Delderby wrote:
Again - I agree with much of what you say - as I said, when I have a mind to I do process my RAWs - and enjoy it and sometimes feel smug with the results. I also enjoy doing the same with JPGs. However, for me at least, there is no substitute for being able to set the camera according to the actual light experienced on the day. That is the only thing that is for real - and I believe can be better captured in a JPG. Thanks for an interesting conversation.
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Sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying. Whether shooting jpg or raw one must get the exposure correct, i.e., "set the camera according to the actual light experienced on the day." That's principle #1 for all photography. In other words, setting a proper exposure is a universal requirement and irrelevant to a conversation about raw and jpg. (With the exception that raw post-processing is much more forgiving than for jpgs and makes some reasonable exposure error correction possible)
What, I think, you are overlooking is that your camera allows for hundreds (thousands?) of combinations and permutations of picture mode, white balance, d-range, sharpening, saturation, and on and on when capturing jpgs. When you shoot jpg whatever combination of those you have chosen in the camera's menu are baked into the jpg image and all other possible combinations are eliminated forever.
Every dslr captures ONLY raw images. The choice is whether to apply all of the settings you have selected in the camera's menu to that image (post-process it in the camera) and then save it to jpg format on your sd card - or keep the unprocessed raw images and process them yourself until you "get it right". Post-processing raw images lets you make all of the same adjustments (camera settings) you did in-camera but also lets you change your mind and use different adjustments (camera settings) along with modifying about a zillion other things you can't adjust/correct in camera.
You ARE shooting raw but choosing to do the post-processing in the camera and save only the processed jpg. The fly in the ointment is that the camera has no idea of what you are trying to capture and creates an image based upon a mathematical formula - a statistical average - not what you think the image should be. Think that's not true? Get two pieces of paper - one black and one white. Separately make a single picture of each piece (one for the black and one for the white), fill the frame with the paper and, using the camera's metering system, take a photo of each according to what the camera tells you is a proper exposure (manual mode/exposure or any auto-exposure mode - it doesn't matter). Voila' -- both images are grey. The camera's metering is trying to average out the exposure of the entire frame to 18% grey overall -- the white gets under-exposed and the black gets over-exposed. If you put the two pieces of paper side-by-side and repeat the test, it'll come out with a more proper exposure - half-black and half-white equals, you guessed it - 18% grey. That's the whole issue with taking photos of dark subjects in snow, on bright sandy beaches, against bright skies, and so on. Again, the camera has absolutely no awareness of what you are photographing.
When shooting jpg do you routinely change those internal settings (not just the exposure) to fit every shooting situation in order to "get it right"? If you get all of these things set to, say, capture the sunset at the beach (all of those internal camera settings/options) and then turn to take a picture in the opposite direction don't you have to change all of them again? Then the sun sets a little more and you change them again? Once again, I'm not talking about the exposure triangle but about ALL of the internal jpg modification controls inside the camera.
My suspicion is that a great number of "get it right in the camera" folks are thinking only of getting the basic exposure correct and not about the myriad of other camera settings that affect the image and, thus, decisions the camera is making for them. That's why they all keep the green Auto mode available. Another suspicion is that many of these folks, while they have a speedlight, do not own any sort of flash or light modifiers, e.g., umbrellas, softboxes, diffusers, reflectors, and so on. That said, if you're shooting snapshots then raw probably can't help you. But, if you're MAKING photographs then you're probably shooting raw.