTW, have you tried to buy a roll of B&W film lately? One whose date is not expired???
well i guess part of the problem is that I live in... (show quote)


HEY,in a few days I'll be 64. I've spent my entire life as a photographer. They forced me into digital kicking and screaming...I was literally in tears more than once. You just have to stick with it...a little, tiny bit at a time...every now and then a big chunk suddenly makes sense. The learning curve sort of snowballs. I've been totally digital for about ten years now and every single day I have an ...OH WOW!!! moment. I can not imagine returning to the film world.

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Nov 12, 2011 21:41:13   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
phoneguy55 wrote:
if shooting in RAW.....isn't all of the color data there....no matter what setting the camera is on. ( ie...sepia, B&W...etc) I thought the setting only dictated the display on camera, but all of the total data including color is still in the RAW file. I don't shoot B&W , or convert into B&W , so I was just wondering.


Think of RAW as your digital negative. Everything that chip can record is there...you then process it any ole way you want. Your RAW file is always there to go back to. I own a small weekly famlly newspaper and a commercial studio. Sometimes folks will come in and want a photo of Johnny making the big basket at the basketball game. His photo was in the newspaper in B&W. They are shocked when I open the RAW file and make them a color print...very pleasantly shocked....

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Nov 13, 2011 09:41:25   #
sparky192 Loc: Manitoba, Canada
 
64??? You young pup, I will be 70 in March.
I guess part of my problem is reluctance... It used to be that a photograph was proof positive of an event. Now you could put a stock car on a picture of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and folks would believe it.
It just seems that we have a whole new art form that has destroyed a former science.

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Nov 13, 2011 10:41:19   #
lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland
 
sparky192 wrote:
64??? You young pup, I will be 70 in March.
I guess part of my problem is reluctance... It used to be that a photograph was proof positive of an event. Now you could put a stock car on a picture of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and folks would believe it.
It just seems that we have a whole new art form that has destroyed a former science.


Ah, remembering what never was. The Soviets were particularly good at modifying the old technology to alter the appearance of history. Stalin's enemies were notorious for disappearing from photos as well as life.
Photography has always been an art form that involved aspects of science. Ansel Adams would roll in his grave if he was characterized soley as a technician or scientist.

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Nov 13, 2011 10:42:35   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
Sparky192,
Since the invention of an image they have been able to manipulate it. My G grandfather was a photographer when it was all new then. I have seen his work and know how he did some of it. He died in 1968 at the age of 101. His heyday was to take pictures of the doughboys before they ship out to europe from Newport News Virginia.

By the Way, what is the lense in your profile picture?

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Nov 13, 2011 11:11:09   #
architect Loc: Chattanooga
 
sparky192 wrote:
well i guess part of the problem is that I live in a sparsely populated area of Canada. Local stores, libraries, photoshops do not have the info I seek for Photoshop, among others. I am stuck with what I can find online. And, Having said that, I am trying to get somewhere with the photoshop trial package. I cannot see myself purchasing a high dollar program when it is so tough to get materials to help in learning it.
I guess I should just accept the fact that if I want to do what I know and enjoy I should just go back to my darkroom, stinky chemicals, and stuff that I know.But hey, i have boxes of unexposed 8X10 paper I guess I can start fires with it.....
It has oft been said you cant teach an old dog new tricks. I now believe it.
So-o-o my photographs will now be relegated into the "snapshot" class. And I will play with my "new" digital toys without regard for what the "younger" folks are achieving with this amazing new medium>
well i guess part of the problem is that I live in... (show quote)


I am an old dog, and I love learning new tricks. If Photoshop is too much money, buy the latest Elements. Any of the books by Scott Kelby have great step by step lessons, delivered with humor. Learning new tricks will be worth the effort, and will help keep your old brain from freezing. I do NOT miss the stinky chemicals, or time spent in the darkroom at all.

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Nov 13, 2011 11:24:51   #
sparky192 Loc: Manitoba, Canada
 
my lens...
if you look back a couple of weeks or so, I wrote a piece on that lens. It is a home made macro extender made from a pringles chip can. I published a couple of shots I took with it and they are almost microscopic.
Sparky

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Nov 13, 2011 11:28:27   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
I remeber, thanks for reminding me very nice!!!

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Nov 13, 2011 11:35:59   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
sparky192 wrote:
I have a darkroom I will trade for the knowledge to run photoshop. I find the tutorials leave out too much detail. I have been trying to get fire on a spitfire fighter foor 2 days...Cant get the damned prop off.Is there a book photoshop for real old dummies??
Ansel Adams must be rolling in his grave.



How about PhotoShop CS5 All-In-One for Dummies? I've got it and it's great and easy to understand, especially when used with the help part of CS5 which accesses online Adobe-approved websites and blogs.

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Nov 13, 2011 11:38:44   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
photosbyhenry wrote:
My nickles worth if you please. When you shoot a color photo do you have in mind what it might look like in b&w? Do you shoot different if you want a b&w photo? I shoot my b&w in the b&w mode. I photoshop or convert very few of my photos. I have posted before. I know that Ansel Adams spent hours correcting his photos. Did he ever have the option of shooting in color and converting to b&w? With contrast, lighting and composition I look at the subject I am photographing different for b&w than color.
My nickles worth if you please. When you shoot a c... (show quote)


A lot of people aren't aware that Ansel Adams did a lot of shooting in color as well. So would he shoot in color and convert? Possibly. But then again, being a purist, he probably didn't because he was a B&W artist at heart.

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Nov 13, 2011 11:48:10   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
C. David wrote:
I also learned to shoot in color, and in PS later. The Farmall H are good. After I edit to BW, I also look at a sepia tint to the pic also. I think it adds another look and feel to the subjects.


I don't believe that's an H. Unless the photos are fooling me, the wheelbase is too short, the H was taller, and H front wheels were together in the middle and not wide set. Smaller Farmalls like the "A" were meant for cultivating and thus had the wide front tires. As a child and teen my family truck-farmed with my grandparents and they had two H's and a Super H from the late 1940s and early 1950s which I thoroughly enjoyed.

Wait... I just caught that the photographer says it's a Model 300 and it says 300 on the hood. That makes more sense and it's likely a later model in the 1960s or 1970s too.

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